Which would yield the better performance gain-high end interconnects or spk.wire?

David7544

wow......you must be some kind of genius. Read your own post , and look hard at your picture.

tonyb

David7544 wrote: »

wow......you must be some kind of genius. Read your own post , and look hard at your picture.

You don't know what the picture is about or referenced to....just like many other things. Oh well, those that don't know, just don't know.

Jimbo18

<munch munch>

tonyb

extra butter and salt on mine please.....and a hot pretzel, may be a long one.

tonyb

Lets start over David, how about you tell us how you came to your conclusions, what experience you have with various cable brands and price points, and on what associated gear. Reasonable request, no ?

David7544

my response was directed to F1nut.

tonyb

David7544 wrote: »

my response was directed to F1nut.

He'll answer when he can, but for right now, can you answer my questions please.

F1nut

David7544 wrote: »

wow......you must be some kind of genius. Read your own post , and look hard at your picture.

Thanks, at least you got that right. Yes, I am a handsome devil.

F1nut

Tony, I hope you're not holding your breath.

tratliff

Tony not sure you are going to get an answer but you may want to review this discussion for setting the stage...

http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/comment/2084774/#Comment_2084774

heiney9

Come on guys, don't feed the trolls.

He is either extremely naïve, or is just stirring the pot or not interested in approaching this subject with an open mind. His presence and his post(s) have absolutely no value at this point as he is just parroting.

H9

heiney9

tratliff wrote: »

Tony not sure you are going to get an answer but you may want to review this discussion for setting the stage...

http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/comment/2084774/#Comment_2084774

Oh yeah, he's a case alright

tratliff

David7544 wrote: »

I've been an audiophile for 40 years, and I can't think of any scientific reason why separate amp/pre should sound better than a good AVR. Or why my system sometimes sounds real good and sometimes it sounds like crap. Unlistenable crap. I suspect there is a lot more going on in our heads than we think, or are aware of. This is why differences in sound quality tend to disappear in blind testing. Also humans have poor auditory memory. Our visual memory is good, but we have almost zero auditory memory. Iv'e tried to compare CD to SACD by playing each one after the other, and my brain just can't do it. I suspect that those who claim to hear a difference are simply not aware of their own preconception bias. But maybe their ears are better than mine. I still love gear, and my next purchase is gonna be Martin Logan electrostatics. Maybe the superior resolution of the new speakers will reveal these differences in sound quality? My current ones are Polk Rtia5's. Also I wan't to order a Marantz reference integrated. Is anyone here familiar with this amp?

This one is also pretty classic. From discussion:
http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/comment/2181795/#Comment_2181795


My work here is done. I will sit back and watch for now. Good times....

David7544

I love you guys. One more time;
a properly designed wire does not "sound like" anything.
any fool who spends a thousand dollars on wires would do better to donate $980.00 to their favorite charity and spend the other twenty bucks on the wires.
Not only will their sound be good, but when they go to meet their maker, they'll have a lot less explaining to do.

F1nut

LOL.....to borrow your line David, you make my argument for me. School is out.

lightman1

Thread boogering up coming soon. Stay tuned.

tonyb

David7544 wrote: »

I love you guys. One more time;
a properly designed wire does not "sound like" anything.
any fool who spends a thousand dollars on wires would do better to donate $980.00 to their favorite charity and spend the other twenty bucks on the wires.
Not only will their sound be good, but when they go to meet their maker, they'll have a lot less explaining to do.

Are you avoiding answering my questions ? I thought they were pretty straight forward. Opinions are welcome, opinions based on nothing are worth squat.

David7544

Tony, yes your question was good. I didn't see it on my computer at first. Seems like there's a delay until posts appear when I'm online.
You're right, I have not experimented with a lot of wires. I have tried a few. I don't hear any difference between wires.
My experience has been that if I don't know which wire I'm listening to, there is no difference. My buddy demonstrated for me an expensive audioquest interconnect and a cheap monster interconnect without telling me which was which.
I couldn't hear any difference.
My opinion is based mostly on common sense.
Thing is, digital audio is a binary number stream. There is no "sound quality". It's a sequence of ones and zeros. Ones and zeros are all the same, would you agree?

afterburnt

I am a bit confused, what kind of hot dogs should I try?

marvda1

David7544 wrote: »

I love you guys. One more time;
a properly designed wire does not "sound like" anything.
any fool who spends a thousand dollars on wires would do better to donate $980.00 to their favorite charity and spend the other twenty bucks on the wires.
Not only will their sound be good, but when they go to meet their maker, they'll have a lot less explaining to do.

if the wire should not sound like anything, how do you know what the equipment sounds like? are you listening to the wire or the equipment? how do you get a baseline on the sound? now if i could listen to the equipment without using wires... i would know what the wire sounds like, then again i wouldn't need wires would i?
too much houch.

K_M

afterburnt wrote: »

I am a bit confused, what kind of hot dogs should I try?

Jared Fogle said try the Footlongs

BlueFox

David7544 wrote: »

As long as you're using wires (either speaker or interconnects) of acceptable quality, (12 gauge speaker wire and properly constructed interconnects), neither will have any audible effect on sound quality. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand the basics of audio signal transfer. Audiophools will dispute this, but their opinion does not change the facts of physics. A wire does not "sound like" anything. If it does, it is defective. A perfect wire is nonexistent in the audio chain.

LOL. Good one.

lightman1

afterburnt wrote: »

I am a bit confused, what kind of hot dogs should I try?

Nathan's or Boars Head all beef. Better flavor control.
Don't try those eerie looking red ones in the 24 pack. Cheap product has an inferior taste. I can tell a difference.
YMMV.

Hebrew Nation is the MIT of the frankenfurter world. I've tried most in my hotdog journey. I'm sure there may be better out there. But I know I cannot speak of them in an objective manner.

Thnx
Hot Dog Russ. The King of Weiners.

afterburnt

I wish I could still get those Hebrew Nationals that were still strung together. Used to get them at the service deli at just about any supermarket.

voltz

I use to like Nathans, but they all taste the same!

K_M

marvda1 wrote: »

David7544 wrote: »

I love you guys. One more time;
a properly designed wire does not "sound like" anything.
any fool who spends a thousand dollars on wires would do better to donate $980.00 to their favorite charity and spend the other twenty bucks on the wires.
Not only will their sound be good, but when they go to meet their maker, they'll have a lot less explaining to do.

if the wire should not sound like anything, how do you know what the equipment sounds like? are you listening to the wire or the equipment? how do you get a baseline on the sound? now if i could listen to the equipment without using wires... i would know what the wire sounds like, then again i wouldn't need wires would i?
too much houch.

"Uhhhhh Dr. Evil, like about 23 years ago, they invented this thing called Wireless speakers, and well back then they cost like Ten MILLLLLLION Dollars........"

David7544

tratliff wrote: »

David7544 wrote: »

I've been an audiophile for 40 years, and I can't think of any scientific reason why separate amp/pre should sound better than a good AVR. Or why my system sometimes sounds real good and sometimes it sounds like crap. Unlistenable crap. I suspect there is a lot more going on in our heads than we think, or are aware of. This is why differences in sound quality tend to disappear in blind testing. Also humans have poor auditory memory. Our visual memory is good, but we have almost zero auditory memory. Iv'e tried to compare CD to SACD by playing each one after the other, and my brain just can't do it. I suspect that those who claim to hear a difference are simply not aware of their own preconception bias. But maybe their ears are better than mine. I still love gear, and my next purchase is gonna be Martin Logan electrostatics. Maybe the superior resolution of the new speakers will reveal these differences in sound quality? My current ones are Polk Rtia5's. Also I wan't to order a Marantz reference integrated. Is anyone here familiar with this amp?

This one is also pretty classic. From discussion:
http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/comment/2181795/#Comment_2181795


My work here is done. I will sit back and watch for now. Good times....

and......your point was what?

OleBoot

afterburnt wrote: »

I am a bit confused, what kind of hot dogs should I try?

If you look at the nutritional information on the back of the pack, and it is similar, the hot dogs will taste exactly the same. I have never eaten a hot dog.

lightman1

OleBoot wrote: »

afterburnt wrote: »

I am a bit confused, what kind of hot dogs should I try?

If you look at the nutritional information on the back of the pack, and it is similar, the hot dogs will taste exactly the same. I have never eaten a hot dog.

Then you, sir, have no qualifications to to judge the finer points of hot dog consumption.
Begone, Judas!

lightman1

David7544 wrote: »

tratliff wrote: »

David7544 wrote: »

I've been an audiophile for 40 years, and I can't think of any scientific reason why separate amp/pre should sound better than a good AVR. Or why my system sometimes sounds real good and sometimes it sounds like crap. Unlistenable crap. I suspect there is a lot more going on in our heads than we think, or are aware of. This is why differences in sound quality tend to disappear in blind testing. Also humans have poor auditory memory. Our visual memory is good, but we have almost zero auditory memory. Iv'e tried to compare CD to SACD by playing each one after the other, and my brain just can't do it. I suspect that those who claim to hear a difference are simply not aware of their own preconception bias. But maybe their ears are better than mine. I still love gear, and my next purchase is gonna be Martin Logan electrostatics. Maybe the superior resolution of the new speakers will reveal these differences in sound quality? My current ones are Polk Rtia5's. Also I wan't to order a Marantz reference integrated. Is anyone here familiar with this amp?

This one is also pretty classic. From discussion:
http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/comment/2181795/#Comment_2181795


My work here is done. I will sit back and watch for now. Good times....

and......your point was what?

Chicken bu tt!