Day without Immigrants?

pmckeealaska

A day without criminals......sounds like a good idea to me. Round em up and ship em home.............yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!

Skynut

I wonder what would happen if all our prison inmates rallied for their freedom?
After all the only thing they did was break the law right?
It is pretty rediculous that we should listen to law breakers who want the laws to change in their favor.

F1nut

Day without Immigrants?

Good, just make it permanent!

keith allen

F1nut wrote:

Good, just make it permanent!

+1 Nut!

brettw22

I don't know why INS isn't taking this as a perfect opportunity to shovel them all into Shipping Containers via Snowplows or something of the sort and ship them all back home. What better opportunity are we going to have?

Demiurge

Getting all the water out does no good unless you stop the leak.

BIZILL

brettw22 wrote:

I don't know why INS isn't taking this as a perfect opportunity to shovel them all into Shipping Containers via Snowplows or something of the sort and ship them all back home. What better opportunity are we going to have?

RIOTS TO ENSUE?

brettw22

I'm sure there are plenty of expendables that would be willing to die for the cause.....lol.

Sami

The day without immigrants? This country would be pretty empty seeing how little native americans there are left.

-justin-

Stop kidding yourselves, we're all immigrants.

~JB

Demiurge

Legal.

Skynut

Demiurge wrote:

Legal.

There is the magic word.


I was reading that the illegals make up 5% of the workforce.
Don't we have a 5% unemployment figure?
Coincidence? I think not.

Sami

Skynut wrote:

There is the magic word.


I was reading that the illegals make up 5% of the workforce.
Don't we have a 5% unemployment figure?
Coincidence? I think not.

Ask yourself how many of those 5% are not willing to work and that's why they are unemployed? I know plenty of legals who are too lazy to work.

first capital

Have to give some of them credit for what they are willing to go through to get into the country to try and earn a living.

Skynut

I honestly believe that the government uses the immigrants to help hold our wages down.
Lower wages help keep America competitive with other devoloping countries however, it sucks for us workers.

And yes there are many legal, able body people capable of working that just choose not to.

PhantomOG

first capital wrote:

Have to give some of them credit for what they are willing to go through to get into the country to try and earn a living.

I give credit to people like my wife and her parents who came here legally, (waiting years, sponsorship, etc.) learned to speak English, and pay taxes and contribute to society.

Amnesty to illegal immigrants from Mexico is a slap in the face to the thousands of people who have worked hard *AND* obeyed the immigration laws in place.

brettw22

Exactly Phantom.......It should be a slap in the face to every legal immigrant here in the US if our country caves into people who have no regard for the rules in which this game is played. And no, a rule change that gives them free reign with no responsibility to this country is not right.

If they want to work in this country doing the jobs that the legal americans don't want to, then tax them slightly less, but to have no way for them to be taxed is assinine. You work here, you pay here.

Skynut

PhantomOG wrote:

I give credit to people like my wife and her parents who came here legally, (waiting years, sponsorship, etc.) learned to speak English, and pay taxes and contribute to society.

Amnesty to illegal immigrants from Mexico is a slap in the face to the thousands of people who have worked hard *AND* obeyed the immigration laws in place.

And another good point.

Immigrants here LEGALLY are way different than those who go around the process.
As was mentioned earlier we are all immigrants. (even the indians were not here at one point.)

Demiurge

They need to make it harder to get in illegally. I think that should be square one.
Then they need to make it easier to get in legally. Right now it's a complete **** of a process. Just ask anyone who has needed to do it.

While it would be nice to say "ship them all out," it's just never going to happen. Nobody is going to attach their name to that, unfortunately. We're just not in the business of taking parents away from their children or sending kids back to 'opressive' nations....well, unless you're that Gonzales kid from Cuba. So might as well start with stoping more from coming in first and then deal with what's already here.

Skynut

brettw22 wrote:

Exactly Phantom.......It should be a slap in the face to every legal immigrant here in the US if our country caves into people who have no regard for the rules in which this game is played. And no, a rule change that gives them free reign with no responsibility to this country is not right.

If they want to work in this country doing the jobs that the legal americans don't want to, then tax them slightly less, but to have no way for them to be taxed is assinine. You work here, you pay here.

All good points

They need to pay taxes. They need to go through the channels needed to be here legally.
If they are not here legally they should not be allowed access to any of our social programs.

And it WOULD be a slap for all those who are patiently waiting to do it legally.

Danny Tse

brettw22 wrote:

If they want to work in this country doing the jobs that the legal americans don't want to, then tax them slightly less, but to have no way for them to be taxed is assinine. You work here, you pay here.

Actually, illegal immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes to the IRS each year. And have no way of getting a tax refund or enjoy many of the benefits US citizens get from their tax dollars. This is according to the IRS themselves.

I am not on the side of the illegal immigrants though. My family came to this country legally and each of us has to work our ways up. My mom also tried sponsoring her 2 sisters to come to the US....thousands of dollars in legal fees and over a decade of waiting. Yes, it would be a slap to all those legal immigrants who played by the rules if the government "magically" legalize those who are here illegally.

Sami

I came here legally with a work visa (and that isn't an easy task), then got permanent residency a few years ago (about 3-4 year process). Still have 3 years to naturalization which I think I will do since Finland now allows dual citizenship. My girlfriend, who is Mexican, just got her citizenship last month and she's been here for almost ten years (legally all the time of course). If we ever have kids, they'll have three citizenships.

Getting in legally isn't that hard but you need to have a specialized skillset in order to do so (which I guess makes it hard).

Skynut

Another HUGE issue is our language.

If anyone really WANTS to be here they should make an attempt to learn our language.

I live in a rural area that is mostly Mexican and I am amazed how many can not speak english.

My town has a few vendors that drive through selling bread, tomalles, ice cream, and a variety of other foods from their culture. I buy some every now and then but to do so I have to point at an item and I really don't know what I am getting.

Menudo stuffed pastry anyone?

bobman1235

Danny Tse wrote:

Actually, illegal immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes to the IRS each year. And have no way of getting a tax refund or enjoy many of the benefits US citizens get from their tax dollars. This is according to the IRS themselves.

I'd love to see the report showing how that could possibly be true. While I don't doubt that there are tax revenues from illegals in some cases, they certainly COST more than they PRODUCE as far as taxes go. And either way, just because there are BENEFITS to soemthing doesn't mean it's okay to break the law. I love how many people say that "without illegal workers prices would skyrocket" and other such things. That is probably true, but that doesn't mean you just TURN your cheek.

This whole thing is just amazing to me. You have non-citezens using Constitutional rights of assembly to protest American policy. They have no Constitutional rights, why don't we just mow them all down? It's warm, I'm pretty sure the snowplows aren't in use.

I'd love to see Americans mimic this "boycott" by not going on vacation to Mexico anymore. They think their economy can't get any worse? HA!

madmax

I have many friends working hard to stay here legally. In the end they are the ones who will appreciate citizenship and lead an honest life. Those climbing through a fence and hiding are not doing it correctly or legally and should be shown the way home right away. In my opinion they are welcome once they follow the proper steps.
madmax

Schris22

I guess it seems a lot of people here have a problem against these illegal immigrants. I guess living in Texas especially San Antonio and Houston and being surrounded by them all day has changed my perspetive.

These guys are moving in to the USA for a reason. Yes they work for a lot less and lots are sitting out just a block from a local fry's, just waiting to get work. I see plenty of people pick them up and just let them do jobs such as carpentry or lawns or what not.

Just as Sami said, the process requires a specialized skillset. I also agree with the statement about the unemployed rate. I think there are plenty of people that are too lazy to work, but on the other hand the rate is calculated by those who don't work at ALL, and are able to work as well as ARE LOOKING for work. These guys might be looking for work but not "actively" look for work. But this figure also excludes the growing work at home people and there are so many inaccuracies with the rate that inflate and deflate it.


So many of us are so privliged to be here just because we were born here and since these guys were born across the border they have so much more of a harder life. A lot of people I know came here and worked hard to become citizens (my family included), so I know it's a hard process.


I guess in the end: I have no problem with illegal immigrants. I just wish they would have more programs to assist these guys to becoming legal citizens despite coming in illegally.

Chris

Chris

Sami

Skynut wrote:

Another HUGE issue is our language.

There is no official language in USA. Besides, Americans don't speak English just like Mexicans don't speak Spanish.

Skynut

Taxes are paid when purchases are made.
Illegals can not get tax paying jobs legally. the only taxes they are paying are sales tax.

When I have hired green card holders they have filled out their federal paperwork as having 9+ children so the govt. will take out the min. taxes.

shack

My favorite Mexican restaurant (so much so that I frequent it at least once a week and have for quite some time) was closed today. I made it a point to visit another Mexican restaurant down the street to have lunch today and to thank the owner for being open. I will visit the closed restaurant ONE more time to let the owner that I too can boycott/protest and his restaurant is the target of MY protest.

Skynut

Sami wrote:

There is no official language in USA. Besides, Americans don't speak English just like Mexicans don't speak Spanish.

Pardon my ignorance but what language are we using on this forum?

BIZILL

Sami wrote:

There is no official language in USA

official or unofficial, it's called english.

Sami wrote:

Americans don't speak English

they should

Sami wrote:

Mexicans don't speak Spanish.

only the ones raised here in the us. god bless that fact.