Day without Immigrants?

Skynut

shack wrote:

My favorite Mexican restaurant (so much so that I frequent it at least once a week and have for quite some time) was closed today. I made it a point to visit another Mexican restaurant down the street to have lunch today and to thank the owner for being open. I will visit the closed restaurant ONE more time to let the owner that I too can boycott/protest and his restaurant is the target of MY protest.

Good for you.

My wife and I are planning our vacation for this summer. We were going to go to Disneyland and a few places down south. We were also going to take the kids to Mexico because they have never beenout of the country.
Now we are seriously thinking about going to Washington state and possibly up to Canada.

bobman1235

Sami wrote:

There is no official language in USA.

A glaring omission that should be fixed. Besides, you have to pass an English proficiency test to become a citizen - sounds like an official language to me.

As for SChris's points, I agree it needs to be easier to become a citizen legally, as a lot of people do. But you talk about how hard they work, and how they do it for a "reason" - if they work so hard, they should work harder at getting the appropriate paperwork. I don't fault them for trying to do the most for their families - if my family needed food, I'd work legally or illegally to get them taht food too. But if you're doing it illegally you have to expect repurcussions. And personally, I don't like paying for those people to work here. I'm real sorry they have a **** life in a third-world country, but that doesn't mean this country should have to pay for it.

brettw22

There is nothing wrong with them wanting to hop in someone's car and go work. The problem is when they're somehow collecting welfare or other governmental handouts when they have no legal status to do so. Granted, our own government ought to be strangled for allowing it to happen, but it's wrong for my UNITED STATES taxes to be used for NON-AMERICAN citizens.

Schris22

So will we filter out those that work hard and are trying to become legal citizens and don't know how or should we just send them all back because some are stealing our welfare, smuggling drugs, and the such.

I understand it's a tough world but so many employees around me in my day to day life in San Antonio are illegal immigrants who don't speak english. They are working hard, I don't see any lazy illegal immigrants, maybe because they are couped up somewhere, but I don't know.

Chris

Demiurge

Schris22 wrote:

So will we filter out those that work hard and are trying to become legal citizens and don't know how or should we just send them all back because some are stealing our welfare, smuggling drugs, and the such.

I understand it's a tough world but so many employees around me in my day to day life in San Antonio are illegal immigrants who don't speak english. They are working hard, I don't see any lazy illegal immigrants, maybe because they are couped up somewhere, but I don't know.

Chris

How do you know whether someone is legal or illegal by just looking at them? Nobody cares if they're working or if they're lazy. It's the strain it puts on the economy that's a lot greater than a $1.00/head of lettuce. Health Care, Education, and all of the tax losses. Illegal immigrants, working or not, cost more than they give back. I'm not at all adverse to a guest worker program, but square one needs to be the border.

When you're dealing with terrorism how on earth can you say you don't care if someone is illegal or not? You can walk across the border with a sixer of XX and a cart full of children sight unseen. There's something very wrong with that.

Sami

Skynut wrote:

Pardon my ignorance but what language are we using on this forum?

A subdialect of English. We were talking about the language of USofA, not of this forum.

Sami

BIZILL wrote:

they should

[/QUOTE]only the ones raised here in the us. god bless that fact.[/QUOTE]
Mexican version of Spanish is like the American version of English, so Mexicans do not speak Spanish, and Americans don't speak English. You want to talk English, go to England and learn how it is spoken.

Schris22

When you live around them and you can tell. Just talk to them. It's fairly obvious. I speak spanish and talk to them and they aren't afraid to say if they are illegal immigrants or not. It's not like they can prove that they are legal so there is no point. The guys around me for the most part are just hard working.

Plenty of terrorist and other such bad things are americans. 9/11 brought about the whole middle east fiasco, but I can think of columbine, anthrax, and the oklahoma city bombing were all done by American citizens...who if I recall correctly are white. When illegal drugs are coming into the country Americans are the ones buying them, maybe they need to stop. Also I'm ok with helping those that are less fortunate at the cost of a small percentage of illegal goods coming into the country.

There is no way to stop them from coming into the country, so I don't see why we are wasting our money trying. That is the problem.

Chris

Skynut

Sami wrote:

A subdialect of English. We were talking about the language of USofA, not of this forum.

So the USofA speaks a different language than the subdialect of English that we use on this forum?

Or are you trying to say that anyone not using the Queens English is using a subdialect of English?

I took years of English all through school. (not that I use the language very goodly) I was under the impression that it was English just like the title of the classes.

Sami

Skynut wrote:

When I have hired green card holders they have filled out their federal paperwork as having 9+ children so the govt. will take out the min. taxes.

Green Card holders are legal immigrants, why would they do that?

Sami

Skynut wrote:

So the USofA speaks a different language than the subdialect of English that we use on this forum?

USofA speaks many languages. There is no official language but many choose to speak some version of English.

Shizelbs

They need to finish putting in my yard before they can think about walking out of work.

bobman1235

Sami wrote:

A subdialect of English. We were talking about the language of USofA, not of this forum.

:rolleyes: Split hairs much?

Sami

bobman1235 wrote:

:rolleyes: Split hairs much?

Take things too seriously often?

Skynut

Sami wrote:

Green Card holders are legal immigrants, why would they do that?

The more dependants you have the less the govt. takes out of your check.
they are supposed to file Taxes so they can square up with the govt. apr. 15th they don't. If they did they would owe.

Skynut

Shizelbs wrote:

They need to finish putting in my yard before they can think about walking out of work.

WWWaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:)

cfrizz

LOL!:D If you ask someone from England what we Yanks speak, they say we speak American! WAAAAA!!:D

Skynut wrote:

So the USofA speaks a different language than the subdialect of English that we use on this forum?

Or are you trying to say that anyone not using the Queens English is using a subdialect of English?

I took years of English all through school. (not that I use the language very goodly) I was under the impression that it was English just like the title of the classes.

Sami

Skynut wrote:

The more dependants you have the less the govt. takes out of your check.
they are supposed to file Taxes so they can square up with the govt. apr. 15th they don't. If they did they would owe.

Yes, but anyone can do that. It doesn't matter if you're a citizen, green card holder, non-immigrant visa holders. The one having the biggest motive to do that is someone illegal using a fake SSN.

Skynut

Sami wrote:

Yes, but anyone can do that. It doesn't matter if you're a citizen, green card holder, non-immigrant visa holders. The one having the biggest motive to do that is someone illegal using a fake SSN.

Agreed.

Demiurge

Sami wrote:

Mexican version of Spanish is like the American version of English, so Mexicans do not speak Spanish, and Americans don't speak English. You want to talk English, go to England and learn how it is spoken.

Do you even know what you're talking about? English is a West Germanic language by origin, so techincally the English that the English are speaking is incorrect as well.

We're all speaking different dialects of any given language. Hardly anyone is using the true dialect of any language's origin.

So please stop propogating this silly argument, English should be a requirement, and I hope it's made one. We need to stop giving special treatment to every group of people who don't want to adapt to our culture but succeed from it. If you want to speak different languages at home more power to you, but demanding government sanctioned programs for people who refuse to learn the predominant language of our country is absurd.

Sami

Demiurge wrote:

English should be a requirement, and I hope it's made one.

It practically is, you can't become a citizen without passing a language test as someone already pointed out. Granted, it is not a very hard test to pass so it doesn't mean the person is a fluent speaker. As for the American English / Mexican Spanish comment, there was a smilie in my original comment so take it with tongue in cheek.

BIZILL

if i were to ever move to, oh, say, mexico, you'd better bet i'd learn to speak spanish.

Demiurge

Sami wrote:

It practically is, you can't become a citizen without passing a language test as someone already pointed out. Granted, it is not a very hard test to pass so it doesn't mean the person is a fluent speaker. As for the American English / Mexican Spanish comment, there was a smilie in my original comment so take it with tongue in cheek.

It's hard to do since you've made the argument like 4 or 5 times in one thread.

Sami

Demiurge wrote:

It's hard to do since you've made the argument like 4 or 5 times in one thread.

Just clarification as some didn't seem to understand...

PolkThug

bobman1235 wrote:

Danny Tse wrote:

Actually, illegal immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes to the IRS each year. And have no way of getting a tax refund or enjoy many of the benefits US citizens get from their tax dollars. This is according to the IRS themselves.

I'd love to see the report showing how that could possibly be true.

It is very true. Every year, nearly 9 million people pay their taxes using the wrong Social Security number. The name used on W-2 tax forms used by employers doesn't match the name on file with the Social Security Administration. There can be many reasons why -- a data entry typo by a human resources department, a woman changes her name after marriage and forgets to report it, or a man uses someone else's SSN to get a job.

Social Security calls this a "no-match" situation. When this happens, the Social Security Administration collects the money, but the wage credits go into limbo. They don't end up on anyone's annual Social Security statement, they end up in something called the Earnings Suspense File. Since 1984, when the Social Security card employment verification requirement kicked in, nearly $500 billion in wages has ended up in that file.

BIZILL

PolkThug wrote:

It is very true. Every year, nearly 9 million people pay their taxes using the wrong Social Security number. The name used on W-2 tax forms used by employers doesn't match the name on file with the Social Security Administration. There can be many reasons why -- a data entry typo by a human resources department, a woman changes her name after marriage and forgets to report it, or a man uses someone else's SSN to get a job.

Social Security calls this a "no-match" situation. When this happens, the Social Security Administration collects the money, but the wage credits go into limbo. They don't end up on anyone's annual Social Security statement, they end up in something called the Earnings Suspense File. Since 1984, when the Social Security card employment verification requirement kicked in, nearly $500 billion in wages has ended up in that file.

take said monies and apply them toward ins and border patrol.

shack

Sami wrote:

Just clarification as some didn't seem to understand...

Maybe if you wrote it in spanish, more would understand........

unc2701

I volunteered for years in a church outreach for migrant workers and I can say two things: 1)Illegal immigration is a big problem in this country, and we seriously need to do something about it and 2)Any argument about illegals "not contributing" or leaching of the system is utter ****.

Most illegals pay taxes. The most significant taxes for any low income household is SALES TAXES! Doesn't matter if you're legal, illegal or a US citizen. You don't pay **** in federal income taxes if you're at minimum wage. So they contribute as least as much as my broke **** burger king workin' wasta life cousin. Furthermore, they typically have some wages withheld for Federal or SS. They will never see this money ever again, nor will they get welfare, etc. My waste of life cousin gets a refund and his **** kid gets all kinds of govt support. I'll try to find the IRS report, but from a tax standpoint, illegal imigrants are far more useful than your typical poverty-level citizen.

So, the illegals are putting money into our country to pay for my poor white trash cousin to keep on having more kids on welfare. The true issue is the problem that they are willing to work at a much lower wage than any american. At which point it becomes a question of supply & demand; amercian businesses get hooked on the cheap wages and get into a loop where they can only afford to hire illegals. On the one hand, it's a **** job that no american would take, but the reason why it's such a **** job is that the illegals were willing take it a let it be so crappy. If all the illegals disappeared overnight, would americans show up in the morning to take the jobs?

Anyhow, deporting a couple million people isn't going to work, so let's stop posturing like its gonna happen.

Sami

BIZILL wrote:

if i were to ever move to, oh, say, mexico, you'd better bet i'd learn to speak spanish.

Yes you might but in the beginning you'd be trying to deal with locals in English if your Spanish wouldn't be good enough. And are they thinking when you struggle that at least he should try to make the effort to learn their language...

Illegals, the younger are learning the language but the older are struggling and that is natural. Some are trying, some are not as they do manage with Spanish. Can't really blame them. How many of you are fluent in more than one language? How many of those learned it at older age?

BIZILL

we won't deport the millions, but we can thwart the continual onslaught of new ones.