WTB: XM Tuner...Seriously..

F1nut

Geez, odie and deepdodo.....the PUTZ twins. I'll give both of this, you certainly know how to dig a hole.

BTW, you can PM me that address. What's a good day for you?

disneyjoe7

Both F&cking Idiot's if you ask me.

ohskigod

Balls Deep Inya!!!!

think they'll come to polk fest next year???

TroyD

Gee, isn't this FUN??? Where can you get entertainment like this??

No I don't pay for it and they do offer all sorts of incentives, especially in areas where 2 or 3 cable/dish companies compete. Same with ISPs so I don't have to repeat your same tired line again. I only rent movies I don't have cable or satellite. But if I did there are plenty of deals for me.

According to your theory, since wireless phone providers provide free/low cost phones to entice people to use thier service....XM should provide a free tuner to a subscriber (for the sake of brevity I will ignore the fact that the Polk tuna is a premium item). Using YOUR logic, one could logically conclude that cable/satellite TV providers should provide us with low cost/no cost TV's. ISP providers should give us free computers. Those are very comparable analogies. Yet, I don't see you railing against those industries. Apparently you have some sort of ISP and a TV. Of course you could just use your computer at work and only have a TV hooked to an antenna. As far as your point about cable/dish companies competing, so does XM with Sirus (sp). So, you see, your argument doesn't hold much water.

see above, for someone talking about Carnegie Hall you sure come up with a lot of dumb examples. Gas companies aren't trying to get you to buy new technology, neither are isps. They give incentives based on competition, understand?

Go head an look up the word 'SARCASM' in the dictionary. G'head, I'll wait......

Sattelite radio isn't really a 'new' technology either.....wireless phone service is FAR from a new technology. Not quite sure how you are trying to tie this together cochise, but I'm doing my best to follow you. Actually, XM prices are far more subject to market forces than gas prices are. Demand for gas is what economists call 'inelastic' while something like XM service is far more 'elastic'....go ahead and look those up too. My point, which seems to have done a flyby, re the gas/car is that you seem to think that if someone provides a service or commodity, ie XM service or wireless phone, the means of consuming that service should be offered at low/no cost. It just doesn't hold water.

No fooling. But I was talking XM you're the one rambling.

I'm only applying your logic to other similar examples to maybe show you that your logic isn't sound. Now, you are just tossing out random insults rather than saying, gee, maybe my thought process wasn't as sound as it could have been. No harm in that, happens to me all the time. Hence the moniker 'Big Dumb'. Now, as far as you subscribing in XM, I don't care. I don't have a vested interest either way. What I do care about is people holding views and trying to influence the views of others using reasoning that is less than sound.

No I listened to the sound of the free market talking. Somebody at Polk decided that a pair of their speakers was worth $600+. The free market collectively howled with laughter so next thing you know they are at Frys for $140.

Free market, eh? Ok, since we've already shown that your understanding of a free market isn't quite what it should be.......maybe we should explain how you got your speakers at that price. Now, I'm willing to bet that they were a closeout model, more than likely. Polk, like most companies, changes product lines on a pretty regular basis. When that happens, it's fairly unlikely that a consumer would pay the same price for an older model when, for a similar price, they could buy the latest model. Well, this surplus inventory....well, they can either dump the stuff in a landfill or sell it at a substantial discount, often times well below initial dealer cost. What you paid for your speakers has very little to do with the market 'howling with laughter'.

You want to pay top dollar for something be my guest. My argument is that every new technology has come down in price and so will this one.

Gee, man, I pay 10 bucks a month for XM radio. I pay 24 for cable TV. Yup, those XM guys are REALLY sticking it to me. :rolleyes:

Now, will the price go down if more people subscribe? Likely, yes. However, I can afford ten bucks a month without whining about it. If you can't/won't that's your issue. I don't see the big issue one way or another. As far as the price of the XM tuna, well, I think it's relatively cheap as far as new stereo components go. Your mileage may vary and that's fine.

BDT

RuSsMaN

Ode keeps lobbin 'em up, Troy keeps knockin 'em out of the park.

nadams

You can buy a standard XM tuner for $50.... that's not low-cost? As Troy said, the XRt12 is a PREMIUM tuner, and if you want it, you have to pay a bit more for it. Unless, you know, you.... don't. But anyway,

$50 for a radio isn't bad, and $13/mo for the service isn't too bad when you look at how much a month we pay for cable and ISPs, etc...

ND13

And the saga continues :rolleyes:

TroyD

I'm sorry I can't help it......

BDT

Ricardo

Yeah..you can let it go now....already bought my tuner

Demiurge

Now start a thread about buying those nifty PolkFest Polos. :eek:

ND13

The rebuttal is on it's way

ode

TroyD wrote:

Gee, isn't this FUN??? Where can you get entertainment like this??

According to your theory, since wireless phone providers provide free/low cost phones to entice people to use thier service....XM should provide a free tuner to a subscriber (for the sake of brevity I will ignore the fact that the Polk tuna is a premium item). Using YOUR logic, one could logically conclude that cable/satellite TV providers should provide us with low cost/no cost TV's. ISP providers should give us free computers. Those are very comparable analogies. Yet, I don't see you railing against those industries. Apparently you have some sort of ISP and a TV. Of course you could just use your computer at work and only have a TV hooked to an antenna. As far as your point about cable/dish companies competing, so does XM with Sirus (sp). So, you see, your argument doesn't hold much water.

Actually no they aren't unless you compare the fact that they started out with high prices and low subscriber bases then expanded as competition entered and prices dropped. My first pc (if that's what you even want to call it nowadays) was an Atari that used plug in cartridges, a cassette loader and carried an obscene price tag. Look what you get now. You can get a quality tv nowadays for next to nothing. Some ISPs actually did try to give you a free PC but that turned out to be a scam. Look in your mailbox every week to see what the cable and satellite companies try to entice you with. Now I'm sure the XM people are the exceptions, sitting in their boardroom saying I know, let's pay Howard Stern a ton of money to jump to satellite so we can keep our subscriber base low So you don't see the possibility of them ever making offers?

Sattelite radio isn't really a 'new' technology either.....wireless phone service is FAR from a new technology. Not quite sure how you are trying to tie this together cochise, but I'm doing my best to follow you. Actually, XM prices are far more subject to market forces than gas prices are. Demand for gas is what economists call 'inelastic' while something like XM service is far more 'elastic'....go ahead and look those up too. My point, which seems to have done a flyby, re the gas/car is that you seem to think that if someone provides a service or commodity, ie XM service or wireless phone, the means of consuming that service should be offered at low/no cost. It just doesn't hold water.

Cochise? You have some sort of Indian fetish like the guy from the Village People? XM is an industry that is trying to grow, they only have so many ways to do it. You may not think that $120/year is a lot but compared to 0 it is and companies like ClearChannel drive that point home every day.

I'm only applying your logic to other similar examples to maybe show you that your logic isn't sound. Now, you are just tossing out random insults rather than saying, gee, maybe my thought process wasn't as sound as it could have been. No harm in that, happens to me all the time. Hence the moniker 'Big Dumb'.

That's pretty funny coming from the Carnegie Hall guy or are you so full of yourself that you don't even realize what you say?

Free market, eh? Ok, since we've already shown that your understanding of a free market isn't quite what it should be.......maybe we should explain how you got your speakers at that price. Now, I'm willing to bet that they were a closeout model, more than likely. Polk, like most companies, changes product lines on a pretty regular basis. When that happens, it's fairly unlikely that a consumer would pay the same price for an older model when, for a similar price, they could buy the latest model. Well, this surplus inventory....well, they can either dump the stuff in a landfill or sell it at a substantial discount, often times well below initial dealer cost. What you paid for your speakers has very little to do with the market 'howling with laughter'.

Oh really? I always wondered why 2005 Fords sell for 80% less than the new 2006 models once they come out. Thanks for pointing that out. Unfortunately my speakers still list for $639.95/pr on the Polk website. I'd like to meet the person who paid that price, he's probably not too happy. Then again he's probably convinced himself that he got the best sound available at the best price the day it arrived, before the rest of the world figured out that they are one darn good pair of $140 speakers.
And if an $1800 receiver is really worth $1800 and sells like hotcakes at $1800 then logic would dictate that even $1400 or $1500 for a closeout would be a steal. You only have to "dump excess inventory" when nobody will buy it. I will stand by my original statement, thank you.

Gee, man, I pay 10 bucks a month for XM radio. I pay 24 for cable TV. Yup, those XM guys are REALLY sticking it to me. :rolleyes:

Now, will the price go down if more people subscribe? Likely, yes. However, I can afford ten bucks a month without whining about it. If you can't/won't that's your issue. I don't see the big issue one way or another. As far as the price of the XM tuna, well, I think it's relatively cheap as far as new stereo components go. Your mileage may vary and that's fine.

Apparently it isn't I have at least 2 people willing to fight over it. Maybe we can have a Georgia Polkfest and they can fly down, we can sell tickets and raffle off a signed XM tuner. The beating will be no charge.

beardog03

dude,
let it go ...

don`t f*ck up a gesture from the heart of Mr. Polk himself by being dick..

I`m sure it`s in no way what he intended, or would want to see..

let it f*ckin go.....

TroyD

ode...........................................................................................point

If anyone can make sense of his post, PM me but I've pretty much lost interest at this point.


Like a fat girl in a dodgeball game....

BDT

cfrizz

TroyD wrote:

Gee, man, I pay 10 bucks a month for XM radio. I pay 24 for cable TV. Yup, those XM guys are REALLY sticking it to me. :rolleyes:
BDT

24 dollars for cable???? Do you have any channels to watch??? I pay 67.56 just for standard cable!

I think I'm going to be sick! :mad:

TroyD

Actually, Cathy (and btw, it was a sincere pleasure to meet you)......it may be a few dollars more but it's not more than 30. It is VERY basic cable. No digital, no nada...

BDT

cfrizz

It was a pleasure to meet you as well Troy! Wow I'm jealous even before they upgraded me to a digital box I started out at around 47 bucks & it just kept going up yr after yr!

TroyD

You got to pay the long price if you want to live in Boston! My parents live up in Wells, ME and they are paying through the nose as well for cable.

Oh, just hit me, ode bought the R50's I'll bet. Man, those things NEVER sold anywhere close to MSRP. Duh.

BDT

ND13

TroyD wrote:

Oh, just hit me, ode bought the R50's I'll bet. Man, those things NEVER sold anywhere close to MSRP. Duh.

BDT

One reason why I only buy vintage Polks

F1nut

Fight? You? HA! You're all type and no balls and I'll tell you why. You offered up your addy to anyone who asked for it. I did and you didn't, so sit down and shut the F up.

RuSsMaN

C is for Cookie, that's good enough for me...
C is for Cookie, that's good enough for me...
C is for Cookie, that's good enough for me...

Oh Cookie Cookie Cookie starts with C...

TroyD

Eh, what the heck....slow night at work and I'm bored so here we go!

Actually no they aren't unless you compare the fact that they started out with high prices and low subscriber bases then expanded as competition entered and prices dropped. My first pc (if that's what you even want to call it nowadays) was an Atari that used plug in cartridges, a cassette loader and carried an obscene price tag. Look what you get now. You can get a quality tv nowadays for next to nothing. Some ISPs actually did try to give you a free PC but that turned out to be a scam. Look in your mailbox every week to see what the cable and satellite companies try to entice you with. Now I'm sure the XM people are the exceptions, sitting in their boardroom saying I know, let's pay Howard Stern a ton of money to jump to satellite so we can keep our subscriber base low So you don't see the possibility of them ever making offers?

Ok, now, this has absolutely NO correlation to the point I was making that you quoted. I'm forced to conclude that either you aren't reading what I'm saying or you aren't able to comprehend. I don't know which but some advice that has always served me well, if you are in a hole, quit digging.

To address what you are saying here; As technology matures and so forth the price drops...absolutely. Now the rest of it, you aren't making any sense or at least you aren't being consistent. Ok, if you think that 10-14 bucks a month is too much, well, not much I can do for you there. Let me point out though, it's less than half of what cable is (which you don't seem to be pissing about) for essentially a similar commodity. If you are pissed about them hiring Stern (who I thought was going to Sirrus?) rather than just slashing prices....well, that's a calculated decision. On the one hand you could just slash prices OR you could offer more substance at the current rate. I'm sure that thier market research tells them that the person likely to subscribe to XM would rather have higher quality programming than lower rates. Really, I agree with the latter, as I've said, I don't think the rates are unreasonable and Howard Stern is a big draw......You may not agree and that is your perrogative, however, it's foolish for you to ASSUME that your model is the only model. Not EVERYONE exists to get thier free on. Hard concept for you to grasp, I grant, but try and expand you horizions a bit.

Cochise? You have some sort of Indian fetish like the guy from the Village People? XM is an industry that is trying to grow, they only have so many ways to do it. You may not think that $120/year is a lot but compared to 0 it is and companies like ClearChannel drive that point home every day.

I have an Indian fetish because I called you cochise? Using YOUR logic, being from Georgia you must be fat and stupid. How's that?

No, 120 a year, I don't find objectionable. If you do, again, that's YOUR issue. Personally, I think FM blows. The reception is spotty and way too many commercials. If it's something I enjoy and I can afford it, I'll pay for it. Now, if your just a person who refuses to pay for anything, well, that's your bag, baby. I bet you are a real hoot to hang out with. I mean, why go to a nice restaurant when you can just plate the eff up at Ryans Mega Bar, right?

That's pretty funny coming from the Carnegie Hall guy or are you so full of yourself that you don't even realize what you say?

I'm not full of myself at all. I'm very capable of poking fun of my own ignorance. However, I'm bright enough to realize that in this instance, you haven't offered any argument with any more substance than personal bias. It makes you an easy target.

You only have to "dump excess inventory" when nobody will buy it. I will stand by my original statement, thank you.

That's just simply not true. It's so preposterous as to not even warrant a response. While the amount of the discount will vary the same logic still applies (there is that logic thing again)....lemme ask you this, when the auto companies were offering 'employee pricing' why do you think it was only for '05 models?

Maybe we can have a Georgia Polkfest

And sit around listening to your R50's and HK receiver and antenna TV? That would be a real hootenany. I'm sure we'd be partying like the Kennedy's. :rolleyes:

BDT

Schris22

I'll read this, this weekend during the hurricane....if the network is up....

Wonder if this is an interesting read...

Chris

F1nut

Ding! Fries are done.

heiney9

Does anybody know how many credit hours I get for following this Economics class . I hope there won't be a final exam . Wait..wait..wait maybe I'm in the wrong class...is this Debate class?

H9

SCompRacer

Cookie? Click on the cookie....

deepinya

F1nut wrote:

Geez, odie and deepdodo.....the PUTZ twins. I'll give both of this, you certainly know how to dig a hole.

BTW, you can PM me that address. What's a good day for you?

and wtf did I say mr high and mighty!?!?

oh just the facts that yet another flame starts in the for sale forum....or am I wrong and this isnt a flame? Please correct me if Im wrong....Im a big enough man to admit being wrong.

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I realize that the truth in my posts hurts you but continue flaming me if that makes you feel better about your small package. Im not going anywhere!

TroyD

I'm not flaming anyone......Haven't cursed, haven't lost my temper.or used profanity.

Since when is debating something a crime?

BDT

george daniel

Enough :eek:

ode

TroyD wrote:

I'm not flaming anyone......Haven't cursed, haven't lost my temper.or used profanity.

Since when is debating something a crime?

BDT

He's correct and he hasn't. Neither have I. It's a few of the dumb masses (say that 5 times quickly now) that feel compelled to bash someone's face in because they happen to think that one product is caca. This isn't a yahoo chat room or some porno forum F1, even if we do use screen names the vast majority of posters are people who bought and registered Polk products. Our names and contact information are readily available to anyone who wants to go through the trouble of finding them. So you sit there and play tough guy hiding behind your pc, obviously forum rules only apply to people with fewer than X number of posts.

Duty calls we can play more later.