Brokeback Mountain

dholmes

I live in GOOD OLE BOY country, all the cowboys here are really PISSED about the movie. I would like to see the movie, I liked the movie Philly. I dont agree with that life but if thats the side of the fence your on go for it!!

Willow

BIZILL wrote:

another reason (just for giggles), manufacturers of those little plastic bride and groom decorations for wedding cakes will have to create new molds of two guys holding hands and two gals doing the same.

If you can get past your insecurities, you could start MANufacturing the same sex plastic cake toppers and make lots of $$

brettw22

Jstas wrote:

Government knows no race, religion or sexual orientation. Taxes don't just pay for schools, family programs and such. They pay for law enforcement, emergency services, sanitation, waste removal, sewer service, road maintenance, etc,...Taxes even pay for the people to sit in the seats and make the decisions that run the towns, counties, cities, state and federal government. To say that taxes from homosexuals pay for everything that homosexuals do not get is obtuse.

I never claimed that my taxes didn't go for roads, and the above mentioned things. I simply pointed out that I am in part supporting families that have children going to school (since that's been the primary arguement with marriage/kids) yet with us doing everything tax-wise as anyone else, we're denied basic priveledges in this country.

For the record, I'm not in a relationship and I'm not trying to go and get married. I'm an advocate for at least being given the option to do so if I choose to. Freedom is about having choices, but apparently only if you're straight.

The type of person that would get 'pissed' about this movie is the type of person that hasn't evolved IMO. Leave it to the true freaks to get all bent because they're afraid that they'll all of a sudden be assumed to be ****......pathetic.

Lastly, I totally disagree that this thread is a bad thing. Discussing stuff is healthy, even for the pigheaded ones.......

Skynut

brettw22 wrote:

I never claimed that my taxes didn't go for roads, and the above mentioned things. I simply pointed out that I am in part supporting families that have children going to school (since that's been the primary arguement with marriage/kids) yet with us doing everything tax-wise as anyone else, we're denied basic priveledges in this country.


Lastly, I totally disagree that this thread is a bad thing. Discussing stuff is healthy, even for the pigheaded ones.......

I used to think the same way here. I had to pay taxes in my neighborhood for schools before I had children. (I married into my family, I only have step children.) And at first it bothered me because I knew I did not want to have children and I did not want to pay for someone else children.
Then I realized I also did not want a generation of ignorant children growing up and eventually running this country.

I agree that this thread is healthy for discussion because I believe that the homosexuals are not going to "go away" so eventually this subject will have to get closure.

Many of you would not realize that I am only trying to put my view point out here, like brettw22, so both sides are represented.
I do this because I realize their movement will not stop and communication is helping desensitize me.

Just like the movie is meant to do, but conversation is as far as I am willing to go right now. Conversation is free and not creating a profit.

I have actually had conversations like this with homosexuals in person.
I do not live under a log, I have had the opportunity to meet and have bantering conversations on several occasions with **** people and each time I come away with a better understanding of what is going on.

I feel that as long as they keep recruiting (since they can not reproduce) the next generation will have it better than the last and eventually they will get all the rights they want. (and probably more)

Willow

Skynut wrote:

I feel that as long as they keep recruiting (since they can not reproduce) the next generation will have it better than the last and eventually they will get all the rights they want. (and probably more)

What like being **** is a cult, or a government organization?
Recruit??? WTF is that. I am offended by that comment and I am not ****.

Demiurge

So...I really haven't heard a rebuttal to the comment of where the line is to be drawn. On one hand we're saying this isn't a social issue buried in morality, but that it's simply a human rights issue. On the other hand you're saying that for moral reasons all other forms of sex don't fall in the same category as Heterosexuality and Homosexuality. Rather than just call it absurd and stupid, please argue it. Those other forms of sex are meant to be shocking to you. Society used to be shocked by Homosexuality too, some still are. Why is one thing okay and the other not if you're saying morality holds no water in this argument? I'm arguing that morality is a huge part of the issue. I think a line does need to be drawn.

My aunt on my mom's side is a ****. Very nice woman, but I don't support this cause of allowing marriage. Hell, her and her special friend as it was always dubbed, have lived together for years. I don't support it personally, but it's not something I'm going to fight against either. Marriage? I'll fight that battle. Her occupation is a social worker. Amazing, eh? I have problems with that too. I think you're normalizing that behavior in kids if it's ever brought up. You don't think that all this bi-sexuality crap going around has anything to do with this? Especially on the female side of the equation?

I don't know, I just wonder why having this view is somehow equal to punching someone in the face as it was conveyed in the begining of this discussion.

Skynut

Willow wrote:

What like being **** is a cult, or a government organization?
Recruit??? WTF is that. I am offended by that comment and I am not ****.

Inserting foot in mouth here I am sure.( I knew I should have steered clear of this topic)
When I was younger there were not nearly as many **** as now but since 10% of the population now claims to be **** (as per danger boys post) it is apparent they are growing in ranks. (at least to me)
When I went to school I never heard of a kid claiming to be ****. No where.
Now I see on the news kids in high school and junior high claiming they are ****.
Since it has been determined that **** can not re-populate they have to be comming from somewhere.
I know that in some instances a person is just genetically drawn to the same sex but in many instances they are not. They go there because it is exciting and taboo. These are the recruits. They are not there by force they chose to go there.
Why did they choose to go there?
Because they were desensitized to the subject matter.
How did they get desensitized?
Propaganda and movies like this.
Recuitment material intentional or not.

BIZILL

gregure, glad you semi-cleared that up. as well i am glad you are not intimidated. had you been i may have felt bad.

BIZILL

Skynut wrote:

they have to be comming from somewhere.

:eek:

BIZILL

by the end of time, nothing will be taboo. everything will be allowed. we will have become de-sensitized to EVERYTHING. i fear for the future. homosexuality i don't care for, but don't hate. but the marriage dealie is opening the floodgates to more and more. oh well.

Demiurge

So you didn’t hear too many kids admitting they were ****. Compare today’s typical repercussions in an average school in modern times versus when you grew up. In the majority of schools, the student body would shrug, a few snickers made and life would go on. Even as recent as a decade or so ago, that kid (be it boy or girl) would have to endure harassment from not just the students but also from staff. Never-mind the likelihood of being socially outcast, spit on, beaten, and so on and so forth.

You're right on there.

No buddy – there is no recruiting going on. All you’re seeing is people are now beginning to realize, for the first time in this countries history, that they have room to be honest about their preference.

This is where I think you stray. The issue isn't black and white. I don't think any form of abuse should be levied for someone based on their sexual preference. We still have overweight kids being ripped on for being overweight, the not perfect looking kid getting ripped on for his looks. Kids are going to be kids and say things that are wrong. They should be punished accordingly. My concern is not that we're becoming more tolerant of someone's sexual preference, but that we're all but making it the new straight. You can say that's wrong, but i've seen it in action. In many ways we're promoting homosexuality to the point of it being something that's almost encouraged in certain social circles. How long has it been since you've been to college or hung out in a college town for a night. I don't think it would be too far out there to say there has all but been a **** fad going on. The demasculinization of men in society, etc. So recruitment? No, I do think that's the wrong word to use. I don't think people are out to convert. I just think it's being not only overly normalized, but that it's being promoted.

But I just have to wonder why people are so focused or give a damned where someone wants to put their fingers or *$#!!. I mean, come on.

Who said they did give a damn? People seem most concerned about their children and what is going on with the world around them. I asked it before, and i'll ask it again, where is it that you draw the line? When is it too far? There is probably a point where you do start giving a damn.

Skynut

On a lighter note.

No one has mentioned that this movie has allready been done.

South Park film festival had a movie about **** cowboys eating pudding.

I will bet there will be pudding in this movie.:D

VR3

"****" is not a fad in the bible belt. It probally never will be.

danger boy

Jstas wrote:

Ya know, this is pathetic.

People's choices, decisions and lifestyle are not up for commentary or judgement by anyone else. They fall under the premise of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Government knows no race, religion or sexual orientation. Taxes don't just pay for schools, family programs and such. They pay for law enforcement, emergency services, sanitation, waste removal, sewer service, road maintenance, etc,...Taxes even pay for the people to sit in the seats and make the decisions that run the towns, counties, cities, state and federal government. To say that taxes from homosexuals pay for everything that homosexuals do not get is obtuse. Government knows no race, creed or lifestyle. Government is perfectly willing to screw everyone over equally.

This whole thread has been **** from the start.

As far as the movie goes, someone at work had a bootleg copy. I was watching a bit of it, got about a half hour through it and turned it off. It's horrendous. They hype is just because this movie is gonna do exactly what it did to all of you...make you squirm and fight about it. I don't normally turn off a movie or walk out of it. I will give any pile of crap it's just due but this was just...just...I can't find the words. Horrendous. It's blatantly trying to cause a stir and that seems to be the focus of the movie and not the story. IMO, that makes it a bad movie. It has an agenda and forces it down your throat, whether you're a homosexual or not.

John (Jstas) no this thread has not been **** from the start. How in the name of GOD can a thread be ****? This is a debate/discussion... but it's not ****.

This will cause debate for sure.. but here goes anyways. Children born to straight parents (mine were straight)... sometimes produce children that turn out ****. No one knows why exactly. Often times children can be identified as being **** by the time they reach the age of three. Psychologists have proof that children that young can later in life turn out to be **** adults.

RECRUITING. **** do not recruit!! That's absurd to even think that a **** person would try and "recruit" as you call it.. a straight person. I laugh out loud every time i hear this lame defense.

What straight person would want to be **** for the rest of their lives? I'm not saying i'm mad or upset that I turned out ****.. not at all. If I had the choice.. which I DID NOT. I would not change who I am even for one day, one hour, or one second. I have learned to be a good person.. sometimes I fail just like everyone else does. I certainly have my faults.. but I was not recruited by any **** person, ever. I was born ****, and i'll be **** till i take my last breath.

skynut, 10% of the population is the same today as it's always been. It's just the best guesstimate from the now outdated Kinsey study study done in the 40's and 50's. But the numbers have not changed over the years. Still approx 10% of the population is ****.

* Thanks faster100. Have a great holiday season.

danger boy

Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote:

"****" is not a fad in the bible belt. It probally never will be.

Trey, wasn't there some kind of protest at your school last year that dealt with homosexuality in one way or another? If so.. did more students "come out" as being ****? Does your HS have a **** alliance club? Are there any straight friends of yours wanting to try being "**** for a day"? LOL

I'm going to put you on the spot for a minute. You're a straight young man.. has any **** person ever tried to recruit you to become ****?

Can someone please tell me. where there bible belt begins and where it ends? Does it begin in Seattle? Does it begin in Salt Lake City? I'm not trying to be a smartass at all. I just want to know for my own curiousity.

VR3

No one has ever tried to "recruit me"

The evangelist that came to my school were talking about that. And only "****" that annouce theirself as one were out there putting up a fit...

Living in the spot I do in a school with 80% whites (if not more), mostly rednecks... we have a very segregated school on many levels. Just trying to give you a perspective on what its like.

I personally don't believe in it and dont support it by no means... but I have friends that "swing that way" - but we both know where each other stands...

VR3

Danger....

The Bible Belt -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Belt

BIZILL

Zero wrote:

Where we draw the line? I can only tell you where the line begins. Join them...by listening to this simple message;

http://www.rathergood.com/gaybar/

that is the BEST thing i've ever seen in my whole life while at the same time the WORST thing i've ever seen in my whole life!

Jstas

brettw22 wrote:

I never claimed that my taxes didn't go for roads, and the above mentioned things. I simply pointed out that I am in part supporting families that have children going to school (since that's been the primary arguement with marriage/kids) yet with us doing everything tax-wise as anyone else, we're denied basic priveledges in this country.

For the record, I'm not in a relationship and I'm not trying to go and get married. I'm an advocate for at least being given the option to do so if I choose to. Freedom is about having choices, but apparently only if you're straight.

The type of person that would get 'pissed' about this movie is the type of person that hasn't evolved IMO. Leave it to the true freaks to get all bent because they're afraid that they'll all of a sudden be assumed to be ****......pathetic.

Lastly, I totally disagree that this thread is a bad thing. Discussing stuff is healthy, even for the pigheaded ones.......

I agree with you 100%. My comments about taxes were how I percieved you came off. I've heard teh same argument before and it honestly just doesn't follow logic. however, if you are a citizen of this country and you pay taxes and there is supposed to be a seperation of chruch and state then yes, you should be afford all rights and priviledges of any other citizen. Religions do not need to be involved. The problem is that religions are made up of people who believe that they should get respect too and that involves thier religious beliefs because they can't seperate governmental rights from religious beliefs. That makes them no better than the Jihad'ers IMO. Things is though, these loonies lobby thier representatives and get things thier way. It sucks because they will scream that you can't have God in the Pledge of Allegiance but you can tell me that you can't have homosexual marriages because God says they are bad. Which is it? It's a double standard and it sucks for both sides.

Heh, you know what's even funnier? I'm a Roman catholic, the one religion that speaks out the most against homosexuality and I can't get this idea but very few others can. Jesus' teachings preached tolerance and moderation. Doesn't seem like much tolerance and moderation is being practiced.



danger boy, I don't know how you got all that in your post from my post because I never even touched on those subjects. I said the thread was **** because another meaning for **** is jolly, jovial which is essentially meaning light-hearted, not serious. Not all posts are serious but until brett chimed in, it was rather silly. Nothing of any substance. If one wants to have a discussion about it, go for it. The problem is that nobody has really given a real answer to brett that was full of mental diarrhea and religious rhetoric.

BIZILL

Jstas wrote:

The problem is that nobody has really given a real answer to brett that was full of mental diarrhea and religious rhetoric.

hope that was not intended toward me. gregure-revisited. i am trying to keep religion out of this to an extent. everything i have said is based upon my own influence and not christianity. there are no definate answers to any of this at this moment. i have yet to have anyone convince me why things should not remain as they are. (not that anyone has to) this has all been opinions thrown back and forth except for one comment that i feel stands out from the rest....one person sticking their junk inside another of equal sex can not bare offspring.

faster100

Jstas wrote:

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Oh boy!! first cars and now **** theory.. Boy you got it all covered now john.. you really do know IT ALL.. what business do you have ranting in this type thread? :rolleyes:

Demiurge

The problem is that nobody has really given a real answer to brett that was full of mental diarrhea and religious rhetoric.

Really? Seems to me there's a quite of few pages of people going back and forth. Believe it or not there isn't really much religious talk here either. In fact I think it was mentioned twice. Once someone mentioned the bible and then you brought it up in your last post.

We can argue this with logic and it's been done so far. You're telling me a man putting his manhood in a woman or in another man is somehow different than putting it in your dog. I'm just telling you, logically, it's all sex. I'm also telling you our laws are based on morality and morality is rooted in religion. I was moreso waiting for someone to actually take me to task on my comments because I know that our country IS founded on religion. That's a fact whether you like it or not.

It's freedom of religion, not freedom from it. Learn it.

BIZILL

word.

Willow

Demiurge wrote:

putting it in your dog. .

Ha ! now that's going to far :eek:

BIZILL

willow (the dog) don't want to sample a human!!! :eek:
but i dunno, don't dogs always hump the legs of humans? there's plenty of beastiality out there. and yes, i've downloaded some to bring smiles to those at my work. they think it's a riot.

cfrizz

Demi, no one can argue the fact that this country was founded on religion, and we all see what trouble ALL the different religions cause (ie the entire middle east).

What sets this country apart is that somewhere along the line, some very smart people decided that there should be a clear separation between church & state.

They knew that religion is a very devisive intolerant topic, since all of them want to convert everyone else to thier particular type.

And that's no way to run a country. The only difference between us & the middle east is we won't start killing everyone else who doesn't believe as we do.

We just try to change the constitution to get things to go our way. Rather than just being tolerant of everyone elses beliefs & right to have them.

I believe that one day this will all be settled, it won't be in my lifetime, but hopefully by the time I die significant progress will be made so that ALL consenting adults will be able to live their lives as they see fit within the boundaries of the law that really protects ALL individuals regardless of race, color, religion or sexual orientation.

Skynut

There is no seperation of church and state in the constitution.
There is a provision for no state sponsored religion.

Demiurge

Skynut wrote:

There is no seperation of church and state in the constitution.
There is a provision for no state sponsored religion.

Bingo.

danger boy

Jstas wrote:

danger boy, I don't know how you got all that in your post from my post because I never even touched on those subjects. I said the thread was **** because another meaning for **** is jolly, jovial which is essentially meaning light-hearted, not serious. Not all posts are serious but until brett chimed in, it was rather silly. Nothing of any substance. If one wants to have a discussion about it, go for it. The problem is that nobody has really given a real answer to brett that was full of mental diarrhea and religious rhetoric.

I was hitting on a lot of other peoples posts.. it all seemed to be like it was in response to one of your posts. which it was, and posts by a few others. my bad.

Jstas

Freedom of religion includes having no religion.