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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,391
    Allright, boys. I asked Ken to kill the thread. My issue was with how some of you pile on people you don't agree with. Thanks for validating my concerns.

    And with that I wish you a happy new year and I'll stay off this forum.

    Welcome to the forum, and Hopefully you will stay!
    The forum is fairly good with Polk knowledge, and if you are able to ignore certain comments, you will find it fun and a great resource of speaker knowledge.

    Again, reconsider please!
    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4,SDA 3.1TL, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
    B+W-Sold
    Epos-Now gone
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
    Yamaha A-S801
    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
    Harman Kardon Hk-350i
    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,687
    K_M wrote: »
    polrbehr wrote: »
    Allright, boys. I asked Ken to kill the thread. My issue was with how some of you pile on people you don't agree with. Thanks for validating my concerns.

    And with that I wish you a happy new year and I'll stay off this forum.

    I say this because once upon a time, after I offered up a cable for people to try for themselves, no one accepted. I honestly didn't give a damn if there was a difference heard or not, I had zero expectations and would have accepted any reviews as truthful. And yet, no one bothered. I wonder why.



    Catch 22.

    Someone skeptical takes up your offer, and says "ehh no improvement or change" they get told they "lack hearing ability, do not know what to listen for, or they do not have resolving enough equipment"

    Several "pile on"
    Happens in every cable thread.

    But no one questions a claim of an improvement, no matter how grand the description or how impossible it seems.

    Double standard.
    Any positive claim, no matter how huge or possibly inflated is never to be questioned, never requires any proof.

    That to me and many is the crux of the issue.
    You either believe the "Claims" or disagree and get piled on....





    There's your passive aggressive character trait again.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,986
    verb wrote: »
    Well this was a great read for kicking off 2019! I'm glad @KennethSwauger it's not closed.

    Data, analysis, opinions, facts, experimentation, history, passion, and yes, bantering - all the necessary ingredients for a great thread!

    Getting my learn on along my journey! I'm at the point now (I believe) where my gear will show differences in performance with cables. Looking forward to it!

    Keep it up fellas! And gals! :smile:

    Yes, bantering.

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  • mark090852mark090852 Posts: 937
    K_M wrote: »
    polrbehr wrote: »
    Allright, boys. I asked Ken to kill the thread. My issue was with how some of you pile on people you don't agree with. Thanks for validating my concerns.

    And with that I wish you a happy new year and I'll stay off this forum.

    I say this because once upon a time, after I offered up a cable for people to try for themselves, no one accepted. I honestly didn't give a damn if there was a difference heard or not, I had zero expectations and would have accepted any reviews as truthful. And yet, no one bothered. I wonder why.



    Catch 22.

    Someone skeptical takes up your offer, and says "ehh no improvement or change" they get told they "lack hearing ability, do not know what to listen for, or they do not have resolving enough equipment"

    Several "pile on"
    Happens in every cable thread.

    But no one questions a claim of an improvement, no matter how grand the description or how impossible it seems.

    Double standard.
    Any positive claim, no matter how huge or possibly inflated is never to be questioned, never requires any proof.

    That to me and many is the crux of the issue.
    You either believe the "Claims" or disagree and get piled on....





    @K_M , I have to say I believe you are right in your assessment. It certainly is not a "neutral playing field" around here, or, for that matter, most other forums on the internet. Most folks already have an opinion, and do not want the internal conflict caused by giving credence to opposite opinions. So, unfortunately, a lot of "piling on" does occur.

    My comments in the previous paragraph were not intended to support or disagree with the "cable argument". Since I have not tried anything other than entry level cables, I do not, as of yet, have any real opinion regarding the ability of cables to make a significant sonic difference. I hope, someday, to be able to try some for myself, and then will form an opinion based on my own experience. In the meantime, I wish I could read more discussions about cables without the attached emotional responses. It would be enlightening to me, for example, to be able to read about people who have conducted blind comparisons with different cables in their own home with their own equipment. It's not hard to do, and it's not hard to write about. In fact, if and when I am able to step up to "better" cables, that is exactly what I am going to do.

    Happy New Year, everyone. Breathe in...breathe out...move on.
    McIntosh MA252 Integrated Amp, LUMIN D2 Network Music Player, Yamaha Aventage RX-A840 receiver, Emotiva XPA Gen3 2 channel amp, Polk LSiM 703 speakers. Oppo UDP-203 Blu-Ray player, Polk LSiM 705 speakers. Polk Signature S20 speakers.
  • verbverb Posts: 7,648
    edited January 1
    Reading this thread while enjoying my flea power Bottlehead rig! :smile:

    Just finished organizing my Pangea IC’s, Douglas Connection speaker cables, and, oh no! A stock power cord! :smile:
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    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,391
    verb wrote: »
    Reading this thread while enjoying my flea power Bottlehead rig! :smile:

    Just finished organizing my Pangea IC’s, Douglas Connection speaker cables, and, oh no! A stock power cord! :smile:

    Once you move up to Hamster powered, you will never look back!

    Happy new years!

    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4,SDA 3.1TL, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
    B+W-Sold
    Epos-Now gone
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
    Yamaha A-S801
    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
    Harman Kardon Hk-350i
    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,313
    K_M wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    Reading this thread while enjoying my flea power Bottlehead rig! :smile:

    Just finished organizing my Pangea IC’s, Douglas Connection speaker cables, and, oh no! A stock power cord! :smile:

    Once you move up to Hamster powered, you will never look back!

    Happy new years!

    The trick is getting them to stay in that darn wheel.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,687
    mark090852 wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    polrbehr wrote: »
    Allright, boys. I asked Ken to kill the thread. My issue was with how some of you pile on people you don't agree with. Thanks for validating my concerns.

    And with that I wish you a happy new year and I'll stay off this forum.

    I say this because once upon a time, after I offered up a cable for people to try for themselves, no one accepted. I honestly didn't give a damn if there was a difference heard or not, I had zero expectations and would have accepted any reviews as truthful. And yet, no one bothered. I wonder why.



    Catch 22.

    Someone skeptical takes up your offer, and says "ehh no improvement or change" they get told they "lack hearing ability, do not know what to listen for, or they do not have resolving enough equipment"

    Several "pile on"
    Happens in every cable thread.

    But no one questions a claim of an improvement, no matter how grand the description or how impossible it seems.

    Double standard.
    Any positive claim, no matter how huge or possibly inflated is never to be questioned, never requires any proof.

    That to me and many is the crux of the issue.
    You either believe the "Claims" or disagree and get piled on....





    @K_M , I have to say I believe you are right in your assessment. It certainly is not a "neutral playing field" around here, or, for that matter, most other forums on the internet. Most folks already have an opinion, and do not want the internal conflict caused by giving credence to opposite opinions. So, unfortunately, a lot of "piling on" does occur.

    My comments in the previous paragraph were not intended to support or disagree with the "cable argument". Since I have not tried anything other than entry level cables, I do not, as of yet, have any real opinion regarding the ability of cables to make a significant sonic difference. I hope, someday, to be able to try some for myself, and then will form an opinion based on my own experience. In the meantime, I wish I could read more discussions about cables without the attached emotional responses. It would be enlightening to me, for example, to be able to read about people who have conducted blind comparisons with different cables in their own home with their own equipment. It's not hard to do, and it's not hard to write about. In fact, if and when I am able to step up to "better" cables, that is exactly what I am going to do.

    Happy New Year, everyone. Breathe in...breathe out...move on.

    The problem is that whenever someone asks about cables, in this case the best speaker cables, some people feel compiled to jump in saying they can't hear a difference, expensive cables are snake oil, etc., etc. Comments such as those are not even on topic. Yet the same individuals repeat that behavior time and time again. It's unnecessary, unwelcome and way beyond old. IMO, repeat offenders should be banished from such topics.

    Again, the topic is what are the best speaker cables, nothing else!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,584
    Starting now...
    If anyone asks about speaker cables we will ask them to reach out to K_M because she knows best, and has all the cable answers.
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    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
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  • polrbehrpolrbehr Posts: 2,384
    verb wrote: »
    Reading this thread while enjoying my flea power Bottlehead rig! :smile:

    Just finished organizing my Pangea IC’s, Douglas Connection speaker cables, and, oh no! A stock power cord! :smile:
    You can stop fishing now, if I can find that Pangea power cable I was willing to send
    out, I'll send you a PM. Fair enough? LOL

    @K_M, it was not a Catch-22. I put no conditions on the trial, other than asking someone to post what they thought. THOUGHT. Listen to whatever you want on whatever you have, not difficult really. People "pile on" to people who dismiss something out of hand, or demand proof of a change being heard. That's pretty tough to do with something as subjective as listening to audio on your own gear. The opposite also holds true; why would I try to tell someone they didn't hear something if they say they did? Again, not that difficult.
    So you either believe the "claims", or disagree and ... try it for yourself.


    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


    http://audiomilitia.proboards.com/
  • verbverb Posts: 7,648
    Thanks @polrbehr ! I was not astute enough to make that implication, but you're on! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,986
    me, too, but I keep shuffling back to it.

    Actually, to me (and FWIW) the interesting thing about threads like this is the discussion itself, as opposed to the topic.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,093
    Milito wrote: »
    Upgraded my no name interconnects yesterday to AudioQuest Black Mamba II Audio Interconnects going from my Yamaha 2070 to my Outlaw 5000 and noticed a big improvement in sound.

    nice now I want some
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

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    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

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    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

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  • gdphotogdphoto Posts: 149
    Sorry to get back on topic, but I just listened to my new DYI cables for about an hour and now they seem a bit bright. Getting back to my earlier question, do speaker cables need time to break in? What I hear now is reminiscent, but now as bad, as when I had my XO's rebuilt and upgraded to RDO194's. Back then the sound was bright and even a little raspy. After about 200 hours, as per F1's advise, they were completely settled in and now sound great. Now with the cable switch, so far, I feel like I am back there again, a bit. Should I wait awhile before passing judgment, or is this a case of it is what it is?
    Hafler DH220 Power amp Recapped
    Hafler DH110 Preamp Recapped
    Hafler Digital FM Tuner
    Virtue Audio M1 Piano CD Player
    Technics SL-1210-MK5 with a Rega Exact Cartridge
    Polk SDA1c's(Rebuilt XO's by Ben) RDO194 Tweeters
  • verbverb Posts: 7,648
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    On Another board I frequent, cable topics are reserved for those who only have something positive to contribute, and usually arguments by naysayers are deleted by mods, as they usually have very little to contribute to the conversation. It’s interesting because conversations stay on topic, and we don’t have cable non-believers coming out of the wood work to try to “save us from ourselves”.

    That's a concept! Now I wonder how many "Cables don't matter" threads are out there? Outside of CP, of course! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,687
    In my experience cable burn in is real, so give them time. One thing you can try is listen to a few favorites taking notes about the sound. After 100 hours do the same, then compare notes.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • gdphotogdphoto Posts: 149
    Makes sense.
    Hafler DH220 Power amp Recapped
    Hafler DH110 Preamp Recapped
    Hafler Digital FM Tuner
    Virtue Audio M1 Piano CD Player
    Technics SL-1210-MK5 with a Rega Exact Cartridge
    Polk SDA1c's(Rebuilt XO's by Ben) RDO194 Tweeters
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,313
    I bought some Zu audio jumpers and they sent paperwork that stated their wires need a good amount of break in time. So even some wire manufacturers believe it as well.
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 2,056
    You lost weight
  • PSOVLSKPSOVLSK Posts: 4,111
    Allright, boys. I asked Ken to kill the thread. My issue was with how some of you pile on people you don't agree with. Thanks for validating my concerns.

    And with that I wish you a happy new year and I'll stay off this forum.

    First off, good on you for stepping to the plate and admitting that you requested the thread be closed.

    BUT...if you don't like it, can't you just not view the thread??? Also, I honestly haven't seen anything too bad on this thread. I probably had to the most inflammatory post (which really wasn't that bad) and Ken edited it. This has really been one of the most civil cable debates I've seen on the forum.

    As much as I generally disagree with K_M on cable matters, I do tend to agree that some people exaggerate the difference cables make. I don't feel this is common, but I've heard people who have gotten new cables describe the difference as something akin to going from Polk R15 speakers to Polk LSiM 703 speakers. Maybe it's true, but I've never experienced anything near that dramatic.

    Bottom line: If you can hear a difference in cables, too bad, you're gonna be out a little more cash. If you can't hear a difference, congratulations, you just saved some money.
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,391
    tonyb wrote: »
    Gotta throw my .02 into this, no offense to anyone.

    Cable threads are the most confrontational of all audio topics. Please don't even comment if you can't add to the discussion, or at least politely ask questions in the spirit of learning something.

    We are all at different points on the audio journey path, and we accept the fact some may not be as knowledgeable as others. It's ok to ask questions, debate, even disagree, but when you do so just to stir the pot, this is where Ken should step in and delete those posts.....not the whole thread.

    In my view, this forum has always been about learning, experiencing new things, with a variety of view points and opinions from the vast membership from all walks of life. Much of this audio thing is all about trial and error, individual preferences, a path to better sound. If you don't subscribe to learning, or advancing your knowledge about all things audio related, then you should rethink why your even a member of an audio forum.

    But see you entirely miss the point many are making...completely.

    But you are not able to even understand what some are trying to get across.
    I read some very very verbose and flowery descriptions about cables making some unreal positive change in what a person "says" they hear.

    That is fine, but it is obviously exaggeration to a huge degree.
    We all know cables can only make a small difference.
    That is why it is for most intents there is not much to measure.
    It is not based on some magic inventions, it is electric flowing through a conductor, and engineers totally understand how it works. There is simply no magic involved.

    The hugely exaggerated claims, (which oddly enough can not be measure not discerned by blind testing conveniently enough) are the actual issue that causes the bickering.

    Add in to the mix, that simple human factors such as bias, expectations, post purchase rationalization etc etc factor in, there is nothing reliable, beyond a very well written anecdotal description.

    You can not simply give benefit of the doubt to those posts, and then be upset when someone tries to bring some logic to the table, or simply can not wade through all the hyperbole.

    You are condescending to say that it is about learning or experience, and at the same time seem completely obtuse to other REAL life factors in play such as expectations, and purchase rationalization being part of it.

    If everything matter so much as you are wont to say, then the human factor is right up there also.
    You can not have it both ways.

    A cable can not make a night and day difference yet be unable to be measured differently nor sussed out in a blind test.

    Huge claims require huge proof.
    If EVERYTHING matters, you would think that does also.
    You can not put out what you "Think" and think the world must live by those rules, but you must not...
    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4,SDA 3.1TL, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
    B+W-Sold
    Epos-Now gone
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
    Yamaha A-S801
    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
    Harman Kardon Hk-350i
    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,391
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    I bought some Zu audio jumpers and they sent paperwork that stated their wires need a good amount of break in time. So even some wire manufacturers believe it as well.

    "Break in" coming from a manufacturer means, if you do not hear what you expect to hear right away, they do not want you to return the item.
    If you give it time to "Break in" the longer you own them the less likely you will be inclined to return something.
    And usually over time, ones feelings of disappointment lessen and you simply do not care as much.

    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4,SDA 3.1TL, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
    B+W-Sold
    Epos-Now gone
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
    Yamaha A-S801
    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
    Harman Kardon Hk-350i
    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,391
    edited January 2
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    On Another board I frequent, cable topics are reserved for those who only have something positive to contribute, and usually arguments by naysayers are deleted by mods, as they usually have very little to contribute to the conversation. It’s interesting becuase conversations stay on topic, and we don’t have cable non-believers coming out of the wood work to try to “save us from ourselves”.

    I suppose that works when people seek positive reinforcement about a purchase.

    I know when I buy something and later read bad reviews. I get upset also. I like to see good things, it gives you that "good warm feeling", and reading something negative makes me not like my purchase as much or have feelings I do not like.

    Maybe a good idea, maybe not.
    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4,SDA 3.1TL, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
    B+W-Sold
    Epos-Now gone
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
    Yamaha A-S801
    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
    Harman Kardon Hk-350i
    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

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