Parasound vs Emotiva

mikeyb128

As this thread has proved emotiva is a nice foot in the door for seperates. Ultimately it's the gate way drug to better amps. My first seperate was emotiva. The next was a sunfire. A friend of mine runs 7 emotiva mono blocks in his theater with jtr triple 8's and 4 Marty cube 18 inch subs. It blows the roof off his house. Crazy dynamic and clear. It sounds amazing. There's a lot of emotiva haters in this forum. That's fine, we all have different tastes. Emotiva is not for me, but value and warranty they are great. So makes sense for people to buy them.

A friend of mine is set on emotiva for warranty sakes. He afraid of used gear. But he's a big baby stuck on the budget train.

afterburnt

I suppose that the next amp that I will buy will be none of the above. I am really curious about the Sunfire 7 channel for HT. If I got that I will have plenty of other stuff to mix, match and experiment with. God willing I will get to retire in a few more years and will have bought a house with audio in mind and I will have some kind of system in damn near every room.

F1nut

I will have some kind of system in damn near every room.

Wouldn't it be better to have one really boss 2 channel rig instead?

afterburnt

F1nut wrote: »

I will have some kind of system in damn near every room.

Wouldn't it be better to have one really boss 2 channel rig instead?

Yes it would sort of but I have already found myself limited because I like what is in the bedroom so much that I stay in there too much. I think it would be good to have good sounds in any and every room. For instance if I had something good in the garage I would get caught up on a lot of projects. As it is I tend to sit in bed and listen and read.

EndersShadow

F1nut wrote: »

I will have some kind of system in damn near every room.

Wouldn't it be better to have one really boss 2 channel rig instead?

How Jesse walks....

Nightfall

afterburnt wrote: »

F1nut wrote: »

I will have some kind of system in damn near every room.

Wouldn't it be better to have one really boss 2 channel rig instead?

Yes it would sort of but I have already found myself limited because I like what is in the bedroom so much that I stay in there too much. I think it would be good to have good sounds in any and every room. For instance if I had something good in the garage I would get caught up on a lot of projects. As it is I tend to sit in bed and listen and read.

I can't agree. I'd rather have a $5k system in my living room than a $1k system in four rooms and the garage. Even if the $5k system "had" to be a HT/2 channel combo. There are some nice tube preamps with HT bypass.

afterburnt

Nighfall I am already in a semi vegetative state. I guess I don't really need one system that I can take my ears off of. As of late I can only listen to the living room system in multi channel, I got spoiled.

afterburnt

BTW I am over 5k in the living room and quite a bit less in the bedroom although they are both multi channel.

Nightfall

The $5k/$1k prices were arbitrary.

There's nothing wrong with the way you're doing it if it makes you happy.

afterburnt

not so happy with these 707's in 2 channel but I guess I said that

vmaxer

afterburnt wrote: »

not so happy with these 707's in 2 channel but I guess I said that

Sell them to me really cheap.

tonyb

heiney9 wrote: »

Wattage ratings don't mean a whole lot unless you are trying to pressurize an extremely large room (more than a typical large living room or rec room) Then they can be a loose guide. THD is a worthless spec unless it's way out of whack, like over 10%, but then that figure would never be printed on a spec sheet.

I'll never understand why novices in this hobby hang their hats on manufacturer specs. They are pretty much useless in determining how a piece of gear sounds and performs.

That's like choosing a car because the speedometer goes up to 200 mph vs. a car where the speedometer only goes to 120 mph. Let that analogy sink in.

Again, those that don't know, don't know that they don't know. If you understood anything about amplifier design you'd know these kind of specs don't mean a whole lot.

Just to throw out a general statement: You can achieve extremely low THD measurements by cranking up negative feedback and/or adding gain stages, but in most instances (if not almost all) it has a direct affect on the final sound quality and it's not a positive affect. But damn skippy it shows well on a printed manufacturers spec sheet!

Cheers

H9

Good post Brock...and those specs actually do come in handy for the novice as a marketing tool. Much like the bi-amp feature on AVR's. Plus if you subscribe to the theory that all amps sound the same in general, then specs is your stick to weed out the good from the bad.

It's about finding "your sound". Synergy within ones system. If you limit yourself to so much misinformation floating around the internet, you'll never find it.

tonyb

sfosselman wrote: »

Man...this has been a heated discussion! I like it.... all the more reason to love this hobby is the passion folks have for their equipment. Now whether that passion is driven by quality audio or their wallet is another discussion all together

Good observation, and one that holds merit. Audio is played on many levels, many fields of play. Much of those levels is dictated by wallets and some would like to excuse others because they play on another level.

That said, most of us here hold the thought that good sound can be achieved on any level, with any wallet. There's certainly enough variety of gear both new and used to find some synergy and good tunes for anyone.

[Deleted User]

SPECS ARE FOR FOOOLS!
There, I said it. Nothing good to see there.
Probably some monster cable/Emo luv'in doods.

11tsteve

tonyb wrote: »

sfosselman wrote: »

Man...this has been a heated discussion! I like it.... all the more reason to love this hobby is the passion folks have for their equipment. Now whether that passion is driven by quality audio or their wallet is another discussion all together

Good observation, and one that holds merit. Audio is played on many levels, many fields of play. Much of those levels is dictated by wallets and some would like to excuse others because they play on another level.

That said, most of us here hold the thought that good sound can be achieved on any level, with any wallet. There's certainly enough variety of gear both new and used to find some synergy and good tunes for anyone.

Truth.

Compared to a lot of the people here, mine is a very budget system, most of it being more inexpensive vintage gear brought up to date, either by me or others. The LSi9's I got great deal on will be the most modern pieces I will own.
Budget used gear, and it is by far the best sounding rig I have ever owned, and I have some pride in the work I have done.... it never occurred to me to by new budget gear with a warranty.
My bad....

Joey_V

Why is Emotiva not liked on this forum?

Serious question.

Joey_V

Gotcha Skip.

I just went to the emotiva website.. man, that XPA1 can do 60w in Class A at that price? impressive.

Mikey081057

Very heated dialogue

heiney9

Be careful of the marketing glitz Joey V, they are a nice step up from an AVR but they will never sonically compete with brands higher up the food chain. And they don't need to as they fill a niche that needs filling.

I have more of a problem with troll-like rabid fans of Emotiva trying to proclaim they are the best thing going in audio, PERIOD. In many, many instances these audio types have a very limited experience to draw from and make an all encompassing blanket statements.

That's where the head butting usually starts. They are decent "bang for your buck" gear, that are more suited to HT than serious audiophile duty.

They have great marketing, use all the correct "buzz" words, hit all the right chords, etc. But what's on paper doesn't always ring true in real world use. And just because they use audiophile correct words on the glossy marketing paper, doesn't mean the end result is going to satisfy high expectations.

If I was doing a dedicated HT install I'd certainly entertain using Emotiva gear.

H9

vmaxer

heiney9 wrote: »

Be careful of the marketing glitz Joey V, they are a nice step up from an AVR but they will never sonically compete with brands higher up the food chain. And they don't need to as they fill a niche that needs filling.

I have more of a problem with troll-like rabid fans of Emotiva trying to proclaim they are the best thing going in audio, PERIOD. In many, many instances these audio types have a very limited experience to draw from and make an all encompassing blanket statements.

That's where the head butting usually starts. They are decent "bang for your buck" gear, that are more suited to HT than serious audiophile duty.

They have great marketing, use all the correct "buzz" words, hit all the right chords, etc. But what's on paper doesn't always ring true in real world use. And just because they use audiophile correct words on the glossy marketing paper, doesn't mean the end result is going to satisfy high expectations.

If I was doing a dedicated HT install I'd certainly entertain using Emotiva gear.

H9

I agree with this.

[Deleted User]

Plus, how could you justify in your mind $3000-$5000 dollars for something that is only marginally better than something $800.00-$1,000.00

tophatjohnny

I'd entertain using EMO too....................................................if all the real deal companies weren't here to help!!!

[Deleted User]

Nobody was being rabid here until Heiney swooped in and started making a
heiny of himself. I notice he runs an amp that goes used for the price of
Emotiva's TOTL amp.

Mikey081057

11tsteve

rednedtugent wrote: »

Nobody was being rabid here until Heiney swooped in and started making a
heiny of himself. I notice he runs an amp that goes used for the price of
Emotiva's TOTL amp.

Then you need to re-read this thread.

[Deleted User]

I just did. F1nut jumped in snarky (expected) and then had something to offer.
Njohn poked the bear. XCap was actually very level headed and added something
to the proceedings. Heiney came in with guns blazing. Just holding the fort until
Jermey gets back from the football game.

I should add that someone claimed Jermey has lousy hearing and I was
being droll in an attempt to keep things rolling along.

11tsteve

well, I guess like audio, reading comprehension is subjective. Things were quite heated before H9 ever popped up, in my opinion.
Maybe we should start a new thread interpreting this thread..... wait. Isn't this thread about amplifiers?

Joey_V

Man this topic really is a firey one.

[Deleted User]

Well, I would like that. I think that the amp that I chose is the best and
everyone who posted to this thread would have to re-access their understanding
of amps to see where I'm coming from.

Hope Jermey gets back soon as I'm running out of steam.

EndersShadow

rednedtugent wrote: »

I think that the amp that I chose is the best

Different strokes for different folks.

If it blows back your sack, rock on. But they dont do the same for me. And the MOST IMPORTANT THING...

THATS OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is it NOT OK for me to disagree with you? Is audio not subjective?

Great example: Art. Its subjective...

So's audio.

Dan out.