Why own different amps when they all sound the same???WHAT ABOUT WIRE?

mantis
mantis Posts: 17,194
edited November 2005 in 2 Channel Audio
Tell me boys, I know most of you have different amps. But why would you? They all sound the same.

There should be Brand X and everyone should buy it and power everything with it. There is no difference.Who the hell cares what name is on it if it will not sound better or worse. Hell not even different.

And wire, speaker wire, any wire, as long as you have the proper gauge , it will all sound exactly the same. Larger then needed wire is just a waste of money period. Under 25 feet for your mains , 16 guage is all thats needed. Don't even be bi wiring, your now the biggest **** of them all. You know double butt effed yourself.

King ****
Dan
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited November 2005
    wish my experience was the same, I would same some serious money.
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited November 2005
    hehe...he said butt effed..!!

    Is there actually a reason or point to this thread..?

    Inquiring buttholes whanna know..!!

    :D
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited November 2005
    I just like to "CLAIM" I can hear a difference so I can fit in with the rest of you fellas :rolleyes:

    Oh and I like to waste my hard earned cash on frivolous purchases, too.
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • PolknPepsi
    PolknPepsi Posts: 781
    edited November 2005
    Well.....
    I could tell a difference when changing from lampcord to monster 12 gauge wire. Not too sure about the amp thing I'm still on my first one since just recently I became seriously interested in audio.
    Denon #2900, Denon stereo receiver, Conrad Johnson Sonographe 120 amp, Blue Jeans cables, and Klipsch RF-7's
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited November 2005
    If you wire your actual lamp with monstercable, would the light be brighter? Would it turn on smother?
    Dan
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited November 2005
    ya know, now that ya mention it...my HCA-3500 sounds just like my HCA-2205a

    and all 4 of my Rotel 980`s sound the same too..

    maybe you`ve got somethin here..!!
    Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
    Parasound HCA-3500
    Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
    Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
    Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
    Jolida JD-100 CDP
    Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
    SVS PC-Ultra Sub
    AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
    MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
    AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
    PS Audio Plus Power Cords
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
    Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
    Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)

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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited November 2005
    Are you just bored Dan or are you just wanting to get a "DEBATE" started with BDT??? :D;)
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited November 2005
    with all the ruckuss(sp) today, its just a troll thread to start more debate and anger.. typical club polk getting back in gear :rolleyes:
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
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  • PolknPepsi
    PolknPepsi Posts: 781
    edited November 2005
    ............I'm not sure Dan, let's ask the Bunny.
    Denon #2900, Denon stereo receiver, Conrad Johnson Sonographe 120 amp, Blue Jeans cables, and Klipsch RF-7's
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  • gidrah
    gidrah Posts: 3,049
    edited November 2005
    Slip off your meds again bug man?
    Make it Funky! :)
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited November 2005
    Yeah Dan, we get it. You are the pro. Your opinion is more relavant and informed than anyone else's.

    Guess Dan needs to puff up for some reason. Maybe another midlife crisis and needs to feel more 'eggresive'.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited November 2005
    hmmm, it seems david hasselhoff has something to say
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    Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.

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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited November 2005
    This would be cool if somebody had actually said all amps sound the same.

    This explains a lot tho, Dan can read statements that were never made which explains how he can hear the differences in amps and cables when there arent any! :D:p
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2005
    faster100 wrote:
    with all the ruckuss(sp) today, its just a troll thread to start more debate and anger.. typical club polk getting back in gear :rolleyes:

    Magic Eight Ball says.....more than likely :D

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited November 2005
    Ah, whats wrong with some good strong debate? Its not much fun when everybody agrees. As long as it remains civil, a good intellectual exchange is good for the soul.
    polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited November 2005
    Forum troll...............
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited November 2005
    I have to say he is absolutely correct! All my amps and wire sound exactly the same. I put my ear right next to each of my amps, and then slid my ear along each of my different speaker cables end-to-end, and except for a little carpet burn, everyone of them sounds exactly the same :eek: In fact, I put my ear up to my couch, and it sounded just like my amps! I'm going next door to see if the neighbors Bose system sounds just like my stuff :D
    DKG999
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    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2005
    dkg999 wrote:
    I have to say he is absolutely correct! All my amps and wire sound exactly the same. I put my ear right next to each of my amps, and then slid my ear along each of my different speaker cables end-to-end, and except for a little carpet burn, everyone of them sounds exactly the same :eek: In fact, I put my ear up to my couch, and it sounded just like my amps! I'm going next door to see if the neighbors Bose system sounds just like my stuff :D

    LMAO.....I can see you now cheeks smoking and eveything. If your in Belvidere tonight just go out in the rain to sooth those carpet burns. :p

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited November 2005
    H9 - yep! Just hanging out in Belvidere watching the new Star Wars DVD with the kids! The rain has backed off a little over here. I hit the usual flea markets and shops in Rockford earlier today and couldn't find any new toys. Over at Video Labs on Alpine they had a nice PS Audio DAC, but they couldn't tell me what chips it had in it and they wanted $500 for it. They also had a real clean Adcom GFA5400 for $350. He has some pretty nice restored Advents for reasonable prices if you are looking for those. Doug.
    DKG999
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    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2005
    dkg999 wrote:
    H9 - yep! Just hanging out in Belvidere watching the new Star Wars DVD with the kids! The rain has backed off a little over here. I hit the usual flea markets and shops in Rockford earlier today and couldn't find any new toys. Over at Video Labs on Alpine they had a nice PS Audio DAC, but they couldn't tell me what chips it had in it and they wanted $500 for it. They also had a real clean Adcom GFA5400 for $350. He has some pretty nice restored Advents for reasonable prices if you are looking for those. Doug.

    On a completely diff subject (maybe we sould take this to PM) but how is that guy at Video lab? I've never gotten too much out of him as far as conversation and I'm thinking of having my current Adcom "freshened" up a bit. He just doesn't have the kind of personality that makes me feel comfortable having him work on my stuff. I know he can makes things "go" but I'd feel more comfortable if I knew he had some knowledge about how to improve in a few area's. Any expericences with him? We need to get together and shoot the **** sometime soon.

    Brock
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited November 2005
    dkg999 wrote:
    I have to say he is absolutely correct! All my amps and wire sound exactly the same. I put my ear right next to each of my amps, and then slid my ear along each of my different speaker cables end-to-end, and except for a little carpet burn, everyone of them sounds exactly the same :eek: In fact, I put my ear up to my couch, and it sounded just like my amps! I'm going next door to see if the neighbors Bose system sounds just like my stuff :D

    ROFLMREO!!!! That's great!!
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    Wonder WTF happened to the rest of my money.
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited November 2005
    mantis wrote:
    Tell me boys, I know most of you have different amps. But why would you? They all sound the same.
    Personally, I am compensating for something... aren't you???

    Michael
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited November 2005
    :confused:
    Never Forget
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited November 2005
    Dan do you remember this?????????? LINK

    Didn't you say something about how great the Rotel's sound with Dynaudio as compared to other brands? Isn't that why you chose Rotel? WTF? :confused:

    BTW - Hear a difference I do between the Rotel that died on me and the Parasound that replaced it. Just my $0.02
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited November 2005
    This thread is going to turn sour. Let's just put it this way: If all amps/wires/speakers/etc sounds the same, none of us would bother joining Club Polk.

    Maurice
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited November 2005
    I believe this thead is a good example of what you will find when trying to decide on wire. read it and you might get where I'm coming from.

    I also feel the comments made on the rich are where they are coming from. It's funny as I have good wire and I'm very far from being rich.

    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=599714
    This one is the king of all wire theads. Very different but close to the same as ones that go down in here.
    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=424550
    Dan
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  • PolknPepsi
    PolknPepsi Posts: 781
    edited November 2005
    I read most of both links and it looks like some guys do and some guys don't think cables make a difference. Funny thing.....cables must be the most controversial topic in audio.
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  • W WALDECKER
    W WALDECKER Posts: 900
    edited November 2005
    PolknPepsi wrote:
    I read most of both links and it looks like some guys do and some guys don't think cables make a difference. Funny thing.....cables must be the most controversial topic in audio.
    everything makes a difference if it is with your own ears listening to your own system. it only matters if you can hear a positive change for the better in your system.thanks....WCW III
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited November 2005
    Who gives a rats **** about the avs forums and what does it have to do with trying to start a pissing contest here?

    I really think Dan's lost it.

    BDBania
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited November 2005
    As the owner of 18+ amplifiers at the same time I can seriously say that when I swap them around they all have their pluses and minuses. Some have great midrange, some control woofers very well, some have accented bass, some are harsh on the high end, some can give you goosebumps while others can make you cry. Dan, you've lost it man. :)
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