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  • hauxon
    hauxon Posts: 162
    Please don't hate EV! At the moment I'm trying to save vintage pair of EV SH-1502ER!!!
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,885
    hauxon wrote: »
    Please don't hate EV! At the moment I'm trying to save vintage pair of EV SH-1502ER!!!
    +1! ;)
    It took me a long time to understand and to commit to memory that this thread isn't bashing EV -- just EVs. So that's OK. :blush:

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    Of course: EV made some "EVS" -- and "ETR", too. B)
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    (From a Warehouse Sound catalog, ca. 1977 :p )

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  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 5,596
    Electric bus being charged by a diesel generator towed behind a diesel pickup.

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,443
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/dramatic-video-shows-explosion-at-large-battery-recycling-plant-in-missouri/vi-AA1tiQZw?ocid=socialshare&pc=HCTS&cvid=13cafb9553b94d829228af868ea1a46f&ei=85
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,299
    Wow…

    That burned up a lot of carbon reduction credits….call the EPA police
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,114
    So green.....

    Tom
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,782
    edited November 2
    Not to worry.

    Our authorities are on top of the situation.
    Might be a good time to invest in Roche, the makers of Boniva.
    The toxic chemicals contained in the smoke from the lthium fire are REAL good for leaching calcium from bones
    We can anticipate mysterious increasing cases of diagnosed osteoporosis from those even briefly exposed to fumes.
    Big Pharma can step in and supply the Black Labeled "Boniva" to make the bones appear to be okay on X-Rays
    And that's what's important, that things appear to be fine
    Sure, Little Timmy's now brittle bones snap when he gets out of bed in the morning, bur c'mon, PROFITS, people, PROFITS
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    Sal Palooza
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  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 5,596
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/dramatic-video-shows-explosion-at-large-battery-recycling-plant-in-missouri/vi-AA1tiQZw?ocid=socialshare&pc=HCTS&cvid=13cafb9553b94d829228af868ea1a46f&ei=85

    That's gonna leave a mark.
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    There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January. by Dr. Sardonicus
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,772
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,948
    Sal's Nissan Leaf
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,836
    Sal doesn't have the Leaf anymore. He has a poverty spec Tesla Model 3
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  • la2vegas
    la2vegas Posts: 674
    Jstas wrote: »
    Sal doesn't have the Leaf anymore. He has a poverty spec Tesla Model 3

    Moving on up...
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,885
    Not quite on topic, but close enough... :#
    https://autos.yahoo.com/former-stellantis-ceo-tavares-ordered-171300150.html
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,643
    Could we see the return of the hemi? I hope so.
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  • bcwsrt
    bcwsrt Posts: 1,915
    https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1145261_everybody-wanted-to-keep-the-hemi-except-stellantis-former-ceo-according-to-sources
    Brian

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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,299
    They should have kept the Eco Diesel….I wanted one

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  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,651
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    They should have kept the Eco Diesel….I wanted one

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    Except for the fact that it had massive amounts of problems. Everything from main bearing failures to EGR and high pressure fuel pump issues that ultimately would cause catastrophic engine failures. And this wasn't on high mileage examples but some with as few as 25k on the clock.
    Between my brother and his former boss, they owned 3 of them...2 of which had engines replaced under warranty and had less than 50K each.
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 6,803
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    They should have kept the Eco Diesel….I wanted one

    Except for the fact that it had massive amounts of problems. Everything from main bearing failures to EGR and high pressure fuel pump issues that ultimately would cause catastrophic engine failures. And this wasn't on high mileage examples but some with as few as 25k on the clock.
    Between my brother and his former boss, they owned 3 of them...2 of which had engines replaced under warranty and had less than 50K each.

    It seems all of these smaller truck diesels have become a failure. Ford had issues, GM is having issue with their straight 6 3.0 diesel as well. I was excited when they were announced and I really wanted a Grand Cherokee with that engine. I ended up with a VW Touareg TDI instead which was largely reliable for me, at least through 110,000 miles. I sold it before the TDI Extended warranty expired. The VW's engine itself was solid, but the SCR/DEF system was very problematic.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,114
    Here is the way I look at it. Thanks to regulations, companies/manufacturers had to scrap all of the tried and true designs because vehicles were failing to meet the ever increasing mileage and "green" initiatives.

    So, instead of delivering a vehicle with a proven track record....companies were forced to make transmissions with many more gears, scrap engines that were reliable workhorses for new and "efficient" ones. No longer were they able to sell what worked. They had to re-imagine everything and the marketplace had to bear the brunt of unproven failures that were bound to happen with new designs.

    Case in point. My transmission has hauled over 10Klbs for years on end. Sometimes on very long trips and definitely often, while I was in town for work. That same transmission has had zero service to it and it will soon hit the half a million mile mark. Take a 2016 brand new, less than 50K mile tranny on a new truck and it may have already been replaced. Even without any towing by the truck.

    Yes, if they put in the old school, reliable, tried and true transmission into the new trucks? They wouldn't meet the standards for emissions/mileage. But, at least the marketplace wouldn't have to bear the brunt of such costly repairs when those same components weren't even "broken in" yet, by old school standards.

    Tom
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,547
    edited December 12
    Tom the big 3 went to congress and told them they had the technology to get much better gas mileage than we have today. BUT they needed congress and the petro industry to mandate a higher than 100+ octane fuel to get there. The big 3 would start producing motors that had super high compression. Remember when the big motors of yesteryear had piston compressions of 11.5-1 or higher? They had motors developed that achieved much higher mileage than mandated. The kicker was the price of premium fuel. IF all they made was fuel to run higher compression motors then the price of fuel would come down because the oil companies would no longer make 87-93 octane fuel saving them money in the production costs which would make the 100+ octane fuel just a bit more than we are paying for reg 87 octane fuel now.
    BUT the all powerful folks in congress was worried about all the vehicles on the road now that need 87 octane fuel. I'm sure most of us here are aware that those vehicles would run just fine. I'm sure more than just myself have run high octane fuel with no problems what so ever. Did it make my truck or car go faster, NO. Did I get better mileage---NO. Did my engine blow up, No.
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 6,803
    edited December 12
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    .... IF all they made was fuel to run higher compression motors then the price of fuel would come down because the oil companies would no longer make 87-93 octane fuel saving them money in the production costs which would make the 100+ octane fuel just a bit more than we are paying for reg 87 octane fuel now.

    I think you are confused about how petroleum refining works. Higher octane ratings come from a myriad of factors, but there are limitations of what can come out of each barrel of crude. To make things simple, higher octane rating requires blending more of the the best molecules out of that distillation tower and there is only so much of that to go around. Lower octane is easier to achieve. There are some chemical processes they can do to raise the octane rating, but nothing is free. There is no way that gasoline would be cheaper if it was all 100 octane.
    Have you ever wondered why Premium Fuel on the West Coast is typically 91 octane and in the East it is 93? Look into that. Its because of limited supply and greater demand on the West Coast. The can't make enough 93 so they settled on 91.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,643
    I can remember going to Sunoco and tanking up on race fuel for next to nothing getting ready for a little Saturday night action.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,547
    edited December 12
    Have you ever wondered why Premium Fuel on the West Coast is typically 91 octane and in the East it is 93? Look into that. Its because of limited supply and greater demand on the West Coast. The can't make enough 93 so they settled on 91.
    Altitude has a lot to do with it as well. In my area premium is listed anywhere from 91 to 94 octane here in Illinois depending on manufacturer, Shell, Mobil or BP/Amoco.

    I know I'm dumb as hell on how the molecules are cracked.
    I also know that Rockefeller's Standard Oil was flushing "gasoline" down the pipes into the rivers because it was a byproduct of the manufacturing of kerosene. It was far too volatile to use for anything at that time, well until Henry Ford came along and had a need for something that volatile.
    I'm just loosely reporting what I had read from our government reporting papers at my job.
    As far as the manufacturing Oil companies did mention that they would need to build new manufacturing to accommodate. I'm not sure what exactly that entails, I took that as a more streamlined approach to the manufacturing.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,836
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,885
    edited December 14
    Jstas wrote: »
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    Back in the day, when the Taylors had a lot more cows and used to hay our back field, too. :)

    EDIT: oh, yeah, I forgot. Stupid Vanilla...
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    My son-in-law & I gave serious consideration to buying that truck when they put it up for sale some years back. :p
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  • SeleniumFalcon
    SeleniumFalcon Posts: 3,831
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,114
    https://www.torquenews.com/11826/tesla-cybertruck-frame-snaps-half-after-hitting-pothole-34000-4-months-fix-owner-says-most

    One pothole - vs - Cybertruck

    And the owner is still saying the Cybertruck is as tough as nails. *shakes head*

    Tom
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,885
    edited December 18
    https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/japans-honda-nissan-talks-merger-amid-ev-competition-nikkei-reports-2024-12-17/
    What could possibly go wrong?
    :#
    EDIT: I feel like Nissan would be a much better fit as part of the carefully curated Stellantis constellation of dud automobile brands, wouldn't it? ;)

    Maybe Jaguar, too. :|
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