You don't need close to 200wpc

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2011
    zumbo wrote: »

    I am very impressed by my Denon POA-2200.

    This series of amps never impressed me. Decent for sure but not impressive and I'm talking about the sound not the specs.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2011
    zumbo wrote: »
    That's a mighty fine SS amp you have there.:rolleyes: Are you even reading my post?:confused:

    Yes, I am reading your posts (although I'm not sure why)

    .2% distortion is pretty poor

    10 extra watts at 4 ohm is pretty poor

    30 wpc max is poor

    All by your standards of basing a decision on specs.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited February 2011
    Look boys. It's OK.

    Brock is quite right when he states that you really can't hear distortion below one percent. Let's step back and take a breath and realize the zumbo is stating an opinion and that this thread has been going for a while now and it might be good for anyone posting to read the 'entire' thread before hopping on for the ride.

    Now back to our regularly scheduled programing!

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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    This series of amps never impressed me. Decent for sure but not impressive and I'm talking about the sound not the specs.

    H9

    Well, I can only judge the sound of this particular amp with my speakers compared to the Adcom I own with my speakers.

    And in that sense, there is no comparison.

    Which supports my claim of SS amp specs.

    I know very well the tube amps have poor THD. But this thread is about 200WPC amps. Pretty sure none of you guys posting against me at the moment have a 200WPC tube amp.

    Hell, I wish I had that kind of money myself. I can darn sure bet you it would outperform your little unit, otherwise they wouldn't bring 6k+.
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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Yes, I am reading your posts (although I'm not sure why)

    .2% distortion is pretty poor

    10 extra watts at 4 ohm is pretty poor

    30 wpc max is poor

    All by your standards of basing a decision on specs.

    H9

    I didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

    SS stands for solid state, or are you not aware of that?:rolleyes:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2011
    zumbo wrote: »
    Well, I can only judge the sound of this particular amp with my speakers compared to the Adcom I own with my speakers.

    Fair enough but you did state you rely on specs to find a good design not sound. Now you are saying you based your decision on what you heard.

    Which is it? Can't have it both ways

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2011
    zumbo wrote: »
    I didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

    SS stands for solid state, or are you not aware of that?:rolleyes:

    I hope you took some of those turnips with you, because it IS a solid state amp.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2011
    zumbo wrote: »
    But this thread is about 200WPC amps.

    No it's not, it's about NOT needing a 200wpc amp. Try reading the entire thread before commenting.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I hope you took some of those turnips with you, because it IS a solid state amp.

    H9

    If it were, you would've posted what it was.

    But looking at the specs, I can tell you it's a tube amp.

    So, I did get a pretty good bit of information from the specs.:wink:
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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Fair enough but you did state you rely on specs to find a good design not sound. Now you are saying you based your decision on what you heard.

    Which is it? Can't have it both ways

    H9

    Hey, you brought-up the sound of my amp, not me.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2011
    Look at my sig. I would post a few links but it's apparent you don't read so I'm not going to bother. If you had read the entire thread or the other link I posted you wouldn't be carrying on like this.

    Enjoy some tunes

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    No it's not, it's about NOT needing a 200wpc amp. Try reading the entire thread before commenting.

    H9

    Yep, and I am telling you I experience much better performance from my 200WPC amp than my 125WPC amp.

    And I am also telling you that a 200WPC tube amp would make you forget all about your little tube amp.

    Hell man, I like the tube sound too.

    But, your thread title doesn't state tube.

    But, I clearly stated SS over-and-over.

    And none of you have yet to post a wimpy SS amp with high THD that is worthy of a dollar.
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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Look at my sig. I would post a few links but it's apparent you don't read so I'm not going to bother. If you had read the entire thread or the other link I posted you wouldn't be carrying on like this.

    Enjoy some tunes

    H9

    I am having a sig problem, which I mentioned in the thread. I don't see mine or yours.
    zumbo wrote: »
    And I don't know what is up with my sig.:biggrin:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2011
    Pass Labs Aleph 30
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Pass Labs Aleph 30

    Class A.

    So I left out Class A.

    So again I tell you, a 200WPC Class A amp would make someone forget about that unit. Probably make someone forget about owning their house too.

    Trying to compare apples to apples here.

    Your thread is comparing the sound of different class amps based on WPC.

    It's pointless.

    The mods should edit your thread title for you.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2011
    My head is bloodied by banging it against a brick wall. You are clueless as to what this thread is about. And clueless about this hobby. I started the thread stating you don't need close to 200 wpc.

    You are now on the IL

    Buh Bye

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    My head is bloodied by banging it against a brick wall. You are clueless as to what this thread is about. And clueless about this hobby. I started the thread stating you don't need close to 200 wpc.

    You are now on the IL

    Buh Bye

    H9

    Your thread should read you don't need close to 200WPC class AB to have the sound of a low powered Class A or low powered tube amp.

    If you had titled your thread correctly, it would not have lasted this long.

    It's pointless.

    Class for Class, WPC matter my friend, and it's you who needs to buy a clue.

    Your thread was created for battle, and you quit. Pathetic.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2011
    zumbo wrote: »
    Your thread should read you don't need close to 200WPC class AB to have the sound of a low powered Class A or low powered tube amp.

    If you had titled your thread correctly, it would not have lasted this long.

    It's pointless.

    Class for Class, WPC matter my friend, and it's you who needs to buy a clue.

    Your thread was created for battle, and you quit. Pathetic.

    Are you the thread police now? He can name it whatever HE want's since he started it. Start your own if you want too. But I won't be seeing it.
    You are now on the IL

    Buh Bye

    H9

    I think I'll join you Brock.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2011
    I'll be right back....

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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    I will add that while I stated SS, I too should have been more specific and stated Class AB SS.

    100% sure you were referring to 200WPC Class AB SS in your thread title, so didn't figure it needed to be clarified.

    Anyone owning a 200WPC Class A amp, or 200WPC tube amp, wouldn't be lame enough to be @ CP debating with you.:wink:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2011
    shack wrote: »
    I think I'll join you Brock.

    He gone............

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2011
    zumbo wrote: »
    I will add that while I stated SS, I too should have been more specific and stated Class AB SS.

    100% sure you were referring to 200WPC Class AB SS in your thread title, so didn't figure it needed to be clarified.

    Anyone owning a 200WPC Class A amp, or 200WPC tube amp, wouldn't be lame enough to be @ CP debating with you.:wink:

    Sorry we are not good enough...
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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    Good lord man, are y'all 12 years old?:eek:

    WOW!
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited February 2011
    What about my 8wpc SET 300B amp? A 200wpc tube amp would not sound similar to it because it would not be a single ended triode amp using 300B tubes.
    Jake
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2011
    I'm gonna be 15 next month. Are you a grown up?
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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    Ricardo wrote: »
    Sorry we are not good enough...

    Clear enough would be the correct response.:wink:
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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    Ricardo wrote: »
    I'm gonna be 15 next month. Are you a grown up?

    Now I am ROTFLMAO.:biggrin:

    ID please.:rolleyes:

    Look, I am glad you guys found little amps you could afford to give you audio bliss.

    I enjoy the stuff myself.

    But, I have made my point about the thread title. My point is clear, and correct.

    None of you have been able to provide any evidence of the thread titles worthiness in a class for class comparison.

    And now, it's turned childish.
    heiney9 wrote: »
    You don't need close to 200wpc
    H9

    Yes, I do. My speakers are not resistive, and are 87db 1w1m.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2011
    Ricardo wrote:
    I'm gonna be 15 next month. Are you a grown up?

    Anybody told your wife? There may be a child molestation case here...:wink:
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,008
    edited February 2011
    Folks, meet the latest Club Polk Troll. His prior posts give you an example of his experience, thorough audio knowledge and........well..........er, uh........*couBSgh*

    Have a nice evening.
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  • zumbo
    zumbo Posts: 37
    edited February 2011
    Yet another reply without any reference to the point of the thread, or any evidence of thread worthiness.

    And then, run.

    Is there any point in me staying around, or is this the general childish attitude of CP?

    I was invited to come here because I was told this was a great place. This is childish.

    Men face the music. Boys make childish statements, and then run. Just like specs, I am able to gather a great deal of information about the product.:cool:
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