VTL 2.5 PreAmp in the House!

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  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    edited December 2018
    The tube power amp/SS preamp is a pretty special combination as well. You should try that one some day as well. :p B) :p B)

    Are you making a statement? :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 18,947
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  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 1,635
    The tube power amp/SS preamp is a pretty special combination as well. You should try that one some day as well. :p B) :p B)

    I’ve got a SS pre that you can try, assuming you have a tubed amp . . .
    An Adcom GFA-750 w/ a passive setting, blue boards of course
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    Source PSA PWT & Oppo 105
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    Pre Cary SLP-98 F1
    Center Salk HT2C
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  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    GlennDog wrote: »
    The tube power amp/SS preamp is a pretty special combination as well. You should try that one some day as well. :p B) :p B)

    I’ve got a SS pre that you can try, assuming you have a tubed amp . . .
    An Adcom GFA-750 w/ a passive setting, blue boards of course

    Folks @GlennDog is good people! One of many members that makes CP such a special place!
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 12,087
    GlennDog wrote: »
    The tube power amp/SS preamp is a pretty special combination as well. You should try that one some day as well. :p B) :p B)

    I’ve got a SS pre that you can try, assuming you have a tubed amp . . .
    An Adcom GFA-750 w/ a passive setting, blue boards of course

    Yea that is one that got away from me years back. One of several i wanted to buy.
  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    edited December 2018
    That's a nice looking piece! GFP-750.
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    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 6,839
    edited December 2018
    I agree with wanting one forever.

    Now that I have 555II's, the want is even greater. Maybe one day...

    Is there another color of board beside this blue?
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    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 12,087
    Tony M wrote: »
    I agree with wanting one forever.

    Now that I have 555II's, the want is even greater. Maybe one day...

    Is there another color of board beside this blue?
    wdmk25bi0rgm.png

    yes I believe it may of been the parts they used on the board itself not the color of the board per-say .



    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/99974/adcom-gfp-750-blue-boards
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 6,839
    Thanks!

    That link explained a lot for us looking to still purchase one on the used market.

    Go USA. ;)
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  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    edited December 2018
    Yesterday I was at our local electronics repair shop with my VTL, for a quick check, before I ventured into the relay switch replacement. Just wanted a second opinion before surgery, if you know what I mean.

    Well, he checked it out, and the diagnosis was a bad tube! The bias mismatch between the tubes was severe enough for the relays to act erratically. He popped in a set of shop tubes (12AU7's and 12AT7's), and the thing was operating normally!

    Everything was operating to specification, and received a compliment on how sweet this thing sounds!

    For me, some hints this newbie got, in retrospect.
    I noticed a slight hissing sound when the unit was powered on previously. Regardless of volume setting. I read a lot about it here on the forum, and attributed it to being normal. Probably a sign of a tube going bad?

    However today, when I put a full compliment of new tubes in (CBS 12AT7's from @heiney9 and the spare Mullards 12AU7's that came with it) it is now dead quiet.

    So far, so good. Happy camper now, albeit with a little anxiety while the unit is warmed up and playing.

    The learning continues! As always, thanks everyone for your advice and support!

    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
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    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 12,087
    yep first thing on tube stuff rule out tubes, After all most are older that you ;)
  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 23,921
    Any tube gear issues, always, always start with the tubes. The number one thing is to clean the PINS. 95% of my issues (not as drastic as your issue) were solved by removing/replacing and/or cleaning the PINS on the same tube.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

    Pass Aleph 30 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Plus DAC | MIT Shotgun S3 | MIT Z P/C's | updated SDA 1C| SQ Box Touch/Welbourne Labs P/S- Tubes add soul!
  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    Yep. I'm gonna do that tonight. Clean the pins. Thanks!

    Nothing like tube rolling, under duress! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    F1nut wrote: »
    Ha sorry Dave, I should have asked if you tried changing the tubes.

    No worries Jesse! I got a learning going on! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    yep first thing on tube stuff rule out tubes, After all most are older that you ;)

    Hehe! The CBS's are circa 1950! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,391
    Man, we all fell flat on this one. Tubes should have been the first thing to look at, we just assumed you did.

    For future reference, most older tubed gear is built like a brick crap house, tubes are usually the only thing causing weird noises but that's not to say something else will never go bad either. Always change out tubes first, when trying to figure out whats up. We all knew better but somehow just never mentioned it. I have an excuse though, I'm old...maybe vintage is a better word. :p
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 18,947
    Did you check the tubes to make sure they were up to snuff? Generally, the first thing to look at with tube gear would be the tubes.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds



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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 12,087
    edited December 2018
    Did you check the tubes to make sure they were up to snuff? Generally, the first thing to look at with tube gear would be the tubes.

    Captain obvious :D :D :D

    LOL
  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    No worries @tonyb I attribute this to me being a newbie.
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    Did you check the tubes to make sure they were up to snuff? Generally, the first thing to look at with tube gear would be the tubes.

    Ah, no. Dear Lord I gotta get a tube tester? Answer - yes. Last time I was in the drug store all the tube testers were gone! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,391
    To be completely honest, I never heard of a bad tube causing a relay to "click" like you described, so I learned something new here myself.

    All is good so that's what counts. Hang on to the Cary and do a comparison. That puppy is no slouch in it's own right too.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 23,921
    tonyb wrote: »
    To be completely honest, I never heard of a bad tube causing a relay to "click" like you described, so I learned something new here myself.

    All is good so that's what counts. Hang on to the Cary and do a comparison. That puppy is no slouch in it's own right too.


    Especially a signal tube. Signal tubes get noisy when they are worn out, rarely will it cause any sort of fuse, relay, protection issue. But there are always exceptions to the general rule.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

    Pass Aleph 30 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Plus DAC | MIT Shotgun S3 | MIT Z P/C's | updated SDA 1C| SQ Box Touch/Welbourne Labs P/S- Tubes add soul!
  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    Yep. Will do. Right now just got back from running errands. VTL has been on the whole time. 2 hours at least. So far so good.
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    Newbie question. I’m assuming new tubes, either brand new or NOS, require some burn in time. Correct?
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 1,635
    edited December 2018
    F1nut wrote: »
    Dave, can you put the original tubes back AFTER cleaning the pins to see if the issue still exists?

    Fixed is for ya!

    Glad it was a simple fix, Dave
    Power Rogue M180 monos & Adcom GFA 5802
    PS Audio PerfectWave Power Plant 10
    Rears Definitive Technology BP-2
    DAC North Star Design Supremo
    Source PSA PWT & Oppo 105
    Pre/Pro Integra DHC 40.1
    LCD Samsung LN46B750
    Mains Salk HT2-TL
    Pre Cary SLP-98 F1
    Center Salk HT2C
    Wires MIT S3.3
    PSA PC AC-12
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 12,087
    verb wrote: »
    Newbie question. I’m assuming new tubes, either brand new or NOS, require some burn in time. Correct?

    Guaranteed brand new yes but tubes could actually have some hours on them and test as new.
  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    Been running the VTL for past 2 weekends, maybe 4 hours total. No issues with the new tubes! VTL is running good! Happy camper here! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • verbverb Posts: 4,472
    edited January 6
    So I finally had a chance to compare @GlennDog Cary SLP-98L to my first, and beloved VTL 2.5 tube preamp!

    First and foremost, I'm an engineer, so design of experiments is what I do all day every day. I try to limit the number of variables, and iterate on them to collect data.

    In this test, everything else the same, the only variable was the preamp.

    My Rest Rig:
    EAD T-1000 transport
    Northstar Designs DAC
    Wireworld Oasis 8 IC's
    McIntosh MC300 Power Amp
    All being fed (amp is plugged into the wall socket) by a Furman PFi-15 elite power conditioner. Pangea AC14 SE MK2 power cords used throughout. Stock power cord for the amp.

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    Music:
    Juno Reactor - Bible of Dreams
    Pet Shop Boys - Disco 3
    Deadmau5 - 4x4=12
    Tosca - Suzuki

    Another tool I use at work to collate data for easy comparison is called a Pugh matrix:
    Being a newbie to the Audiophile world, I chose certain parameters whose definition I could understand readily, for comparison. I gave an overall rating to each.

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    So here the edge goes to the Cary. That was not totally unexpected, considering the prices they go for on the used market. Overall the Cary sounds a bit more tube-like than the VTL. However, the VTL is certainly no slouch. There are plenty of accolades out there from happy customers of both units.

    I am really enjoying the Cary in my rig right now! It is certainly a wonderful sounding and beautiful piece of equipment. Dog you may not get her back for some time! :smile:

    For me, I love the VTL. I'm gonna keep her. Got some tube rolling to do, perhaps dial it in a bit more to approach the Cary, if possible. Now that I know what I'm looking for.

    Just lastly wanted to mention a very special thanks to @GlennDog for his generosity in letting me play with the Cary. He is truly a special person, one whom I just recently met, but consider a cherished friend. Thank you Glenn! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
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