The United Soviet Socialist Republic of St Louis Bans Car Audio

audiobliss

aaharvel wrote:

And even if it could, I still wouldn't do it.

We have just as good an argument as you have. We wouldn't do it, either and yet it seems that our right to have this equipment is being taken away.

SportsFan

If city noise ordinances were enforced....and then the word got out by mouth (through enough people being ticketed)....and there wouldn't even be a need for a city councilman to try to push this. Besides, ticketing "excessively loud car stereos" might bring in the additional revenue so that local LEO's could write a few less speeding tickets each month

But there ARE avenues such as "city noise ordinances" for politician's to explore. But not only denying the public access to a product, but also directly affecting manufacturer's sales isn't the right way to go.

audiobliss

SportsFan wrote:

But there ARE avenues such as "city noise ordinances" for politician's to explore. But not only denying the public access to a product, but also directly affecting manufacturer's sales isn't the right way to go.

Amen. It's even stepping out of their jurisdiction. Wanna reduce noise on the street? Great, I'd like that. Start enforcing the laws you've already made. Don't infringe on our rights!

PBD - Nice letter!

MacLeod

brettw22 wrote:

Ironic........amazing how things look when it's actually something that YOU care about.

Huh? What are you talking about?

audiobliss

Probably referring to the bbm incident, I would guess. But, of course, this is a private forum...big difference...

beardog03

as long as you don`t go around boomin the neighborhood, who`s gonna know..!!

No really, I think it is going a little too far as to Ban the install of big amps , and subs..

If a person repeatedly get`s in trouble for blastin the sound, the courts could order the removal of the gear as punishment, after say , someone that is always being pulled over for it, but just like small children, some poeple need to learn how to play right , or thier toy`s get takin away and they get a time out..!!

MacLeod

audiobliss wrote:

Probably referring to the bbm incident, I would guess. But, of course, this is a private forum...big difference...

Somebody wanted to outlaw Hump Back Mountain? I dunno, I could think of a lot worse movies that deserve to be illegal! Crash, Finding Neverland....

Dennis Gardner

beardog03 wrote:

as long as you don`t go around boomin the neighborhood, who`s gonna know..!!

No really, I think it is going a little too far as to Ban the install of big amps , and subs..

If a person repeatedly get`s in trouble for blastin the sound, the courts could order the removal of the gear as punishment, after say , someone that is always being pulled over for it, but just like small children, some poeple need to learn how to play right , or thier toy`s get takin away and they get a time out..!!

Way too much logic there, Robert..........you could never be an alderman.

Dennis Gardner

I think Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton need to get with the ACLU on this bill, since St. Louis is a city of 80% African Americans, this is blatant racism from the white guy that hates Hip Hop.

MacLeod

One thing I just realized, dont a lot of new cars come with 12+ speaker systems?? I know one of the Toyotas have a 12 speaker system.

aaharvel

exalted512 wrote:

first off....aaharvelwtf---youre a complete idiot. Your opinion sickens me. Honestly.

If you think this law is anything reasonable, youre an idiot.

I just spent 1000 bucks on **** sound deadening to make sure my truck is quiet on the outside...even with my 3000 watt sub amp and 450w amp for my highs.

THE only REASONABLE solutiont to stop this is decibel meters. Plain and simple. AND IT SHOULDNT STOP WITH CAR AUDIO. It should be every **** car on the road. My house has been rattled more times by harley's than it has ppl driving by with loud audio systems.

Trust me, I'm the first guy to say rip out all the equipment is some guys car when youre three blocks away and can hear "Who? Mike Jones...bummmmpppppppp" Thats stupid, but to outlaw a single 15 or more than 2 10s is rediculous. I know guys that compete in SQ with Focal 15s.

This hits very close to home for me even though I'm a few thousand miles away. Not only is this **** messing with my passion, he's messing with my money, and my life. I work at a car audio shop and this would kick my **** right out of college until I could find another job that pays as good as this one. I average around 11 bucks an hour with comission. Unless the state wants to give me grants, if this was happening in my town I would be at his office everyday and every city council meeting and make damn sure it didnt go through...

this pisses me off
-Cody

Grow up Cody. Don't like my opinion? Move to another country.

beardog03

I kinda agree with Cody though..
My bike (Harley) will rattle your windows, and make your ears bleed..!!

But I do know how to, and do, keep it on the quiet side in the neighborhood..

sometimes it`s too loud for me...
and we do get tickets and the bike can be impounded for he pipes being too loud...

But ooooohh the sweet sound of raw HD power...get`s those short hairs on your neck standing tall..!!

although in my old age, the pipes are getting alittle loud, just don`t have the cash for new pipes...I spend it all on audio..!!!

exalted512

aaharvel wrote:

Grow up Cody. Don't like my opinion? Move to another country.

sounds like im a lot my grown up than you are. You are the one who thinks this proposal should actually be passed. YOU dont get the big picture. YOU are not thinking about the people that are actually HURT financially about this. A lot of people that own/work in audio shops actually have family's to raise and rent to pay for. What happens to those guys?

I stick by my original opinion, youre an idiot. And thats the great thing about this country, I can say your opinion blows my left nut and I dont have to "move to another country"

Do ppl do not think before they type?
-Cody

MacLeod

Looks like this is making the rounds. Out of the 4 forums I frequent its on all of them. Hopefully it makes it to all of them and people start to raise hell!

beardog03

I still think it`s a violation of rights to take something away from everybody because of the ignorance of a few..

just my .o2

MacLeod

I dont have a problem with stiff penalties for those that break the law BUT to punish the rest of us that are obeying the law and are considerate of others is ridiculous and its where I have the problem.

beardog03

yep...me too....

aaharvel

The big picture here is that unless people think just like Cody, they're complete idiots. Fine. I'll take my chances. On that note, why don't we ALL turn into brain-dead Cody-clones, and turn ourselves into the 4th Reich while we're at it.

We could start a book barbeque on any subject Cody opposes. Afterall, to not do so would make you a complete idiot. God forbid human beings have opposing views.

chump

beardog03

okay, I`m out..

Have a nice day fellas...

PoweredByDodge

I'll **** Kill You ****, I'll Kill All Your Dogs! Don't **** With The Audio Universe... Where's Swerve When I Need Him...

I'm Gonna Send Swerve Down There, Once I'm King Of America, And Implant Him As Lord Guardian Supreme Of St. Louis, Where He'll Sell Everything That Circuit City Sells To Every Turkey Within 100 Miles... And He Shall Command That Flumpy Hair Over There Puts On The Red Polo Shirt And Sells Audio At Really Cheap Prices... But Still High Enough That Swerve Makes Him Comission.

And Then All The Monkeys Will Rejoice, And We Will Find God Upon A Hillside, Chillin, With A Molson And Some Newport Lights.

God's Got A Mortgage **** -- Pay Up!

MacLeod

aaharvel wrote:

The big picture here is that unless people think just like Cody, they're complete idiots. Fine. I'll take my chances. On that note, why don't we ALL turn into brain-dead Cody-clones, and turn ourselves into the 4th Reich while we're at it.

We could start a book barbeque on any subject Cody opposes. Afterall, to not do so would make you a complete idiot. God forbid human beings have opposing views.

chump

Hey, youre the only one here in favor of outlawing behavior you dont like. I guess that makes you the ****.

And I love how you come off with this "I never call anyone names" crap (which is what you posted 6 minutes before you edited you last post) and then run back and edit out your posts where you say "anyone that listens to car audio loud either cant get laid or has a small dick". Its 5:40 now, go back and look at all the posts you edited at 5:30!

If youre gonna talk trash son, have the balls to leave it up there and stand by it!

Dennis Gardner

exalted512 wrote:

YOU dont get the big picture. YOU are not thinking about the people that are actually HURT financially about this. A lot of people that own/work in audio shops actually have family's to raise and rent to pay for. What happens to those guys?
-Cody

Common Cody, that isn't a big picture view, that is a narrow focus.......

It is really about taking away freedoms from thousands of law abiding citizens who know how to responsibly handle the power at their disposal.

This would be the same as taking away all cars that produce over 30 hp just because a few guys are doin' burnouts when leaving the local Sonic Drive-in.

Stupid proposal, that may be just ridiculous enough to put the alderman's family in jeopardy. He means well, but doesn't know how to use his power.

exalted512

aaharvel wrote:

The big picture here is that unless people think just like Cody, they're complete idiots. Fine. I'll take my chances. On that note, why don't we ALL turn into brain-dead Cody-clones, and turn ourselves into the 4th Reich while we're at it.

We could start a book barbeque on any subject Cody opposes. Afterall, to not do so would make you a complete idiot. God forbid human beings have opposing views.

chump

While were at it, if youre caught speeding you should just get shot on sight. I mean sure theres a bunch of people against it, but that doesnt mean its a bad idea by any means :rolleyes:

To hell with all the stock systems too. I mean some of the infinity systems in dodges have amps in all 4 doors. There are cars with 12 speaker systems.


God forbid all the buses that have more than 10 speakers. Looks like when youre on your morning commute to work youre going to be late because a cop is going to pull your **** over because your bus has more than 10 speakers.

Lets ban jet planes too. They make to much noise. Trains? We dont need em, they make too much noises.

You can have differing opinions, I dont care. But when you support something as ludacris as this and say "ppl with more than 2 12s have a little dick", youre a **** ****, no if's, and's, or buts
-Cody

MacLeod

Dennis Gardner wrote:

Common Cody, that isn't a big picture view, that is a narrow focus.......

It is really about taking away freedoms from thousands of law abiding citizens who know how to responsibly handle the power at their disposal.

This would be the same as taking away all cars that produce over 30 hp just because a few guys are doin' burnouts when leaving the local Sonic Drive-in.

Stupid proposal, that may be just ridiculous enough to put the alderman's family in jeopardy. He means well, but doesn't know how to use his power.

Bingo!!

aaharvel

MacLeod wrote:

And I love how you come off with this "I never call anyone names" crap (which is what you posted 6 minutes before you edited you last post) and then run back and edit out your posts where you say "anyone that listens to car audio loud either cant get laid or has a small dick". Its 5:40 now, go back and look at all the posts you edited at 5:30!

i did so because it was a rude statement, and it deserved to be edited.
And I'm perfectly aware that this is a car-audio forum, but something's got to be done about the noise pollution from these kinds of systems. Sorry to break the news to you.

MacLeod

God, this thread is SOOOOOOO gonna get locked.

exalted512

I put this up on soundillusions, i get an email an hour later titled "Some happenings recently on CarStereos.Org - January Update"

In it they had this to say(along with some other points of interest):
And a very recent discussion brought forth a rather unnerving piece of legislation against our industry and hobby in general. No longer are the members of government attempting to just create rules against those creating noise in residental areas, this recent tidbit includes wording that would regulate what they allow you to have in your vehicle! Read on for more information, and please do your part and respectfully tell them what you think about this.
http://forum.carstereos.org/t58635-damn-near-everyone-who-reads-this-might-be-breaking-the-law-if-this-passes.html

I'm most certainly trying to spread this all over the internet to get as much support as possible.
-Cody

aaharvel

i'm not saying it's a perfect law, far from it. I made that point earlier. If the ordinance is not being enforced, then what the hell? I mean seriously. Do you guys have any suggestions?

This so called ruling to me seems more like a last ditch effort to forcefeed some manners into the people who do this kind of behavior. Sorry if the ripples affect peoples families- but something has to be done.

MacLeod

aaharvel wrote:

i did so because it was a rude statement, and it deserved to be edited.
And I'm perfectly aware that this is a car-audio forum, but something's got to be done about the noise pollution from these kinds of systems. Sorry to break the news to you.

Well then you start enforcing the CURRENT noise ordinances that exist now and punish the ones that are actually violating it not the people that are obeying the law and minding their own business!

Its the same crap with the gun laws. They dont enforce the gun laws we have now so we need to just outlaw them.

MacLeod

aaharvel wrote:

i'm not saying it's a perfect law, far from it. I made that point earlier. If the ordinance is not being enforced, then what the hell? I mean seriously. Do you guys have any suggestions?

This so called ruling to me seems more like a last ditch effort to forcefeed some manners into the people who do this kind of behavior. Sorry if the ripples affect peoples families- but something has to be done.

Yeah, the suggestion is ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS!

Some moron is cranking out 150 db's driving down the road, the cops should bust his **** and slap him with a $500 fine not bust the 3 guys sitting next to him with systems that were listening at normal levels.

People wont obey laws if theyre not enforced.