Which would yield the better performance gain-high end interconnects or spk.wire?

tonyb

rmpolk wrote: »

Tony b-Semantics must play a big role in your life

No, not really, but when one tries to prove a point it's best to be factually correct.

tonyb

Depends on how you define "error". Misspoke can be viewed as an error, a design flaw can also be viewed as an error. Speaking without thinking can be viewed as an error. Quoting things out of context can also be viewed as an error.

One must assume then, that an "error" is also subjective. Hence the importance of being factually correct.

tonyb

.....and, I'm not always factually correct myself. I make tons of "errors". I just blame my old age for them.

gudnoyez

So I'm so confused people need a set of interconnects for my Vincent PHO 700 as I'm borrowing my signal interconnects running the analogs from my Oppo to my AVR, but need to put em back. I have a pair of 1M Wireworld Solstice 7's in my cart, should I save the money and just use the cheapie red and white stock interconnects of which I have a drawer full of, because according to some I wouldn't hear much of a difference anyways. What to do just what to do? Somebody please help me out on a decision.

Nightfall

That drawer of red and white "box in" cables you have are unnecessary, sell them and get your money back. All you need are four thin single strands of copper, tape them to the positive and negative areas of the female RCA connectors. Scotch tape should do.

Geoff4rfc

So, I had a few good laughs here, especially after skimming through 9 pages of food stuffed yummyness and some good face slapping, but what about the OP?? Did he settle on Hotdogs or Popcorn to improve his set up??

Now I'm hungry for some sausage

Nightfall

@rmpolk We would likewise like to offer our condolences if you have also been embarrassed in front of everyone regarding your reading comprehension - specifically relating to this post.

BlueFox wrote:

This is a useless quote, if that is what it is. Post a link to it so the reader can judge the veracity of the source, and understand the context. For all anyone knows, you just made up your 'quote'.

Sincerely, we are all very sorry to have had this come out in public like it has.

F1nut

Josh, that deserves a big...WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

ken brydson

K_M

StevieB wrote: »

For 2 channel listening, whomever on this site came up with 'everything matters' has hit the nail on the head. If and that is a big if, you are wanting to search for synergy in your system to your ears, everything matters, from components to interconnects to speaker wires. Pretty simple.

It was not only a phrase used in well known quotes, but used as sales slogans years before.

"It is what it is" Hard to argue with though, I will give you that


Living with an obsessive/compulsive person, everything can matter in their mind, and having known carefree people, almost nothing matters to them.

There is a ground in the middle that is reality.

K_M

tonyb wrote: »

rmpolk wrote: »

Tony b- Since you took the time to respond to my posting on the other relevant thread I'll respond in kind and re-post my reply to your post here to: I'm curious to see how many other members agree with all your viewpoints on this subject. I'll admit I don't know Much on this subject and I may prove naive but I posted it because I believe what I read!!--[read]past tense implied [red] Hope to hear some feedback but please be aware I was referring to the issue of cable only in relation to my reference to what i copied from the net in my previous post

No, you believe what you want to believe and read what supports the conclusions you've already subscribed to. If you simply believe everything you read, go read cable manufacturers marketing and reviews. How do you decipher the different opinions you'll read ?....if you truly believe everything you read.

Stevieb,

Great post. A little here and a little there all adds up to something bigger. Hence the everything matters we keep throwing around.

That is most likely true of all people. (believe what one wants to believe)

One must come to their own conclusions, based on several factors. Logic, common sense, experience, known information that is based on reality, has no reason to be biased etc, and the biased opinions of individuals. (subjective perceptions)

They all hold different weight though.

It is just as likely to come to a wrong "conclusion" and still feel that one is "right"
Bias, expectation, peer pressure, and many other things factor into one's perception of right or wrong, possible or not possible, better or worse.

Just as though a perception or bias or expectation can make something seem "Right" or "Meaningful" to an individual, their claims and experiences, will not always coincide with another's reality, especially if they are willingly or unwillingly unaware of their bias, or expectation.

Their explanation is simple to them.
"Other people can not hear what I hear"

Where the issue starts, is when one believes their own subjective reality, makes their view superior, and are unable to understand why others do not always share their view.
There is usually no consideration at all made, for their subjective perception to ever be wrong or be questioned.
It can not be put to any test.
It can not be scrutinized or questioned.

As you say Tony, "believe what you want to believe"

txcoastal1

^^^^Keep in mind the street goes both ways

motorhead43026

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tonyb

txcoastal1 wrote: »

^^^^Keep in mind the street goes both ways

Amen to that.

Bias and perception are often spoke of as a bad thing, but are they really ? We all use them, we all have different biases and perceptions on what the best appliance is, TV, Lawn mower, shoes, the list goes on.

That's the reason we have a variety of products, audio or otherwise, to cater to those biases and perceptions. When it comes to audio, the only perceptions that matter are yours, not mine or someone else's.

That said, your perceptions/biases change over time. Mine certainly have from my earlier days in audio to now. How do they change though ?

Part is your hearing changes, preferences in music, and....you've gained more knowledge along the way by trying different stuff, hearing different gear at friends or shows. Remember the old saying, "When I see it, I'll believe it ?" Which is why most don't believe in Aliens, Ghosts, or Bigfoot. Nobody but a select few, supposedly, have ever seen them. Audio is no different, hearing is believing. If you never attempt to hear anything, you obviously will never believe anything, audio wise. Capiche ?

tonyb

LOL....only I can bring Aliens, Ghosts, and bigfoot into a cable discussion.

K_M

txcoastal1 wrote: »

^^^^Keep in mind the street goes both ways

Absolutely!
and I think I was saying that.

K_M

tonyb wrote: »

txcoastal1 wrote: »

^^^^Keep in mind the street goes both ways

.... Audio is no different, hearing is believing. If you never attempt to hear anything, you obviously will never believe anything, audio wise. Capiche ?

Yes, hearing is believing.
Proof of a belief is reality.

tonyb

K_M wrote: »

tonyb wrote: »

txcoastal1 wrote: »

^^^^Keep in mind the street goes both ways

.... Audio is no different, hearing is believing. If you never attempt to hear anything, you obviously will never believe anything, audio wise. Capiche ?

Yes, hearing is believing.
Proof of a belief is reality.

The proof is what you hear. Why does one need to prove anything to anyone ? Listen for yourself and determine your own reality. My reality doesn't have to coincide with yours, nor yours mine.

ken brydson

Jesse, you need to change your profile pic to this... dang

nooshinjohn

K_M wrote: »

tonyb wrote: »

txcoastal1 wrote: »

^^^^Keep in mind the street goes both ways

.... Audio is no different, hearing is believing. If you never attempt to hear anything, you obviously will never believe anything, audio wise. Capiche ?

Yes, hearing is believing.
Proof of a belief is reality.

I believe in God, and the proof is all around me. I believe cables and everything else in a music system matters, and the proof is heard by my ears.

11tsteve

K_M wrote: »

tonyb wrote: »

rmpolk wrote: »

Tony b- Since you took the time to respond to my posting on the other relevant thread I'll respond in kind and re-post my reply to your post here to: I'm curious to see how many other members agree with all your viewpoints on this subject. I'll admit I don't know Much on this subject and I may prove naive but I posted it because I believe what I read!!--[read]past tense implied [red] Hope to hear some feedback but please be aware I was referring to the issue of cable only in relation to my reference to what i copied from the net in my previous post

No, you believe what you want to believe and read what supports the conclusions you've already subscribed to. If you simply believe everything you read, go read cable manufacturers marketing and reviews. How do you decipher the different opinions you'll read ?....if you truly believe everything you read.

Stevieb,

Great post. A little here and a little there all adds up to something bigger. Hence the everything matters we keep throwing around.

That is most likely true of all people. (believe what one wants to believe)

One must come to their own conclusions, based on several factors. Logic, common sense, experience, known information that is based on reality, has no reason to be biased etc, and the biased opinions of individuals. (subjective perceptions)

They all hold different weight though.

It is just as likely to come to a wrong "conclusion" and still feel that one is "right"
Bias, expectation, peer pressure, and many other things factor into one's perception of right or wrong, possible or not possible, better or worse.

Just as though a perception or bias or expectation can make something seem "Right" or "Meaningful" to an individual, their claims and experiences, will not always coincide with another's reality, especially if they are willingly or unwillingly unaware of their bias, or expectation.

Their explanation is simple to them.
"Other people can not hear what I hear"

Where the issue starts, is when one believes their own subjective reality, makes their view superior, and are unable to understand why others do not always share their view.
There is usually no consideration at all made, for their subjective perception to ever be wrong or be questioned.
It can not be put to any test.
It can not be scrutinized or questioned.

As you say Tony, "believe what you want to believe"

I believe the issue is why people who believe cables don't matter bother to get involved in these threads.
The OP asked a genuine question about cables making a difference. You KNOW this will be a thread populated by the ProCable faction, the "Everything Matters" crowd, and that belief is firm.
So why bother??? Unless you are looking for an argument? It's the same result, every time, leading to snarky comments and sarcastic memes. Neither side will change the other's minds, and yet it always ends up with this pseudo-philosophical debate over humankind's ability to have differing POV and still believe wholeheartedly both are true.... ugh.
And then I read every single cable debate. Sheesh.

lightman1

Sorry about the memes, Steve.

11tsteve

tonyb

oops

tonyb

Not necessarily true Kelly. How can a perception be wrong and what test is available to prove that ? Perception is truth to that individual.

However, perceptions can change, thus so can the truth for that individual. Do you still hold the same perceptions about anything today as you did in your teenage years ? So your truth then must differ from your truth now, right ? What changed ? Maybe you matured, got wiser, had some life experiences that influenced your perceptions and changed your truth ?

When one explains the process in which they came to their perceptions, then questions are asked and faults in the process exposed. Which at that point suggestions can be made to improve the process, it's no guarantee their perceptions will change though.

Kinda like a recipe for cookies someone gives you. Best cookies in the world, you gotta try these. You make them and they turn out like garbage. Those who love the cookies will ask what did you do wrong. ? Did you follow the recipe ? Change the ingredients, substitute something of lessor quality ? Bake at the wrong temp ?

Many things can be off kilter in the process of following a recipe. In audio, many do not even know what to listen for, let alone choose the quality products to listen to. They don't know how to match gear/ingredients to come up with a good system/cookie.

That's the value in forums and those with experience making cookies. If your satisfied with your cookies, don't get involved with better recipes, it's of no interest to you anyway

tonyb

Dang it, now I need to go find some chocolate chip cookies.

motorhead43026

Deleted, no sense in feeding the trolls.

K_M

motorhead43026 wrote: »

Deleted, no sense in feeding the trolls.

As long as you simply call someone a "Troll" for having a different, equally valid view, there is zero chance of a mature discourse.

I was not even stating any view, but simply trying to show a bit of composure and respect for how the two differing views see things.

motorhead43026

K_M wrote: »

motorhead43026 wrote: »

Deleted, no sense in feeding the trolls.

As long as you simply call someone a "Troll" for having a different, equally valid view, there is zero chance of a mature discourse.

I was not even stating any view, but simply trying to show a bit of composure and respect for how the two differing views see things.

Hmmmmm, so what makes you think this was directed toward you, that is unless, never mind.

K_M

tonyb wrote: »

Not necessarily true Kelly. How can a perception be wrong and what test is available to prove that ? Perception is truth to that individual.

How?
Easily. Other things factor into how one's minds eye "sees" something.
But that is common knowledge.

Test?
If a Person, can pick product "X" out from product "Z" easily, when not aware of which is which.
But that is also common knowledge.

Many times a person does not want their preference or perception challenged.
Or to find out it is suspect.