Greatest thing since sliced pizza?
stretchl
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Are any of you following the thread below on audiogon? Sounds like a lot of hogwash to me, but then again tin foil hats were never my style.
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/new-tweak-its-fantastic
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/new-tweak-its-fantastic
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https://media.illinois.edu/journalism/ledford-charles-stretch
bit.ly/stretchonphotojournalism
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- Isaac Asimov
Hi-Fi
Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> Odyssey Khartargo Mono Plus --> LSiM-705's
Cabling by Groneberg
Visuals
https://media.illinois.edu/journalism/ledford-charles-stretch
bit.ly/stretchonphotojournalism
http://Vimeo.com/channels/stretchphoto
Comments
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Like all "tweak" threads, it's just a big pissing contest.If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
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Not commenting on the efficacy, but it seems like a coordinated guerilla marketing campaign. Pretty incredible, though, how it can make a $10 CD player sound like a $10,000 model!
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I have some cerious technologies speaker cables and interconnects based on graphene, while they are great sounding cables they are not miles ahead of every other cable.
www.cerioustechnologies.com
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I'm just here to say the thread title made me stop for a second, and gave me a chuckle.
Just quickly skimmed a few of the posts in the other thread. Interesting idea in the name of "smoothing" or "closing the gap" in the conductivity path. It's something I'd be open to a demo for to satisfy the curiosity.I disabled signatures. -
microarching, eh?
Tiny bridges?
Tiny ships from the old testament?
maybe microarcing?
(as if that were a thing)
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Literally snake oil.
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The Audiogon thread says it makes a world of difference... yet somehow I still think it’s a “difference” I can’t hear...
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Jumping off my AQ Type 2 review thread, I think you'd easily be able to hear the difference between standard speaker wire and the T2. Hope you can give it a try soon.mlistens03 wrote: »The Audiogon thread says it makes a world of difference... yet somehow I still think it’s a “difference” I can’t hear...
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Jumping off my AQ Type 2 review thread, I think you'd easily be able to hear the difference between standard speaker wire and the T2. Hope you can give it a try soon.mlistens03 wrote: »The Audiogon thread says it makes a world of difference... yet somehow I still think it’s a “difference” I can’t hear...
I was talking in direct correlation to the “special paste” mentioned in that thread, not cables, I know that they’d make a difference. I will be getting cables when my gear sells, but I just have to wait for... well, my gear to sell.
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Yeah I know you were talking about the aforementioned snake oil, it just reminded me of your situation and I got excited for you to hear the change between standard wire and the Type 2!
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mlistens03 wrote: »The Audiogon thread says it makes a world of difference... yet somehow I still think it’s a “difference” I can’t hear...
Well -- you know what they say...
https://youtu.be/CbIhYhrOJAg
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In my semi-humble opinion a similar improvement would be heard if all anyone did was disconnect and reconnect all pertinent connectors in an audio chain; from cartridge pins to RCA cables, fuses in fuse holders, speaker wire connections, circuit board edge connectors, AC cords and tape head blocks. Anyplace one piece of metal attaches to another.
Even audio conservative Julian Hirsch felt that would improve things. -
Interesting. I've heard/read something from the opposite end of the spectrum, that you don't want to touch/disturb/move interconnects and speaker cables once you've installed or put them into place. The thought behind it is that as you use them, small cracks/fissures/pathways form on the surface of the copper wire where the electrical signal is traveling. Moving/bending the cable would disrupt those paths and they'd then have to be reformed by several hours of use.
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I know my system is a lot quieter if I don't disturb the on/off switch.
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KennethSwauger wrote: »I know my system is a lot quieter if I don't disturb the on/off switch.
Similarly, in terms of cable debates, I've always found that my hifi sounds considerably better with cables than without.
Now I'll admit that the source material may have some impact on that.
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PS No offense meant to any Kenny G fans on the board -- whether you'd wish to cop to it or not.
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mhardy6647 wrote: »PS No offense meant to any Kenny G fans on the board -- whether you'd wish to cop to it or not.
I'll admit to being somewhat of a fan...got lots of, umm, knowledge in the biblical sense. Went to two different concerts back in the early 90's with two different ladies that loved him. Was surprised that he really put on a good show and had a good band. He has a great sense of humor. The things I've done to get next to a girl. -
Back on topic, I prefer snail slime to coat all my contacts. It's organic.
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There was an electrical contact "enhancer" named Tweek that was highly touted for improving the quality of sound. And, I confess, it did seem to make a beneficial difference when used sparingly on connections that transferred small level signals. It was highly reviewed in both Stereophile and The Absolute Sound. The problem was that after some time the chemical composition of the material would change and conductivity would become intermittent, so you'd have one channel or both dropping out. Everybody had to cleanup all their "Tweeked" RCA plugs and sockets
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KennethSwauger wrote: »There was an electrical contact "enhancer" named Tweek that was highly touted for improving the quality of sound. And, I confess, it did seem to make a beneficial difference when used sparingly on connections that transferred small level signals. It was highly reviewed in both Stereophile and The Absolute Sound. The problem was that after some time the chemical composition of the material would change and conductivity would become intermittent, so you'd have one channel or both dropping out. Everybody had to cleanup all their "Tweeked" RCA plugs and sockets
I remember that. -
KennethSwauger wrote: »There was an electrical contact "enhancer" named Tweek that was highly touted for improving the quality of sound. And, I confess, it did seem to make a beneficial difference when used sparingly on connections that transferred small level signals. It was highly reviewed in both Stereophile and The Absolute Sound. The problem was that after some time the chemical composition of the material would change and conductivity would become intermittent, so you'd have one channel or both dropping out. Everybody had to cleanup all their "Tweeked" RCA plugs and sockets
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KennethSwauger wrote: »There was an electrical contact "enhancer" named Tweek that was highly touted for improving the quality of sound. And, I confess, it did seem to make a beneficial difference when used sparingly on connections that transferred small level signals. It was highly reviewed in both Stereophile and The Absolute Sound. The problem was that after some time the chemical composition of the material would change and conductivity would become intermittent, so you'd have one channel or both dropping out. Everybody had to cleanup all their "Tweeked" RCA plugs and sockets
I had to chuckle on that one. In the meantime the seller packed up his covered wagon and rode into the next town!Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
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I'll stick with Pro Gold.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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KennethSwauger wrote: »There was an electrical contact "enhancer" named Tweek that was highly touted for improving the quality of sound. And, I confess, it did seem to make a beneficial difference when used sparingly on connections that transferred small level signals. It was highly reviewed in both Stereophile and The Absolute Sound. The problem was that after some time the chemical composition of the material would change and conductivity would become intermittent, so you'd have one channel or both dropping out. Everybody had to cleanup all their "Tweeked" RCA plugs and sockets
I used it back in the day, and it worked initially, but after some time it "Hardened" to a glue like consistency. I ripped a few ground shields off trying to pry interconnects off my receiver or amp at the time.Home Theater/2 Channel:
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mhardy6647 wrote: »microarching, eh?
Tiny bridges?
Tiny ships from the old testament?
maybe microarcing?
(as if that were a thing)
How can you have an arc, micro or otherwise, if the there's already a mechanical connection between the two metal contacts?Home Theater/2 Channel:
Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer
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westmassguy wrote: »mhardy6647 wrote: »microarching, eh?
Tiny bridges?
Tiny ships from the old testament?
maybe microarcing?
(as if that were a thing)
How can you have an arc, micro or otherwise, if the there's already a mechanical connection between the two metal contacts?
The ad copy invoked microarching -- I envision a tiny Utah landscape.
Not sure what the sonic impact would be of that -- maybe tiny echoes?
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My understanding of this theory and all the micro talk was about how no hard metal surface is truly smooth at the micro level, hence the arcing (or arching for little Utahs), and that this conductive liquid fills in the gaps.I disabled signatures.
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Gentlemen, please remain on topic, thanks.