Greatest thing since sliced pizza?

stretchlstretchl Posts: 1,027
Are any of you following the thread below on audiogon? Sounds like a lot of hogwash to me, but then again tin foil hats were never my style.

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/new-tweak-its-fantastic
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  • decaldecal Posts: 3,063
    Like all "tweak" threads, it's just a big pissing contest.
    If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,545
    Not commenting on the efficacy, but it seems like a coordinated guerilla marketing campaign. Pretty incredible, though, how it can make a $10 CD player sound like a $10,000 model! :p
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  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,145
    edited June 29
    I have some cerious technologies speaker cables and interconnects based on graphene, while they are great sounding cables they are not miles ahead of every other cable.
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  • msgmsg Posts: 4,264
    edited June 29
    I'm just here to say the thread title made me stop for a second, and gave me a chuckle.

    Just quickly skimmed a few of the posts in the other thread. Interesting idea in the name of "smoothing" or "closing the gap" in the conductivity path. It's something I'd be open to a demo for to satisfy the curiosity.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,752
    microarching, eh?

    Tiny bridges?

    Tiny ships from the old testament?

    maybe microarcing?

    (as if that were a thing)
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,509
    Literally snake oil.

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  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 1,808
    The Audiogon thread says it makes a world of difference... yet somehow I still think it’s a “difference” I can’t hear... :tongue:
    Not Tom, or Trey, or Jim
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    An old post I found on AK, from 2013.
    I've always thought the goal of high end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,509
    Jumping off my AQ Type 2 review thread, I think you'd easily be able to hear the difference between standard speaker wire and the T2. Hope you can give it a try soon.
    mlistens03 wrote: »
    The Audiogon thread says it makes a world of difference... yet somehow I still think it’s a “difference” I can’t hear... :tongue:

    Got Dayens?
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 1,808
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Jumping off my AQ Type 2 review thread, I think you'd easily be able to hear the difference between standard speaker wire and the T2. Hope you can give it a try soon.
    mlistens03 wrote: »
    The Audiogon thread says it makes a world of difference... yet somehow I still think it’s a “difference” I can’t hear... :tongue:

    I was talking in direct correlation to the “special paste” mentioned in that thread, not cables, I know that they’d make a difference. I will be getting cables when my gear sells, but I just have to wait for... well, my gear to sell.
    Micah
    Not Tom, or Trey, or Jim
    Main setup:
    Speakers are one of three, Mission Freedom 770 IV’s, Polk LSi25’s, or Polk SDA-CRS (stock XO, SL2000’s, Blade/Blade model). Electronics are as follows: for the LSi’s and SDA’s, a Technics SU-v75 acting as a phono preamp, into a Yamaha RX-v665, into a Crown XLi800 power amplifier. For the Missions, I have a Lafayette LR-1100. Turntable is a Technics SL-3200, with a Shure M97xE. Cables are generic/soon to be replaced garbage.
    An old post I found on AK, from 2013.
    I've always thought the goal of high end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,509
    Yeah I know you were talking about the aforementioned snake oil, it just reminded me of your situation and I got excited for you to hear the change between standard wire and the Type 2! :)
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,752
    mlistens03 wrote: »
    The Audiogon thread says it makes a world of difference... yet somehow I still think it’s a “difference” I can’t hear... :tongue:

    Well -- you know what they say...


    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,509
    Interesting. I've heard/read something from the opposite end of the spectrum, that you don't want to touch/disturb/move interconnects and speaker cables once you've installed or put them into place. The thought behind it is that as you use them, small cracks/fissures/pathways form on the surface of the copper wire where the electrical signal is traveling. Moving/bending the cable would disrupt those paths and they'd then have to be reformed by several hours of use.
    Got Dayens?
  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 6,581
    I know my system is a lot quieter if I don't disturb the on/off switch.
    "And the house you live in will never fall down
    If you pity the stranger who stands at your gate" G.Lightfoot
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,752
    I know my system is a lot quieter if I don't disturb the on/off switch.

    Similarly, in terms of cable debates, I've always found that my hifi sounds considerably better with cables than without.

    Now I'll admit that the source material may have some impact on that.

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    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,752
    PS No offense meant to any Kenny G fans on the board -- whether you'd wish to cop to it or not.

    :)
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,455
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    PS No offense meant to any Kenny G fans on the board -- whether you'd wish to cop to it or not.

    :)

    I'll admit to being somewhat of a fan...got lots of, umm, knowledge in the biblical sense. Went to two different concerts back in the early 90's with two different ladies that loved him. Was surprised that he really put on a good show and had a good band. He has a great sense of humor. The things I've done to get next to a girl.
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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,455
    Back on topic, I prefer snail slime to coat all my contacts. It's organic.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
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  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 6,581
    There was an electrical contact "enhancer" named Tweek that was highly touted for improving the quality of sound. And, I confess, it did seem to make a beneficial difference when used sparingly on connections that transferred small level signals. It was highly reviewed in both Stereophile and The Absolute Sound. The problem was that after some time the chemical composition of the material would change and conductivity would become intermittent, so you'd have one channel or both dropping out. Everybody had to cleanup all their "Tweeked" RCA plugs and sockets
    "And the house you live in will never fall down
    If you pity the stranger who stands at your gate" G.Lightfoot
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 10,564
    There was an electrical contact "enhancer" named Tweek that was highly touted for improving the quality of sound. And, I confess, it did seem to make a beneficial difference when used sparingly on connections that transferred small level signals. It was highly reviewed in both Stereophile and The Absolute Sound. The problem was that after some time the chemical composition of the material would change and conductivity would become intermittent, so you'd have one channel or both dropping out. Everybody had to cleanup all their "Tweeked" RCA plugs and sockets

    I remember that.
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,545
    There was an electrical contact "enhancer" named Tweek that was highly touted for improving the quality of sound. And, I confess, it did seem to make a beneficial difference when used sparingly on connections that transferred small level signals. It was highly reviewed in both Stereophile and The Absolute Sound. The problem was that after some time the chemical composition of the material would change and conductivity would become intermittent, so you'd have one channel or both dropping out. Everybody had to cleanup all their "Tweeked" RCA plugs and sockets
    From the little I read, I got the idea that this new product was also from the same inventor as Tweek. I could be wrong, but I don't care enough to go back through the thread... I'll probably just go the rest of my life with sub-optimal connections. :/
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  • verbverb Posts: 2,959
    There was an electrical contact "enhancer" named Tweek that was highly touted for improving the quality of sound. And, I confess, it did seem to make a beneficial difference when used sparingly on connections that transferred small level signals. It was highly reviewed in both Stereophile and The Absolute Sound. The problem was that after some time the chemical composition of the material would change and conductivity would become intermittent, so you'd have one channel or both dropping out. Everybody had to cleanup all their "Tweeked" RCA plugs and sockets

    I had to chuckle on that one. In the meantime the seller packed up his covered wagon and rode into the next town! :smile:
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,197
    I'll stick with Pro Gold.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • westmassguywestmassguy Posts: 6,100
    There was an electrical contact "enhancer" named Tweek that was highly touted for improving the quality of sound. And, I confess, it did seem to make a beneficial difference when used sparingly on connections that transferred small level signals. It was highly reviewed in both Stereophile and The Absolute Sound. The problem was that after some time the chemical composition of the material would change and conductivity would become intermittent, so you'd have one channel or both dropping out. Everybody had to cleanup all their "Tweeked" RCA plugs and sockets

    I used it back in the day, and it worked initially, but after some time it "Hardened" to a glue like consistency. I ripped a few ground shields off trying to pry interconnects off my receiver or amp at the time.
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  • westmassguywestmassguy Posts: 6,100
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    microarching, eh?

    Tiny bridges?

    Tiny ships from the old testament?

    maybe microarcing?

    (as if that were a thing)

    How can you have an arc, micro or otherwise, if the there's already a mechanical connection between the two metal contacts?
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    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer
    Cables: Speaker: Furez 10/2 with GLS Locking Banana Plugs
    Interconnect: Furez 10/2 with SpeakONs
    ICs: Custom Furez by Douglas Connections
    Den:
    Bose 901 Series II Continentals Restored, Re-Built Equalizer with Elna Silmic IIs, Sonicaps, and Silver Mica Caps
    Carver CT-3 Pre, Carver C-500

    dhsspeakerservice.com/
    Exclusive Distributor of Gimpod's Custom SDA Circuit Boards

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,752
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    microarching, eh?

    Tiny bridges?

    Tiny ships from the old testament?

    maybe microarcing?

    (as if that were a thing)

    How can you have an arc, micro or otherwise, if the there's already a mechanical connection between the two metal contacts?

    The ad copy invoked microarching -- I envision a tiny Utah landscape.
    Not sure what the sonic impact would be of that -- maybe tiny echoes?


    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • msgmsg Posts: 4,264
    My understanding of this theory and all the micro talk was about how no hard metal surface is truly smooth at the micro level, hence the arcing (or arching for little Utahs), and that this conductive liquid fills in the gaps.
  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 6,581
    edited July 2
    Gentlemen, please remain on topic, thanks.
    "And the house you live in will never fall down
    If you pity the stranger who stands at your gate" G.Lightfoot
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