So the question is , How can a HDMI cable make a sonic Improvement?

jaritta

mantis wrote: »

I see you have been apart of this forum since 2009 , I'm also going to assume you have at least read 1 or more of my threads.
If this is true you already know I don't work for Audioquest or Monstercable. I have been in the business for 12 years and counting. You should also know that I'm heavily into wire , calibration , tweaking my system.
What you are saying in your above post is I'm not a credible source and just some random blogger. If this is how you feel about what I have been writing on this forum then please stop reading my threads and posts.
As far as promoting anything , I could care less if you or anyone else buys what I enjoy. My goal in every signal thing I write is to share my professional and personal experiences with everyone on this forum. I am one of the very oldest members. If what I write inspires someone to go out and try something , thats my goal is to have an open mind and try everything our beautiful hobby(and my job) provides. If you feel spending any kind of money on any cables is a waste then maybe you have no experience in this or you have your own experiences that has shown you where to spend your time and money.
I'm also not going to try and convince anyone that any cables make any differences at all. If you ask me my opinion I will give it. If you research everything I have ever wrote in here , you will come to learn I have strong opinion on what I believe in.
Audioquest builds hands down the best cables in the business in my opinion. I have worked with just about every single brand cable made.As a Custom In home Audio Video Installer / Programmer ,I need what works the best in the field. Audioquest offers products that make my jobs go smooth and I can rely every single time I install their products that I'm offering my customer the best their money is buying.
I have Installed 36k 6 foot speaker wire and put together some of the highest end systems money can buy but I'm not here to form any opinion for you ok.
You can boycott anyone you like my friend , you can include my if you wish.Maybe you can teach me something but my system rocks and I'm extremely happy with the results I got with my latest additions. If you lived close by I would demo it for you and you could form your own opinion , or just keep following cnet.com for all your audio and video advise. I'm gonna assume you have nothing more here to learn.

Mantis,

Have you heard any analysis plus cable? My boss is an audiophile and loves the stuff.....He also loves tubes and LP. How do the analysis plus cables compair to the audio quest cables???

polkatese

Nice pics and review Dan! How have you been?

digitalvideo

tonyb wrote: »

The facts are within ones own ears and as far as credible sources go, I'd take advice from Jesse anyday over MSNBC.

If msnbc told you a Bose wave radio would replace all your audio gear and sound better, would you sell it all ?

Didn't take long for the cable nay-sayers to jump in a discusion they know nothing about. Dan had been in the camp of hdmi cables don't make a difference.....1's and 0's and all that. It's not just the cable per say, but your system as a whole. The more revealing your system becomes, the more likely you will hear subtle changes in a cable swap.

I would trust any news source over you since you never back up anything you say, you make some random claims but you have nothing to show for it, and what tests have you done yourself? How about you give me the names of these calbes you tried and lend me them and I'll see if I can hear a difference, I'll even video tape it on my Iphone and upload them on YouTube and on here for the world to see because I'm not going to waste my own money buying cables doing these extreme mental disorder testing to hear if there is the slightest little midrange or high improvement in a bass string note.

digitalvideo

heiney9 wrote: »

Here's a new idea, stop waiting around for someone else to tell you you see/hear a difference and get off your **** and experiment for yourself, in your room, in your rig. Until then, put a sock in it because you have no experience to debate what others feel they see/hear as improvements.

H9

Then send me these cables for me to test in my system and I'll video tape it and upload them on the internet for the world to see, again I'm not going to waste my money on buying worthless cables to see if I can hear the ever so slightest little difference when the bass player hits a string on his guitar or someone's vocals might sound the slightest difference when she hits a certain note at a certain decibel level, that's just mental and people have too much time on their hands and that's what makes these predatory cable companies more money, idiots who spend lots of money for a cable that makes no difference. Buy some Belden/Bluejeans and be happy and call it a day.

Every idiot is a self proclaimed "audiophile" just like every idiot is a "intellectual" lol haha

DarqueKnight

Classic Cable Hater Seminar:

Why Are You Mad At Cables You Can't Afford?

halo71

DigitalVideo.... Why are you so hell bent on proving everyone wrong here. When you are not going to waste your money on expensive cables to see for yourself if there is a difference or not? You have no way, short of buying these cables, to prove what anyone in this thread is saying that does not agree with you. But yet you want to basically call everyone an idiot for spending money on the cables.

I just don't get your logic here. IF you had some proof or experience to prove otherwise. Your ramblings in this thread may hold a little more credibility don't you think?

heiney9

digitalvideo wrote: »

Then send me these cables for me to test in my system and I'll video tape it and upload them on the internet for the world to see, again I'm not going to waste my money on buying worthless cables to see if I can hear the ever so slightest little difference when the bass player hits a string on his guitar or someone's vocals might sound the slightest difference when she hits a certain note at a certain decibel level, that's just mental and people have too much time on their hands and that's what makes these predatory cable companies more money, idiots who spend lots of money for a cable that makes no difference. Buy some Belden/Bluejeans and be happy and call it a day.

Every idiot is a self proclaimed "audiophile" just like every idiot is a "intellectual" lol haha

Buy them yourself since you think there is no difference, and I could give a rats **** what your findings end up being because I do these things for myself and make my own decisions and draw my own conclusions..........not wait for someone to tell me what I should and shouldn't like, etc.

H9

EndersShadow

@Mantis, interesting write up. I just switched out everything in my setup with Monoprice HDMI w/ Ferrite cores (couldnt find the cables I used originally). It didnt make a massive difference in my usage, but I might have to give that cable a shot.

I have Audioquest wire for my front 3 and they sound pretty darn good (using FLX 14/4 bi-wired to the LSi 15's and single for the CS2), so it stands to reason I might get some boost from a better HDMI cable.

@digitalvideo: while you are welcome to have your opinion and welcome to state it as many times as you want in any thread, you will find most here are not really going to listen to you based solely on your choice of sources. Not to knock CNET or MSNBC, as I also sometimes read reviews posted by them, but in our little "niche" they are not exactly the most respected.

That and while you continue to bash companies, you have yet to explain how you have tested and proven these changes dont make a difference.

Couple hundred years ago all you read said the earth was flat....look how perceptions change once folks start questioning the "hive mind" of society....

digitalvideo

I'll offer anyone a challenge to mail me any cables they claim make a difference, I'll pay for the postage and I'll do the testing and make all the videos for proof, I doubt anyone who claims cables make a big difference will man up to this challenge, they'll say: "Ummm ahhhh ummm ahhh noo! you buy the cables yourself." That's because you're not secure enough with your claims to man up to this challenge so you'll spin it back onto me and demand I buy the cables that you claim make a difference. Nice try, I threw out the challenge first, mail me the cables or STFU! :biggrin:

heiney9

digitalvideo wrote: »

Buy some Belden/Bluejeans and be happy and call it a day.

Why the above, where do you draw the line between idiocy and logical purchase? Why not Home Depot zip cord @ about 0.10c/foot? If cables don't matter why spend the extra for Blue Jeans/Belden.

Gaping flaw in your logic.................or are you one of those that strictly looks at $$$ and decides randomly what has merit and what doesn't.

Sounds like you're the idiot, not the other way around.

H9

digitalvideo

heiney9 wrote: »

Why the above, where do you draw the line between idiocy and logical purchase? Why not Home Depot zip cord @ about 0.10c/foot? If cables don't matter why spend the extra for Blue Jeans/Belden.

Gaping flaw in your logic.................or are you one of those that strictly looks at $$$ and decides randomly what has merit and what doesn't.

Sounds like you're the idiot, not the other way around.

H9

hahaha well thanks for reminding me, there are members on here who say to just go down to Radio Shack and pick up some copper wire by the bulk. lol Thanks for proving my point. But if Belden/Bluejeans isn't what you like, then try Monoprice.

heiney9

digitalvideo wrote: »

I'll offer anyone a challenge to mail me any cables they claim make a difference, I'll pay for the postage and I'll do the testing and make all the videos for proof, I doubt anyone who claims cables make a big difference will man up to this challenge, they'll say: "Ummm ahhhh ummm ahhh noo! you buy the cables yourself." That's because you're not secure enough with your claims to man up to this challenge so you'll spin it back onto me and demand I buy the cables that you claim make a difference. Nice try, I threw out the challenge first, mail me the cables or STFU! :biggrin:

blah,,blah,,blah,,blah,,blah...

No one cares about your findings or i-Phone videos....let me stop laughing for a minute to finish this post. We do it for ourselves and then make educated suggestions to those with open enough minds to atleast ask the question if cables can make a difference in their rig.

H9

EndersShadow

digitalvideo wrote: »

I'll offer anyone a challenge to mail me any cables they claim make a difference, I'll pay for the postage and I'll do the testing and make all the videos for proof, I doubt anyone who claims cables make a big difference will man up to this challenge, they'll say: "Ummm ahhhh ummm ahhh noo! you buy the cables yourself." That's because you're not secure enough with your claims to man up to this challenge so you'll spin it back onto me and demand I buy the cables that you claim make a difference. Nice try, I threw out the challenge first, mail me the cables or STFU! :biggrin:

Or maybe they just dont trust you to return them.....I wouldnt trust someone I didnt personally know with expensive cables.....or someone that kinda comes off like a ****......

P.S. Another member here made similar claims only with PA amps v. Stereo amps... so this kinda brings back some bad memories..... lets see if the past repeats itself here....

heiney9

digitalvideo wrote: »

hahaha well thanks for reminding me, there are members on here who say to just go down to Radio Shack and pick up some copper wire by the bulk. lol Thanks for proving my point. But if Belden/Bluejeans isn't what you like, then try Monoprice.

The question for you? Get some reading comprehension :rolleyes:

H9

digitalvideo

heiney9 wrote: »

blah,,blah,,blah,,blah,,blah...

No one cares about your findings or i-Phone videos....let me stop laughing for a minute to finish this post. We do it for ourselves and then make educated suggestions to those with open enough minds to atleast ask the question if cables can make a difference in their rig.

H9

hahahhaha I win >>>>>>>>>

heiney9 wrote: »

blah,,blah,,blah,,blah,,blah...

With a response like that you just proved you can't man up, but the challenge is still on, send me some of these cables you claim make a difference, maybe you can tell me which wine and cheese and crackers to consume too so I can be a "audiophile" too :biggrin:

heiney9

I have nothing to prove to anyone but myself there chief. Bye Bye Troll

H9

heiney9

digitalvideo wrote: »

maybe you can tell me which wine and cheese and crackers to consume too so I can be a "audiophile" too :biggrin:

Very weird response..........time to get some fresh air.

digitalvideo

EndersShadow wrote: »

Or maybe they just dont trust you to return them.....I wouldnt trust someone I didnt personally know with expensive cables.....or someone that kinda comes off like a ****......

P.S. Another member here made similar claims only with PA amps v. Stereo amps... so this kinda brings back some bad memories..... lets see if the past repeats itself here....

No, they'll have my address since they will mail them, you can report me to the authorities or take any kind of legal action if I don't mail them back, trust me, I will give them back, but people won't mail them because they don't have confidence in their claims, they're beliefs will be proven wrong.

heiney9

digitalvideo wrote: »

trust me, I will give them back.

:rolleyes:

digitalvideo

heiney9 wrote: »

Very weird response..........time to get some fresh air.

Well I was out today working, so I suggest maybe you can get out and stop sitting around switching in and out cables trying to find that one little decibel note that makes you tingle so you get some mental gratification thinking you got the right cable. Cables don't matter, get over it. :biggrin:

halo71

EndersShadow wrote: »

P.S. Another member here made similar claims only with PA amps v. Stereo amps... so this kinda brings back some bad memories..... lets see if the past repeats itself here....

Funny you mention that. I was thinking he MUST have 2 accounts here. For it to consume so much of his time arguing about this is beyond me.

DV....your arguments, or lack thereof are very sad. Why is it so important to prove everyone wrong?

tonyb

I'm guessing DV is just too cheap to buy nicer cables,so he just bashes what he can't afford. Quoting MSNBC as a reliable source is like putting faith in what the government tells you as gospel. I suppose if Dan worked for msnbc, his opinion would be valid ? You know the old saying...." Better to keep your mouth shut and let some assume your a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

digitalvideo

Maybe one of you "audiophiles" aka random bloggers can mail me this cable so it can "change my whole life." lol

http://consumerist.com/2011/01/how-this-2000-hdmi-cable-will-change-your-life.html

digitalvideo

tonyb wrote: »

I'm guessing DV is just too cheap to buy nicer cables,so he just bashes what he can't afford. Quoting MSNBC as a reliable source is like putting faith in what the government tells you as gospel. I suppose if Dan worked for msnbc, his opinion would be valid ? You know the old saying...." Better to keep your mouth shut and let some assume your a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

tony no, I'm not just dumb enough to waste money on cables that don't make a difference as you fall for these companies bogus claims. Plenty of true audiophiles with million dollar home theaters on avsforum.com and on blu-ray.com that did their testing of these cables, some members over there actually worked for Dolby studios and say to use Belden or Monoprice.

As for MSNBC's politics, I don't support them, but I posted links from cnet.com as well. I'll see if I can find a Fox News link for you.

pitdogg2

Why is it the dipsticks come out in droves when any kind wire anthing gets posted? I have bought some fairly expensive cables that made a difference and not for the better, but by the same token I have bought some cheap cables that made a huge difference for the better. I have seen some companies charge thousands of dollars for cables I question weather i will benefit from the outlay with my gear. That doesn't mean I will berate the people that do buy them, if anything I hope lots of folks do as that will more than likely filter down into cables i CAN afford.

Nice write up Mantis it's shame that such a logical write up can so wrong.
Keep up the good work.

halo71

DV...you are now just sounding like a little kid that didn't get his way and is now pouting.


DV....please list your audio set up for us.

digitalvideo

No one is telling you what you can and can't buy, that's your right, spend your money on whatever makes you happy and content, we as Americans have ever right to mock and criticize you too especially for wasting money on cables, it's the whole idea of "cost/performance factor" and NO it's not worth spending lots of money on cables because that's like replacing the spark plug wires in your car with hundreds of thousand dollar spark plug wires and expecting big horse power increases.

pitdogg2

digitalvideo wrote: »

No one is telling you what you can and can't buy, that's your right, spend your money on whatever makes you happy and content, we as Americans have ever right to mock and criticize you too especially for wasting money on cables, it's the whole idea of "cost/performance factor" and NO it's not worth spending lots of money on cables because that's like replacing the spark plug wires in your car with hundreds of thousand dollar spark plug wires and expecting big horse power increases.

but you could get better gas mileage which is also a performance issue

also every little gadget(mass air ect) you do improve can improve a few horses applying a new computer chip code will get better performance add them up what do you get? BETTER PERFORMANCE

EndersShadow

This thread suddenly got a lot shorter....oh wait its because my block list got larger

digitalvideo

pitdogg2 wrote: »

but you could get better gas mileage which is also a performance issue.

Actually you can't, many studies have been done debunking these marketing claims, many of these companies have had to change or completely remove these advertisements from their websites and company because of it.

pitdogg2 wrote:

also every little gadget(mass air ect) you do improve can improve a few horses applying a new computer chip code will get better performance add them up what do you get? BETTER PERFORMANCE

That performance doesn't exist and can't be felt by your foot. What matters is pistons camshafts, heads, rods, turbo, supercharger (engine) gearing - (transmission) which is the equivalent to = Reciever, amp, sub, speakers, tv.


But it also comes down to the cost/performance ratio factor, is it worth spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on spark plug wires for just a psychological feeling and not a true numbers feeling? It's your money. So buy that Mobil 1 motor oil because it claims it can give you better performance compared to Castrol or Texaco or Shell. lol