Which would yield the better performance gain-high end interconnects or spk.wire?

tonyb

Great post CNH.
Education plays a part in everything.

heiney9

tonyb wrote: »

Great post CNH.
Education plays a part in everything.

I agree 1000%, but the naysayers in this thread aren't really interested in Educating themselves. Just parroting and generalizing that wire is wire. Plus, they already know it all.

H9

heiney9

They aren't your observations they are your assumptions.

tonyb

rmpolk wrote: »

Tony who and what are you referencing to// if your responding to me I was meerly giving my observation and tried to back it up with some relevant examples when grilled for a response
???

I was referencing your post asking for scientific data on the differences between human senses. I believe it's pretty standard knowledge that we all have different hearing, tastes, etc.....and that's what drives our preferences. The same reasons why you may like Scotch and I don't, why you prefer spicy food and I don't. Can we both like the same things ? Obviously yes, but to different degrees.

The whole idea of putting together a stereo system is to reproduce sound that is pleasing to the end user. That requires certain sound signatures between pieces and cables to either compliment each other or offset certain characteristics that are not pleasing. Cables play a roll in that, and if one think they have no influence on the sound they'd be sadly mistaken.

If you were to listen to supposedly the most accurate of speakers, gear and cables, the most supposedly scientifically correct, you'd probably run out of the room.

heiney9

You can then use your generalization to explain anything on any subject because you aren't using specific examples.

It's a nice, tidy, convenient way to avoid having to give any specific, concrete, solid brick examples/answers, etc.

Just say the average joe, the general population, the masses......blah, blah, blah.

Do some research on the specific subject and then come back with a counter point. Instead of using the crutch of "general", "average Joe".

H9

K_M

heiney9 wrote: »

tonyb wrote: »

Great post CNH.
Education plays a part in everything.

I agree 1000%, but the naysayers in this thread aren't really interested in Educating themselves. Just parroting and generalizing that wire is wire. Plus, they already know it all.

H9

Naysayers
Believers

Then there is the middle ground, the twilight zone.

(I think you are taking all of this too personally, and getting upset over nothing. Not everyone is going to come to the same conclusion you have. Realizing that and the possibility that even "that naysayer" could possibly be correct, is how I maintain happiness and a carefree internet personality.)

afterburnt

steveinaz wrote: »

There's a "hobby" element to this as well. When you're a car geek, you do all sorts of things to your car that other people would think was nuts; given the cost/performance ratio. But it's your "thing." It's no different with audiophiles. You want to know that you're eeking out every bit of performance that you can from your system by eliminating/improving upon possible weaknesses--of course, within a budget you can live with.

Hmmmm, high performance ignition wires for IC's or maybe IC's for ignition wires??? That's just silly.

I would rather talk about hot dogs. Way more interesting than going round and round with a guy that has like half of his post in this forum on this very thread. I don't really give a carp what he thinks about cables. I will debate him all day on the merits of one hot dog over another.

and my apologies to the OP are you even still here?

K_M

K_M wrote: »

heiney9 wrote: »

tonyb wrote: »

Great post CNH.
Education plays a part in everything.

I agree 1000%, but the naysayers in this thread aren't really interested in Educating themselves. Just parroting and generalizing that wire is wire. Plus, they already know it all.

H9

Naysayers
Believers

Then there is the middle ground, the twilight zone.

(I think you are taking all of this too personally and way too seriously, and getting upset over nothing. Not everyone is going to come to the same conclusion you have. Realizing that and the possibility that even "that naysayer" could possibly be correct, is how I maintain happiness and a carefree internet personality.)

[Deleted User]

I agree w/ @steveinaz (twice!) and @heiney9 in this thread for the most part.
The world is coming to an end and cables don't matter anymore

There is some misinformation in this thread as well but I just don't have the
energy or time to waste. I'm preparing for space travel.

steveinaz

Tony nailed it....actually TRY different cables and decide for yourself. Really go nuts and make some DIY cables and see how they compare.

heiney9

You guys don't get it, they aren't interested in finding out for themselves, they are only interested in telling us we don't hear the differences we hear and we spend too much $$$ on cables. And high end cables are a sham.

Has anyone of these trolls actually tried more than 1 or 2 different types of cable, or said they would be willing to try different cables to find out for themselves......nope...............they just want to stir the pot and fling the poo.

H9

[Deleted User]

I poot in there general direction.
They will only get so far in this hobby.
They might as well stick w/ the best integrated they can afford.

vmaxer

In other news, just received my second set, loving them.

tonyb

Cool man, nice cables.

This thread needs a snickers bar.

K_M

heiney9 wrote: »

You guys don't get it, they aren't interested in finding out for themselves, they are only interested in telling us we don't hear the differences we hear and we spend too much $$$ on cables. And high end cables are a sham.

Has anyone of these trolls actually tried more than 1 or 2 different types of cable, or said they would be willing to try different cables to find out for themselves......nope...............they just want to stir the pot and fling the poo.

H9

Seriously take a step back from your keyboard!
I picture a guy with his face beet red and his head ready to explode...!

I see no trolls, and no one stirring a pot of poo. I see different views being expressed, for the most part, relatively calmly.

I do see you calling "They" trolls, and Poo pot stirrers though.
Not sure if that helps your credibility, just sayin!

Seriously, as soon as you realize people on internet forums are not all going to agree with you, some due to lack of experience, some due to having more experience, and some due to simply thinking you are just as wrong as they think you are, you will be able to converse in discussions like this, and not call everyone a troll, or a poo pot stirrer and be calm as a cucumber.
Trust me!!

heiney9

To have a point of view, one needs experiences about said subject or it's just poo. Oh, that rhymes

Trolls don't see trolls

You have a wild imagination. No red faced angry person here. Just someone passionate about audio.

H9

trj

Here is my take to this:
Cables do make a difference.
I definitely heard difference between mono price 16 or 18 AWG speaker cables and bluejeans 12 AWG cable on my setup. The difference: My speakers didn't sound strained and sharp toned any more. Yes they are not high priced audiophile grade cables. Some people may even laugh at those cables. But my point is, I did hear a difference. Would I spend $500 on speaker cables right now? No, because my receiver isn't even worth $500. There comes a point of price vs performance. When I have a $5000 amplifier, will I use Bluejeans cable? No, absolutely not. The audio chain is only as strong as its weakest link. If one has some serious speakers and amplifiers and connecting them with mono price cables, mono price cables are the weakest link. If one has some high end cables and connected to tiny samsung speakers, well, samsung speakers are the weakest link. I did have samsung HTIB for sometime, so I am making a reference to samsung.

To me, I would love to reduce cable clutter. If I could find a good Blu-ray player which does SACD through HDMI, I'd ditch 6 channel analog cables and my current SACD player and blu-ray player.
One signal cable(HDMI) and one power cable instead of 9(6 for analog audio, 3 for Y Pb Pr video) plus 1(HDMI on blue ray) carrier cables and 2 power cables is a winner in my book.

For the people getting their feet wet in this hobby (I am referencing people who drive their speakers with AVRs like me), bluejeans cables/interconnects or equivalent would be a good choice. Why buy cables that are more expensive than your speakers or receiver. That reminds me, I need to purchase bluejeans 2ft interconnects, and ditch the birds nest I created using a pair of 10ft Y Pb Pr cables as interconnects when I got my SACD player. Damn you cables.


As someone brought up cars. Some people go absolutely nuts spending a lot of time and money to get every ounce of power and steering/handling capabilities from a little family sedan. I agree, I have spent a considerable amount of time and money in that field. If I were to do it again, I'd just buy a high performance car and let grocery getter be a grocery getter. Both cars will get me to the destination. But one will get me there with all kinds of fun, another will just get me there. But if I ask my mom to drive both the cars, she won't know why I am making all the fuss about it.

heiney9

trj wrote: »

Here is my take to this:
Cables do make a difference.
I definitely heard difference between mono price 16 or 18 AWG speaker cables and bluejeans 12 AWG cable on my setup. The difference: My speakers didn't sound strained and sharp toned any more. Yes they are not high priced audiophile grade cables. Some people may even laugh at those cables. But my point is, I did hear a difference. Would I spend $500 on speaker cables right now? No, because my receiver isn't even worth $500. There comes a point of price vs performance. When I have a $5000 amplifier, will I use Bluejeans cable? No, absolutely not. The audio chain is only as strong as its weakest link. If one has some serious speakers and amplifiers and connecting them with mono price cables, mono price cables are the weakest link. If one has some high end cables and connected to tiny samsung speakers, well, samsung speakers are the weakest link. I did have samsung HTIB for sometime, so I am making a reference to samsung.

To me, I would love to reduce cable clutter. If I could find a good Blu-ray player which does SACD through HDMI, I'd ditch 6 channel analog cables and my current SACD player and blu-ray player.
One signal cable(HDMI) and one power cable instead of 9(6 for analog audio, 3 for Y Pb Pr video) plus 1(HDMI on blue ray) carrier cables and 2 power cables is a winner in my book.

For the people getting their feet wet in this hobby (I am referencing people who drive their speakers with AVRs like me), bluejeans cables/interconnects or equivalent would be a good choice. Why buy cables that are more expensive than your speakers or receiver. That reminds me, I need to purchase bluejeans 2ft interconnects, and ditch the birds nest I created using a pair of 10ft Y Pb Pr cables as interconnects when I got my SACD player. Damn you cables.


As someone brought up cars. Some people go absolutely nuts spending a lot of time and money to get every ounce of power and steering/handling capabilities from a little family sedan. I agree, I have spent a considerable amount of time and money in that field. If I were to do it again, I'd just buy a high performance car and let grocery getter be a grocery getter. Both cars will get me to the destination. But one will get me there with all kinds of fun, another will just get me there. But if I ask my mom to drive both the cars, she won't know why I am making all the fuss about it.

No you didn't, impossible. Wire is wire

trj

heiney9 wrote: »

No you didn't, impossible. Wire is wire

Which side are you on? wires make a difference or doesnt? I am confused now. Haha.

vmaxer

H9 knows it makes a difference as do I.

I do agree that one shouldn't spend a lot on cables if the rest of the rig is weak. It is a system, everything matters.

If I had the funds I would have a lot higher end system.

Since joining this forum and listening to others I have a lot better system than I would have ever believed. A lot of great people here.

vmaxer

tonyb wrote: »

Cool man, nice cables.

This thread needs a snickers bar.

OK then.....

vmaxer

Kind of like tubes huh?? They all sound the same.

tonyb

Marsha Marsha Marsha....lol.

Someone call 911 and have them on standby at Brocks joint. Just a matter of time before some suggests all tubes sound the same and the poor guy is going to blow a gasket.

Going to go buy a get well soon card as a precautionary measure, I like to be prepared.

heiney9

Why does everyone assume I'm angry and am going to blow a gasket? Sorry if I'm a little tired of this stuff as it consistently drags the forum down. Certainly annoyed, but far from angry.

I say it like I see it.

H9

tonyb

You mean dumbs down the forum dontcha ? lol

Just messin' with ya, points taken but.....gotta have a little fun around here. I can't keep picking on Russ every day.

lightman1

tonyb wrote: »

You mean dumbs down the forum dontcha ? lol

Just messin' with ya, points taken but.....gotta have a little fun around here. I can't keep picking on Russ every day.

Good natured ribbing, Tony. Bring it on ya sawed off mook!

tonyb

Now that's what I'm talking about. ^^^

Just like Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino trying to teach the kid how to talk like a man at the barber shop.

steveinaz

When I turn 90 and I'm in my wheelchair, I'm gonna BITE all of you in the rib cage.

SCompRacer

nooshinjohn

heiney9 wrote: »

To have a point of view, one needs experiences about said subject or it's just poo.


H9

That is signature material GOLD sir.
Trolls don't see trolls.... But they do see dead horses.