Why own different amps when they all sound the same???WHAT ABOUT WIRE?

MacLeod

jdhdiggs wrote:

The problem with RC's test is that he states, you need to pick out XYZ amp from each test rather than a test of "This is amp A, now is the next amp the same or different than amp A". The first, even if you here a difference, it is a crap shoot to guess which one is which. In the second, you can tell a difference and that's the question being asked. (As opposed to "Which one is this?")

I have done both in my house with my own equipment with cables and amps. I never passed his style of test, but the other I can pass >95% of the time with amps. As far as cables go, as long as they are properly built, I have never heard any difference or passed any blind tests. Sorry...

Nope. You listen to 2 amps and choose which one you think is Brand X.

If you take youre favorite amp, say an Adcom up there and he pairs it with a Rotel or something, youll sit down and listen to them both with your own music and you in control of everything and then pick which one, either A or B is the Adcom. If there are obvious differences like the Rotel is way to sibliant and the Adcom is very warm with tight midbass then it should be simple to pick the Adcom every time.

Youre only picking between 2 amps and you chose the 2 amps that you can pick from! Hell you can even take your own amps to the test if you dont want to use any of his! You can even bring your own speakers.There is no trick.

jdhdiggs

Right, you're still trying to pick brand XYZ from two choices, not if their different, that's the point...

My point is that I know they sound different. Now can I say 100% of the time, "oh, that's the counterpoint" or "Hey, who put the Carver back in?" No, not without looking, but I can tell that something is different 100% of the time.

madmax

MacLeod wrote:

This Tru is the best tube amp on the car audio market. Damn good looking amps too. Run ya about $2500. Tru makes about the best amps in car audio and some of them are the best looking on the market

But the best looking amp of all time is the Human Reign from Soundstream. How would ya like to have these on your rack?



Yup, that is an actual, functioning amp. They have a 450x2 stereo amp or a 125x4 4-channel model...itll also set ya back a cool $3700!!

If I had $7400 just lying around, and a need for 2000+ watts, I would definitely have a pair of these in my truck!

Nah man, still a few tubes thrown in with SS BS.
madmax

MacLeod

But if Adcoms are very warm and you compare it with a NAD which is very bright it should be quite easy to pick out the Adcom everytime. But yet nobody ever has.

If you were to take some Jensen bookshelf speakers and compare them blindly with some LSi9's I guarantee you that youd pick out the LSi9's 100% of the time.

MacLeod

madmax wrote:

Nah man, still a few tubes thrown in with SS BS.
madmax

The Human Reign is all SS.

The Tru however is a pure tube amp.

madmax

MacLeod wrote:

The Human Reign is all SS.

The Tru however is a pure tube amp.

The Tru is the one I was talking about. SS BS.
madmax

MacLeod

madmax wrote:

The Tru is the one I was talking about. SS BS.
madmax

Yeah, ok. I officially give up.

So now tube amps are soild state amps? I just cant keep up.

madmax

MacLeod wrote:

Yeah, ok. I officially give up.

So now tube amps are soild state amps? I just cant keep up.

That one looks like it only uses pre-amp tubes. I could be wrong.
madmax

madmax

This is what I consider a real automotive tube amp. At least I was within inches of ordering it once.
http://milbert.com/BaM235ab/

madmax

McLoki

MacLeod wrote:

Yeah, ok. I officially give up.

So now tube amps are soild state amps? I just cant keep up.

You lasted a lot longer than I did. All that working out must be doing you some good.....

Michael

ND13

madmax wrote:

This is what I consider a real automotive tube amp. At least I was within inches of ordering it once.
http://milbert.com/BaM235ab/

madmax

Wow!!! $2649 car amp. I bet it sounds great, but WOW!!!!! $2649 car amp.

madmax

Working out is not in my vocabulary. I think the words I use are "spent", "tired" and "oh woe is me"... On the price, I thought it was $1600 or something. At least two years ago when I was really into it that was about the price. At $2649 I wouldn't consider it. I'll stick with my old pair of RF 1100's. Not that I know what they sound like, they are still sitting here in bags...

I joke about CA sometimes but believe me, you can get some great SQ if you know what you are doing and get lucky with synergy.

madmax

madmax

McLoki wrote:

You lasted a lot longer than I did. All that working out must be doing you some good.....

Michael

MacLeod's a smart guy, he'll get there. Now, you hold him and I'll find a sock to put the soap in...

madmax

MacLeod

OK, this really, truly is my last post cause I really am giving up....honest...I swear....cross my heart.

Ill leave you with a quote from the brilliant mind of Carl Sagan:

"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."

Now I retreat! Run away!!!!!

madmax

You better be runnin' freakin' fast after that one...
madmax

MacLeod

I can run faster scared than you can mad!

madmax

Ya know, I've been workin out recently...
madmax

heiney9

MacLeod wrote:

OK, this really, truly is my last post cause I really am giving up....honest...I swear....cross my heart.

Ill leave you with a quote from the brilliant mind of Carl Sagan:

"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."

Now I retreat! Run away!!!!!

Ya know this quote goes bothways (get yer mind outta the gutter). You believe there is no difference so your belief is not based on evidence and you have a deep seated need to believe

H9

dorokusai

Is this thread still alive?

I've been involved and have read and/or contributed so much about this RC challenge, it's simply O L D.

The challenge has been around for a long time, and it has produced nothing. It's rhetoric, it's opinion and simple, ego driven theory. It's a grift.

Read this into the "song"...I will accept your money to prove you're wrong...sound like anything you found in your Spam filter lately?

I am a cable believer, do I benefit from a purchase? No. Do I care if you purchase a cable based on our forum? Yes, but whose cable makes zero difference to me...just get involved and you were given some real world information to perform that function.

RC is a cable non-believer, does he benefit from a purchase? No. Negative cable reviews exist and are as valid as the next. If you found no benefit, amen, and we move forward.

Is my opinion any less valuable? Why, and please explain in detail.

It should be easy right? Either I am uneducated...uninformed...or just plain stupid? I would really grow with this...let me know.

The variable that you must introduce, which in a physical variable is almost impossible, mentally should defer to the originator and it subsequent history.

jdhdiggs

Mac,

Not to dump on this thread much more than it has already but imagine a situation where you had to similar drag cars. On runs say 10.7's and the other 11.0's.

Now you go to another track (which may be longer or shorter-ie not your equipment) and the use their own drivers (Sources) Since your not allowed to watch the race but which car ran the 11.3 and which ran the 11.35? Now do this 12 times and see if you guess which is the 10.7 car every time...

You can see on the new track with new drivers that there is a difference between the cars but you cannot tell decisively which one is which. That's the flaw in his style of testing.

Also, it wouldn't be in a persons best interest to brag about winning the contest. As RC has already shown, he has excuses already set-up. (They weren't level balanced, one of the output drivers failed, etc...) And thousands have not tried this contest.

madmax

Speaking of cars, what is happening here is called "bench racing".
madmax

MacLeod

Just when I think Im out - they pull me back in!

JD - So what youre saying with that race car analogy is that the differences are so small that you cant pick them out. Great, we agree. Thats all Ive been saying. Compare amps equally and their differences will be inaudible. I knew youd come around!

And yes, its imperative that the amps be level matched. I could certainly hear a difference if one amp is louder than the other. Hell, you could take 2 identical amps from the same manufacturer and with consecutive serial numbers and make them sound different by turning the bass boost up on only one, setting the gain higher on only one and so on.

madmax

MacLeod,
Just not getting it huh?

Maybe a special class or some tutoring is in order. Maybe some OJT or something similar.

madmax

MacLeod

Would that include riding the little bus?