Parasound vs Emotiva
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Point stands there isn't a better amp for the money. No one else makes a better amp new with a warranty for $2000 that is as good as the xpa1 gen 2.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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Your comments were taken literally. You said "BUILD" a better amp, not design one.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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Your right I did.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »Point stands there isn't a better amp for the money. No one else makes a better amp new with a warranty for $2000 that is as good as the xpa1 gen 2.
The Crown XLS DriveCore will beat it for 1600 less...
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That's funnyOh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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And true... Guess you wasted your money.jeremymarcinko wrote: »That's funny
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If you say so John. If its that important to you, and makes you feel better about yourself. I tried really hard to be respectful, figured you could return the favor.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »Point stands there isn't a better amp for the money. No one else makes a better amp new with a warranty for $2000 that is as good as the xpa1 gen 2.
That's entirely your OPINION, one opinion of many opinions. I happen to disagree pretty strongly.
It's also very naive and short sighted and shows you don't know as much as you think you know.
Speaking in absolutes can make one look silly. See you have no wiggle room now because you can try and spin what's quoted, but I don't see a way out of your statement unless you do some serious backtracking.
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It is my opinion, I own it and I stand by what I said.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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I stand by what I said- absolutes can make one look silly"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »Point stands there isn't a better amp for the money. No one else makes a better amp new with a warranty for $2000 that is as good as the xpa1 gen 2.
Jerry, being respectful here. Just because an amp is rated to put out 600 watts, the first 60 in class A doesn't make it the best new amp for the money to everyone.
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »Improving on someone else's design isn't doing anything.
The Japanese automobile and television manufacturers have done very well improving on someone else's designs.
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »Point stands there isn't a better amp for the money. No one else makes a better amp new with a warranty for $2000 that is as good as the xpa1 gen 2.
Jerry, being respectful here. Just because an amp is rated to put out 600 watts, the first 60 in class A doesn't make it the best new amp for the money to everyone.
Your right. I should rephrase, better is much too general of a term. There isn't a more capable amp out there, under $2000 new with a warranty.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant -
jeremymarcinko wrote: »If you say so John. If its that important to you, and makes you feel better about yourself. I tried really hard to be respectful, figured you could return the favor.
I am only busting your chops Jeremy. Blanket statement, as H9 has pointed out, leave you no room to grow, or any way out. I too respect your opinion, and I have been where you are. This hobby can be a lot of fun and cost a TON of money.
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I would choose Parasound every time over Emotiva. More refined, smoother, better soundstage, more pleasing and accurate overall.
For HT, I wouldn't rule out Emotiva if you are looking for something overly dynamic and a bit more in your face and looser and less refined. Those attributes, in my opinion, are better suited for movie dialog, car crashes, rocket launchers, explosions etc.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
jeremymarcinko wrote: »jeremymarcinko wrote: »Point stands there isn't a better amp for the money. No one else makes a better amp new with a warranty for $2000 that is as good as the xpa1 gen 2.
Jerry, being respectful here. Just because an amp is rated to put out 600 watts, the first 60 in class A doesn't make it the best new amp for the money to everyone.
Your right. I should rephrase, better is much too general of a term. There isn't a more capable amp out there, under $2000 new with a warranty.
Define capable? It's going to be different for many people.
I would love to own a First Watt M2 amp at right around $2K. I would say it's very capable and I would enjoy it sonic attributes MUCH more than Emotiva..............you maybe not so much. But I don't go around proclaiming it's the best amp for $2K...PERIOD!
H9
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nooshinjohn wrote: »jeremymarcinko wrote: »If you say so John. If its that important to you, and makes you feel better about yourself. I tried really hard to be respectful, figured you could return the favor.
I am only busting your chops Jeremy. Blanket statement, as H9 has pointed out, leave you no room to grow, or any way out. I too respect your opinion, and I have been where you are. This hobby can be a lot of fun and cost a TON of money.
If you are happy with what you've got is all that counts.
Cool John.
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How many of you have heard the XPA1 GEN 2's ?
I can say anything, about my experience, however I want. We all use blanket statements. It's my right
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Nooshinjohn advantage on a beautiful one off set of amplifiers.
Jerry advantage on off the shelf audio.
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I have not, I have heard others and the only one I liked was the original amp that started all. I just don't remember the model. It's kind of like my love for Jaguars. Everybody tells me my car is crap because they had all kinds of problems three decades ago. But nobody has ever driven or owned one because of what they heard a friend of a friend's cousin said about a friend that had a college buddy that owned a ten year old model he bought in 1982...The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »jeremymarcinko wrote: »Point stands there isn't a better amp for the money. No one else makes a better amp new with a warranty for $2000 that is as good as the xpa1 gen 2.
Jerry, being respectful here. Just because an amp is rated to put out 600 watts, the first 60 in class A doesn't make it the best new amp for the money to everyone.
Your right. I should rephrase, better is much too general of a term. There isn't a more capable amp out there, under $2000 new with a warranty.
Might be some truth to that statement if you consider "new with warranty". That however reminds me of catching fish....show them something shiny and they will come.
However, amps are built to last a long time so buying used shouldn't worry anyone. If new and warranty are your first priorities, then I might agree with ya. However we kinda thrive on sound quality being an audio forum and all that and that tends to be our first priority.
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Warranty is a big deal. I have seen numerous b&k, and parasound amps, purchased used by forum members, having trouble with a bad channel or a hum etc.
Emotiva is doing a great service by enabling people to get into hifi with less risk. They all may not be a good match with all speakers (rti's), in every room, but the problem is as much to do with the speaker. My RTI's are pretty great in my man cave, as it doesn't have many reflections, but the 6's I have tried in other rooms are not good, even when paired to my ATI. My Fluance bookies are much more enjoyable, in the den, but are sterile and unrevealing in the basement.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant -
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I like the Emo pre-amp. There, I said it.
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Speaking of the Browns. I'm pretty excited to be going up there for my first Cleveland night game on Monday.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant -
jeremymarcinko wrote: »How many of you have heard the XPA1 GEN 2's ?
I can say anything, about my experience, however I want. We all use blanket statements. It's my right
Have you heard every single amp for $2K or less to make your statement of fact about how the XPA 1 Gen's 2's are the best, period?
See we all have different likes, dislikes, preferences, experiences, perceptions, opinions, levels of experience, expectations, etc. So what works for one person at $2K, may not work for another person at $2K. So it;s beyond me how you can state in absolute terms it's the best or most capable amp for under $2K, period!
No we don't all use blanket statements, many of us use qualifiers or make a suggestion to check it out, or relate our experiences as it relates to what we like and what that piece of gears strengths are.
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oh carp, the discussion is heading to LAke Erie.
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »How many of you have heard the XPA1 GEN 2's ?
I can say anything, about my experience, however I want. We all use blanket statements. It's my right
Have you heard every single amp for $2K or less to make your statement of fact about how the XPA 1 Gen's 2's are the best, period?
See we all have different likes, dislikes, preferences, experiences, perceptions, opinions, levels of experience, expectations, etc. So what works for one person at $2K, may not work for another person at $2K. So it;s beyond me how you can state in absolute terms it's the best or most capable amp for under $2K, period!
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I don't have too. There isn't another set of monoblocs out there under $2k that are fully balanced, fully discrete, quad differential, ultra-high current, with selectable Class A that gets as much praise as the XPA1 GEN 2, for being as good as $8000- $16000 mono's that they have been compared to directly.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant -
But hey don't take my word for it.
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/amplifiers/emotiva/xpa-1-monoblock/prd_429864_1583crx.aspx#reviews
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »Warranty is a big deal. I have seen numerous b&k, and parasound amps, purchased used by forum members, having trouble with a bad channel or a hum etc.
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The vast majority of those amps here with any issues are nearly 20 years old, possibly more, and any electronic device getting long in the tooth can be subject to these problems.
What is Emotiva's warranty, 5 years? So is Parasound's on new products, and 3 to 5 years will be typical. Bryston has a more realistic, in terms of a quality product experiencing failure, electronics warranty with 20 years.
I have no dog in the "Emo sounds (opinion) way" as I have not heard one, and likely never will. But it just seems focusing on "new" and "warranty" can be shortsighted in ruling out better and more cost effective used gear.Polk Lsi9
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