Brokeback Mountain

lanion

As for 'thou shalt not lie with another man', that particular example is rather poor. The 'man' in question in that passage was persecuted because he was raping boys. If he was raping girls it might have been 'thou shalt not lie with a woman', but everyone would just ignore that. Moreover, the bible is in english and different translations come off completely differently and a lot of subtleties of the original text are left out. Even if you use the bible you have to be open minded, or else you are a fanatic.

brettw22

I'm not asking for acceptance to anyone's church, nor from any congregation of said church(es).....therefore the bible has nothing to do with this. If you want to argue on behalf of God, do so somewhere else. I'll play judge/jury with Him, but not with any of the thumpers here on this planet that feel they're more qualified to judge my life. Everyone likes to pick and choose which parts of the bible or their belief system to sustain their life. That's fine, but I'm not asking to be a part of your religious group.

I do find it comical how threatened people become when this issue is even brought up, be it in the news, here on a forum, or in real life. It 100% is a human/ethical rights issue, and if you're not for human rights, then you'd be in the right camp to be against a group of people being given rights that you enjoy (but make sure that you're consistent across the board with shunning every group possible that doesn't fit within your specific qualifications).

Who'd have thought that as adults people would basically be playing the same game of cooties that was played when they were children. It's not so different, with the method each group picks and chooses who to pick on or not.

Ron-P

Ahhhh, c'mon Brett, I threw that out more as just a funny, lighten up.

Tour2ma

I think all **** should be sent back to Africa...

danger boy

there sure is a lot going on here.. and this all started because a **** themed movie is hitting the big screen this week.

While the debate going on here is a lively one.. and an important one on both sides.. it's really just going to lead to someone's feelings getting hurt. So lets get this thread back on track.. and talk about the movie or a movie of a similar nature or genre.

I think this ongoing discussion should be moved to the Clubhouse thread.... and continue there.

Who's with me?

For the record... when Brokeback Mountain comes to my local mega plex.. I will be going to see it.. for three reasons..

Reason uno: the story line. I keep reading that it's not a "**** cowboy lovestory".

reason dos: I want to know what all the hype is about and to form my own opinions on the movie and it's subject matter.

reason tres: I'm interested in the subject matter. Being ****.. how could I pass it up? I'm totally going into it with an open mind.. and not biased at all.

If someone chooses not to see the movie because they don't agree with the subject matter. that's perfectly ok with me. We all have our likes and dislikes in movies. I don't care for those 18th century period piece movies myself... so I always stay away from those. I find them boring and deathly slow.

shack

shack wrote:

****, straight, whatever...I have absolutely NO interest in this movie! I don't particularly like Ang Lee's work. "Sense and Sensibility" and "The Ice Storm" were just plain boring. "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" was visually interesting and "something different" so I guess it was ok. "The Hulk" cold have been good...but wasn't. Lee is excellent at cinematography but his storys just don't appeal to me. This one? I really don't buy movies to see epic, period piece, western, love stories, that are "Profound. Trancendent. Heartbreaking" or "A rich love poem with boundless soul". The final kiss of death is the way many of the "critics" have gushed all over this one. Alway a great indicator that I will not like it. I'll pass.

I already stated earlier why I won't be viewing this film. Nothing has changed.

One "Thumb Down"

Maurice

Tour2ma wrote:

I think all **** should be sent back to Africa...

waaaaaaaaaaa now thats comedy

hoosier21

I'm not going to see this movie, I grow tired of Hollywood only casting sheep in secondary roles. When is the last time you saw a sheep in a staring role? Oh sure a lucky one or two of them are going to be in a close up shot, but I bet anything they won't have more than one or two lines at the most.

Strong Bad

I won't go see this for the very same reason I didn't plop down $7.00 for Bridges of Madison County...looks f***ing boring to me! Rather go see King Kong. I could care less about the **** subject matter. Looks boring!

Brett, ignore the f***tards that think **** people are a bigger threat to mankind than the Taliban.

Ohhhhhhh nooooooo, it's Brett! It's the end of the world!!!! OHHHHH NOOOO!!!! We're all doomed!!!!


Me

shack

As a side note...I wonder how many of the critics would have raved about this movie had it not been for the subject matter. Way too many of the reviews have things to say like "groundbreaking", "non mainsteam", "forbidden fruit", "brave", "the most important **** film in a century", etc... It seems many the critics love the theme more than the movie itself.

lanion

You are right Shack, but there is something to be said for breaking new ground. People cared when blacks first had serious roles, even if they weren't really great movies, and rightly so. Same can be said for a movie like this.

BIZILL

are the actors in the movie truely ****?

lanion

no, they actually had a tough time getting into their parts apparently, so no, the analogy isn't perfect.

Tour2ma

lanion wrote:

no, they actually had a tough time getting into their parts apparently...

:eek:

BIZILL

Lololol. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

danger boy

lanion wrote:

You are right Shack, but there is something to be said for breaking new ground. People cared when blacks first had serious roles, even if they weren't really great movies, and rightly so. Same can be said for a movie like this.

Frankly, I don't think the movie is groundbreaking at all. We've seen several movies where **** characters were a central part of the movie. Unfortunately, **** usually play the suffering down and out AIDS patient or the goofy nerdy type high school teacher.. as in, In and Out.

I don't really think there is any more ground breaking movies anymore. What haven't we seen in movies yet? Do you really think two cowboys from Wyoming would fall in love after being married? Seems pretty out there if you ask me. What's next? Two NFL coaches who fall in love?

You gotta remember this film is pure fantasy.. fiction.

Demiurge

Not only is this horse dead, we just broke it's back.

aaharvel

Breyers 'Fruit At the Bottom' mixed berry Yogurt should be a foodgroup.

Polkersince85

I won't be going to see this film, from what I understand, it's just another one of those westerns where the good guy gets it in the end.

BIZILL

Demiurge wrote:

Not only is this horse dead, we just broke it's back.

brokeback mountain with a broke back horse.

BIZILL

Polkersince85 wrote:

I won't be going to see this film, from what I understand, it's just another one of those westerns where the good guy gets it in the end.

another lol :eek:

gregure

Ron-P wrote:

I rented "Requiem for a Dream" and borrowed "kill Bill" both films were a joke and waste of my time. I will not buy or rent either one again.

It's all about personal choice and I don't have a problem with that. I find drug use and homosexualness wrong and won't support it. It has nothing to do with being "weak".

If people choose to do it fine, just don't make a stink about it because you don't get your way or make me pay with my tax dollars because of the choices you made.

I think this whole thing is silly. The above quote is the best example I've seen of someone who is hiding behind a really stupid argument to justify a moral reason he won't go see this film. If the above argument holds true for this film, then Ron, I hope you've never taken the time to watch Scarface, The Birdcage, Pulp Fiction, American Beauty, Apocalypse Now, From Hell, True Romance, Jackie Brown, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, well, hell, these are just the ones that come to mind that have to do with homosexuality or drug use (or both). That's a whole lotta movies that you don't support.

Really, folks, people are people, and sexual habits are not confined exclusively to hetero or homo necessarily. Live and let live. If you don't agree with a certain lifestyle, fine. But is watching a film depicting this sort of love really supporting an entire moral agenda? Not really. Film is an exploration of life. We embrace or reject all films on the basis of their ability to move us. If a film can do that, does it really matter if you agree with it morally? Judging from the heated responses on this post, it looks like many don't even need to see this film to be affected by it. That is very powerful. And given the knee-jerk, ridiculously narrow-minded opposition I've seen displayed here, without a doubt representing a microcosm of a larger social response to this film, I think those who made the film had a lot of courage. I respect the actors, the writers, and especially Ang Lee for his embracing of all forms of love. He's quite Zen about it all.

gregure

BIZILL wrote:

are the actors in the movie truely ****?

Wow. Just wow.

I love this post. Really. I totally disagree with your position, am morally opposed to the "choice" you've made in your life, and let me list the reasons, but really, no offense.

It's gold, Jerry! Gold!

shack

gregure wrote:

I think those who made the film had a lot of courage. I respect the actors, the writers, and especially Ang Lee for his embracing of all forms of love. He's quite Zen about it all.

This is EXACTLY what I was talking about when I wrote...

As a side note...I wonder how many of the critics would have raved about this movie had it not been for the subject matter. Way too many of the reviews have things to say like "groundbreaking", "non mainsteam", "forbidden fruit", "brave", "the most important **** film in a century", etc... It seems many the critics love the theme more than the movie itself.

Scarface, The Birdcage, Pulp Fiction, American Beauty, Apocalypse Now, From Hell, True Romance, Jackie Brown, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

If you feel that this movie falls in line with the ones listed above...all the more reason not to see it. For various reasons I don't care for any of them...And my life would be none the worse for having never seen them.

dorokusai

This thread has simply solidified my friendship with Brett. I've known for years that the **** was **** as the hills, but it didn't affect me, nor anyone, at ANY Polkfest. He is 100% in my book. I'm a redneck BTW.

If this is such a hangup for some of you folks, how about you never attend a Polkfest...EVER, because as far as I'm concerned you are persona non grata. Get over yourself, or stand up and be counted as a non-attendee. Go ahead and protest so we can forget about you.

Polkfest, and even this forum isn't about the individual or his/her agenda, it's about Polk Audio and a love for all things audio. I know, some of you folks simply can't control your raging opinion about what the world should be....and act like...blah blah blah...it couldn't be more boring.

The day I roll into Polk Audio, Audio Asylum, Audio Karma, AVS, HTF, Agoraquest, ETC for a question about morality, life or conduct, is when I should just put a gun in my mouth.

Audio is cool.

danger boy

gregure wrote:

I think this whole thing is silly. The above quote is the best example I've seen of someone who is hiding behind a really stupid argument to justify a moral reason he won't go see this film. If the above argument holds true for this film, then Ron, I hope you've never taken the time to watch Scarface, The Birdcage, Pulp Fiction, American Beauty, Apocalypse Now, From Hell, True Romance, Jackie Brown, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, well, hell, these are just the ones that come to mind that have to do with homosexuality or drug use (or both). That's a whole lotta movies that you don't support.

Really, folks, people are people, and sexual habits are not confined exclusively to hetero or homo necessarily. Live and let live. If you don't agree with a certain lifestyle, fine. But is watching a film depicting this sort of love really supporting an entire moral agenda? Not really. Film is an exploration of life. We embrace or reject all films on the basis of their ability to move us. If a film can do that, does it really matter if you agree with it morally? Judging from the heated responses on this post, it looks like many don't even need to see this film to be affected by it. That is very powerful. And given the knee-jerk, ridiculously narrow-minded opposition I've seen displayed here, without a doubt representing a microcosm of a larger social response to this film, I think those who made the film had a lot of courage. I respect the actors, the writers, and especially Ang Lee for his embracing of all forms of love. He's quite Zen about it all.

+1 i couldn't have said it better meself.

danger boy

Oh boy.... this thread isn't about Brett or anyone in particular. I don't remember reading anywhere where someone was attacking Brett or another club member personally for their beliefs.

This thread took on a life of it's own. Debate ensued and it steered away from the original post.

I rarely agrue with other club members.. I may not agree with their positions on a certain topic.. so i bite my lip most of the time.

Mark, I'm afraid you're going to alienate people with what you wrote. If that's your idea and you're cool with it.... I don't have a problem with that. You're going to cause people to choose sides.. in effect causing this forum to be divided.

Like I said.. the debate here was lively for a while.. and it caused both sides to think about things that maybe they never have before. Is this ever going to be settled? Nope. People believe what they believe or where brought up to believe. We as humans can continue to belive what we were taught.. or expand and become better people by being more accepting of people and cultures we don't agree with or completely understand.

I would hope that people here would take the high road and not let this thread become personal towards any member here. And please stop with the sophmoric jokes about **** sex. It speaks to your peronality in a bad light when you do that. Raise above posting slander like that. Brett said that several posts ago.. at least respect his wishes on that level.

al

dorokusai

Sorry DB, but I think it was pretty clearly defined that Brett was the main defender of the issue. Perhaps you took a nap when reading the previous posts?

I'm sure that the forum knows that I will state my opinion regardless of the member, beings I've even attacked close friends on certain issues.

My comments stand and I have no worries or reservations.

The animal was let loose a long time before I crawled into the picture.

cfrizz

Brett, Doro, Gregure, Danger & Demi!!!!

Respect & live & let live folks. Live & let live!

Strong Bad

dorokusai wrote:

The day I roll into Polk Audio, Audio Asylum, Audio Karma, AVS, HTF, Agoraquest, ETC for a question about morality, life or conduct, is when I should just put a gun in my mouth.

Audio is cool.

Well said Mark!

I still want to see you in those assless chaps!


John