So the question is , How can a HDMI cable make a sonic Improvement?

DON73

I decided to try a pair of the MIT b cables a few weeks back and they replaced a set of cables from Amazon that cost around $20. The MIT cables had a list price of $249 IIRC. I've noticed two differences: The high end sounds as if it's rolled off just a bit causing a more laid back sound. I like that. The other difference is that the volume is lower.
I paid $49 for these cables and I'm happy with the build quality and so far I like the high end rolloff but I would not have been happy if I'd paid $249. I'll give them a few more weeks and see how I adapt to them.

Why do the cable adopters become so angry with those who doubt or just flat out don't believe that cables make a difference? The adopters tell the non believers to get out of the thread or make sarcastic comments like "here they come" This forum has plenty of room for both viewpoints until the owners decide differently. Some of the posts in this thread should be reported for name calling. There is childlike behavior on both sides showing that some here are completely lacking in character.:frown:

heiney9

DON73 wrote: »

Why do the cable adopters become so angry with those who doubt or just flat out don't believe that cables make a difference?

It's very simple DON73, most of the trolling about cables come form those who have never bothered to even try different cables, yet they are hell bent on claiming cables don't matter and are nothing more than a bunch of snake oil.

I have never personally been neagative to someone, like yourself, who gives it a try and finds a certain cable doesn't work for them. I like MIT's and I think they might just be the best cable going. Your findings seem to be less enthusiastic. That's great, atleast you tried them and you can comment because of actual experience.

Those naysayers that jump in on every thread and put the hammer down about what idiots those of us are that spend money on cables because we hear a difference, but they have never even tried different cables are the ones that get verbally combative with.

Many have been given opportunities to experiment with cables for the cost of postage. But, since they aren't genuine and are really trolling, they ignore it and continue to name call and express opinions that have no basis.

H9

TouchOfEvil

heiney9 wrote: »

It's very simple DON73, most of the trolling about cables come form those who have never bothered to even try different cables, yet they are hell bent on claiming cables don't matter and are nothing more than a bunch of snake oil.

I have never personally been neagative to someone, like yourself, who gives it a try and finds a certain cable doesn't work for them. I like MIT's and I think they might just be the best cable going. Your findings seem to be less enthusiastic. That's great, atleast you tried them and you can comment because of actual experience.

Those naysayers that jump in on every thread and put the hammer down about what idiots those of us are that spend money on cables because we hear a difference, but they have never even tried different cables are the ones that get verbally combative with.

Many have been given opportunities to experiment with cables for the cost of postage. But, since they aren't genuine and are really trolling, they ignore it and continue to name call and express opinions that have no basis.

H9

Great post, this basically sums it all up IMO.

nguyendot

I hate you, and your clean setup

digitalvideo

For you guys to let me get to you like this to get such a reaction out of you shows I'm right, you can't stand the fact that people question your obsessiveness of cables and how it's ridiculous to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on something that either doesn't have any difference in performance at all or is so small that it's not even worth the amount of money spent to try to exploit it. I along with many chuckle at you fools for throwing so much money away on cables for such a poor return in investment. Remember the "cost performance ratio factor."

Toolfan66

digitalvideo wrote: »

For you guys to let me get to you like this to get such a reaction out of you shows I'm right, you can't stand the fact that people question your obsessiveness of cables and how it's ridiculous to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on something that either doesn't have any difference in performance at all or is so small that it's not even worth the amount of money spent to try to exploit it. I along with many chuckle at you fools for throwing so much money away on cables for such a poor return in investment. Remember the "cost performance ratio factor."

Fist of all what do you care what one does with their money? Second I have an HT set-up almost like yours and $1000 cables would not be worth it, in my 2 channel rig Yes I would and have, worth every penny..

F1nut

digitalvideo wrote: »

For you guys to let me get to you like this to get such a reaction out of you shows I'm right, you can't stand the fact that people question your obsessiveness of cables and how it's ridiculous to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on something that either doesn't have any difference in performance at all or is so small that it's not even worth the amount of money spent to try to exploit it. I along with many chuckle at you fools for throwing so much money away on cables for such a poor return in investment. Remember the "cost performance ratio factor."

Hilarious, you just admitted you were trolling.

TouchOfEvil

F1nut wrote: »

Hilarious, you just admitted you were trolling. Time to hit the ban button on this ****.

I agree, reading all his post in just this thread alone i find it amazing he has not been banned in the last two years.

polkfarmboy

Not to keep the thread going but the hdmi cable is just a really crap return for the money when you compare this to the diff audio cables make to a system for sound quality .

I did get an expensive hdmi cable and the difference it made was too small to notice even when using martin logans

Too many people put crappy speakers next to good cables and think they are doing it right .

BlueFox

Yes. This whole thread, and others involving DV, somehow get into the "an HDMI cable is the same as an audio cable." theme.

Last weekend I replaced my ‘whatever’ 4 meter HDMI cable with a 5 meter Pangea cable. I forgot the exact price but it was around $30. Anyway, the extra length really makes my life easier, but I do not think the picture is any better, and I only use HDMI for video.

However, in both my HT and two channel system, analog cable upgrades (power, IC, speaker) have made obvious, positive and, to me, worthwhile improvements in the sound.

digitalvideo

TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »

Fist of all what do you care what one does with their money? Second I have an HT set-up almost like yours and $1000 cables would not be worth it, in my 2 channel rig Yes I would and have, worth every penny.. Now if and when you want to step up your game and actually try other gear and cables why not just STFU and go manscape it will help your **** actually look bigger then trolling here to help you feel better about yourself then the ridiculous life you live..

Well thanks for showing how immature you are and who you really are. Now think about it, we're having a cable debate, sure some jabs are thrown here and there in a sort of facetious way but for you to resort to that sort of language says more about you than anyone else who can't articulate your beliefs as a mature adult over some silly debate. Learn some manners and stop taking this silly non-important trivial cable theories so seriously. Everyone has a right to mock those who waste their money on things that aren't worth what you paid into it. You mind as well spend $1000 on spark plugs on your car and expect to get 2 horsepower gain.

kawizx9r

So uhm, where do you live?

Just wondering why you were acting oblivious to my post. If only you you'd act like a grown **** man, you might have a chance to listen to someone's rig/cables in person since I'd bet there are at least a few Polkies living around your area.

At this point, I wouldn't even want to see you walking around the neighborhood.

It's just too bad that for you that you're really missing out on your own system.

Toolfan66

digitalvideo wrote: »

Well thanks for showing how immature you are and who you really are. Now think about it, we're having a cable debate, sure some jabs are thrown here and there in a sort of facetious way but for you to resort to that sort of language says more about you than anyone else who can't articulate your beliefs as a mature adult over some silly debate. Learn some manners and stop taking this silly non-important trivial cable theories so seriously. Everyone has a right to mock those who waste their money on things that aren't worth what you paid into it. You mind as well spend $1000 on spark plugs on your car and expect to get 2 horsepower gain.

Feel better now???

polkfarmboy

TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »

Feel better now???

Dude I really think you have to tone it down

I know by your posts you wana be the funny guy and center of attention but this forum belongs to polk

you need a warning soon

Hawkeye

While I can understand and accept cable non-believers frame of mind, why do we here at CP continue to feed the troll?

Don't you guys get tired of the same old anti-cable tirades these folks spout? Ignore them and don't feed the trolls.

I appreciate Dan's input on the differences of different wires. It is HIS opinion and should be respected by both sides. If you agree with his findings, fine. If you don't, then at the least you should do is calmly disagree if your only experience is entry level.

I have a 75K stereo system in my living room. It is very revealing and is ruthless in revealing strengths and weaknesses in any component I introduce for experimentation. Nobody needs 75K worth of gear to know that EVERYTHING matters.

Let DV use others to make decisions for him. Those of who have at LEAST tried to use our own ears for decisions can sleep well.

Gordon

Toolfan66

Agreed Gordon,

I just listed a couple more. +1 about Don..

Toolfan66

Nm......

polkfarmboy

Hawkeye wrote: »

While I can understand and accept cable non-believers frame of mind, why do we here at CP continue to feed the troll?

Don't you guys get tired of the same old anti-cable tirades these folks spout? Ignore them and don't feed the trolls.

I appreciate Dan's input on the differences of different wires. It is HIS opinion and should be respected by both sides. If you agree with his findings, fine. If you don't, then at the least you should do is calmly disagree if your only experience is entry level.

I have a 75K stereo system in my living room. It is very revealing and is ruthless in revealing strengths and weaknesses in any component I introduce for experimentation. Nobody needs 75K worth of gear to know that EVERYTHING matters.

Let DV use others to make decisions for him. Those of who have at LEAST tried to use our own ears for decisions can sleep well.

Gordon

75K omg :biggrin:

Gordon pardon me for asking but how much did you pay for your home ?

treitz3

....-vs- how much you paid for yours? What does that matter? Some have paid that much over the years for apparently what you yearn to hear. No?

Cost = nothing in regards to the end result.

treitz3

....maybe....but to a point. That is to be determined upon the listener.

digitalvideo

For those who support the idea of expensive cables in their system, your logic is flawed since members here have auditioned many expensive cables and they have said they didn't like the sound of some of them whether it be psychological or real and took them out and put in cheaper ones that sounded better. So the people who swear by more expensive cables being better there's no proof to that and what makes them "better"?

I'd like to see a test done where we put 100 people in a theater and do a blind sound test with all sorts of music, no one knows which cables are being switched in and out, I bet none of you would even know which cable is which or even really hear a big difference, the cheap cables might even sound better than the expensive ones if there is even a difference.

What is being questioned is the whole idea and concept of "price equals performance" that's being questioned here and are you getting your money's worth and what are you getting back in return? More expensive doesn't mean "better"

And I been asking these questions and yes in a bit of a mocking way but the reactions I got was amazing, how personal and emotional you guys get when someone comes along and dares question you on this like it's the 10 Commandments and it's written in stone, it's like you're accusing me of blasphemy. Learn to handle criticism.

halo71

DV....why in the world the powers that be that own this forum have allowed you to remain a member here is truly beyond me. You clearly do not know what you are talking about.

While not an HDMI cable story. I must admit that once I was kinda on the fence about expensive cables. I just could not see how they could make a difference. BUT, I was not dumb enough (unlike you) to tell everyone else they were stupid that it does not make a difference. I was running Monster Cable to my speakers.
Then Freddy here on the forum sent me a pair of MIT Terminator 6 cables. I immediately noticed a difference. Better bass, more defined upper range in my speakers etc.

So perhaps before you open your mouth and confirm your lack of intelligence. You might want to "try" some better cables first. Anyone that gets their kicks from purposely baiting and trolling a forum...well thats another thread in itself I think. Not sure where the gratification is there.

digitalvideo

halo71 wrote: »

Then Freddy here on the forum sent me a pair of MIT Terminator 6 cables. I immediately noticed a difference. Better bass, more defined upper range in my speakers etc.

So perhaps before you open your mouth and confirm your lack of intelligence. You might want to "try" some better cables first. Anyone that gets their kicks from purposely baiting and trolling a forum...well thats another thread in itself I think. Not sure where the gratification is there.

Oh really eh?

Serendipity wrote:

+1

To a large extent, but not always entirely:

I agree. I have heard many different cables ranging from cheap to very expensive, and honestly I didn't hear a significant difference. A cheap $10 HDMI cable sounded the same as a $129 HDMI cable, even after some time to allow for break in.

As for interconnects, I've had the opportunity to compare regular RCA's (the ones supplied with a VCR or cable box) against MIT cables and still didn't hear much of a difference. The two other polkies there (Face, Polrbehr) said there was a significant difference. I said that I respectfully disagree and that I preferred the sound of the cheap RCA's better. They still insisted that there was a big difference between the cables.

My advice is who cares what others think, it is up to YOU if you hear a difference or not.

There is no right or wrong in audio, just different opinions.

So you claim MIT's make a difference, but Serendipity said he didn't notice a difference. So who's right?

We still haven't discussed any blind back to back tests where the testers had no idea which cables were being tested to make a non-partisan unbiased objective opinion.