New pair of Cherry Polk Audio LSI15 NIB W/Warranty $975. shipped

Thanks F1nut,

Actually, that doesn't sound too bad. The reason I was interested is related to a powered subwoofer that I have that has minor damage to a rear corner. Since it is flat black instead of gloss, it doesn't sound like fixing it would be difficult.

Well,

It's been a week since etool has posted and I've seen him lurking a few times. I think it's pretty safe to assume that the guy is an ****. What a guy, shafting someone else because he is too stupid or lazy to pack properly and insure.

Don't worry etool, what comes around goes around.

Troy

Hmm, Well? Bubblewrap - one time. No stuffing, or NETHING? WELL? WTF! Dude, Packing something well, 1,000 dollar item. 50 pounds+ each speaker. Try, double foam, double box, and bubble wrap. Bubblewrap dosnt cut it. Its none of our business, true that, however that is a mess.

Originally posted by eulogyt00l
I don't know what you people want me to do. Just GIVE the money back because of a Fedex error.

YES!

You obviously know very little about the legal responsibility of a seller of goods. Be glad that this is a long distance transaction because I assure you that were this to go to court YOU would lose.

YOU sold the merchandise and it was your responsibility to get it to the buyer in good condition.

YOU packaged the merchandise.

YOU hired the shipper.

YOU received compensation for the items sold.

In this case it is YOUR responsibility to take back the speakers for the price that was paid and it is YOUR job to go after Fed EX for the damage they caused since YOU hired them. This isn't about being a nice guy...it's about taking care of your legal responsibilities.

So the query you posed was:

I don't know what you people want me to do. Just GIVE the money back because of a Fedex error.

and the answer is YES!

It's one thing thinking FED ex might of been rough with the speakers, its one thing, you might not have packed them good enough, But regardless you have to own up to something and atleast take the steps, talk to him, make him payments, do the damm claim, what ever!! But pay him..

he seems like a nice guy and understanding, i am sure he would work with you.. you don't even want to talk about it!! Not saying he should "work with you" or you deserve a payment plan, But it would be better than, "Piss off im not paying him" type attitude

Originally posted by eulogyt00l
I mean I only posted this about 10 times.

And what else have you done?
Been to FedEx?
Called FedEx?
Anything?

It's none of your damn business anyway. ****!!

Sorry... Our Club. Our business. Our right to get involved, if we choose to do so. All earned by our participation.

e-tool,
Think back to your early participation, before all this occurred. Were you not developing a feeling of ownership as well?

At the start of this deal gone sour, you gave us half a chance to be sympathetic to your end of the situation and many, if not all, of us were. We offered you things you could try to do to work this out. But we have seen no evidence of action by you. And our sympathy fades…

Instead we learned how you came by the speakers and what they cost you. We learned that you profited. And our sympathy fades…

You said you felt pressure to ship the speakers. You then shipped them in haste. I know from first hand experience that haste and pressure are both part of the price of procrastination.

I believe you are feeling pressure right now, but the source is different. If I am right in that belief, that tells me you have a conscience that is not at peace right now. Nor will it be anytime soon if the only action you take is to post the occasional angry response here.

If, as you now say, the shipment was insured, file the claim tomorrow. If, as you said before, you thought it was insured, tomorrow visit the FedEx location that accepted the speakers and make your case. Either way make tomorrow the day you begin to work towards the resolution of this problem. And our sympathy will cease to fade…

First things first. I don't think we're done yet with this buyer/seller transaction. I'm not giving a dime and nor should anybody else that is outside of the actual transaction. The results of the facts will lead to a conclusion. There are a few variables that have yet to become facts.

Originally posted by eulogyt00l

So I'll tell you what. I was planning on giving any claim money I got to Janusch for repairs. But you make one more smart ****, immature comment and any money I get back from Fedex will go right into my bank account. All because you don't know how to contain your fat mouth and know it all attitude.

Totally remeniscent of Wangotango... (remember Troy, he said basically the same thing and blamed you for not paying me). Jeesh, if you aren't going to pay your debts then don't, and leave. That is all dependent on you, not Troy.
madmax

Edit: And anyway, why would fed ex give you anything considering you made the mistake in packaging? The packaging you provided wouldn't pass their requirements anyway. And even if they do pay, they will send directly to the buyer, unless you shipped air in which case they send to the seller. It is all right there on the claim forms. Don't you have a copy of them?

You know I read this thead and I have mixed feeling about it.

I think some of you **** should calm down and let them work it out.

If he didn't take insurance for the ship,then thats all him,thats a big risk.

I have sold alot of stuff to alot of you in here and had great experiences except with one.My beautiful Bello rack got damaged in shipping to Reeltroubles home.UPS packed the rack as I didn't have the orginal boxes anymore and wanted them to pack it as I felt it was the right thing to do.I spend a butt hole amount of money to ship and pack.They broke dented and scratched a couple parts,some came though just fine.Well I had Insurance on it,as I do with every single thing I have sold just in case.He took pic's of everything and called UPS upon delievery as they just dropped it off in his backyard.

This is between Reeltrouble and myself.We are working it out with UPS.I made the claim and they are going to cut a check for the value of the rack.Sad part is the fact that it's going to take a couple weeks.I don't know why it has to take so long but thats what they do........go figure.

My feelings is that Reeltrouble got a killer deal on a beautiful rack and it got trashed during shipping.I feel so bad about it.I thought I did everything on my side to make the ship go right.I also felt that UPS was the place to go since they bought Mailboxes ETC which is who packed my rack.

I really hope THEY can work this out between them.......I know all about effed up wango.........and now this dude but he hasn't been in here long enough to jump all over him.I don't think it's right.I don't think this entire thead is right.

Dan,
I endorse your tone down plea at this point. And I think it's doable now that we know that e-tool has initiated steps to set things right. Those of us PM-ing about the “15-fund” had already come to that conclusion.

Your deal with RT was private all the way, but even had it been public, there would have been no uprising. Why? Because you are a known quantity in this forum and whatever members think of your opinions, no one would ever have a doubt that you would set things to right.

This case was public from the start and appeared to be going badly. What we knew was being amplified by what we did not know. Add in that we don’t really know e-tool, and, being human, in the absence of information, we assumed the worst.

Anyway we now have both the information and a reasonable hope for a positive resolution.

madmax001,
I think your over reacting bud.no one needs to be out any amount of money.Money is to hard to come by these days,believe me I understand.
I know all the history of bad deals around here,I saw most of them live happen in here.It's unfortunate.

sometimes dealing online is tuff.Shipping companies hire people who for the most part don't give 2 **** about there job and handle packages like trash.I seen this from the inside as I worked for UPS when I was in college.

Re read my post if thats what your angry about.They meaning the 2 involved should work it out.If they don't and eulogyt00l stiffs Janusch then at very least he should be banned from the forum......

I hate to see this happen just as much as the next guy.All this asulting him doesn't seem to make anything better......

Tour2ma,
I just feel enough is enough.Everyone stated there opnion.It's a raw deal.....We shall see what comes out of it.I hope everything goes well.
I do remember reading about no insurance somewhere back in all that mad.......

Originally posted by mantis


Re read my post if thats what your angry about.They meaning the 2 involved should work it out.If they don't and eulogyt00l stiffs Janusch then at very least he should be banned from the forum......

I'm not angry about your post. What I am is annoyed about three aspects of this deal.

1: A mistake in judgement was made about how to package these speakers. When the idea bombed, it is made to look like the fault of the shipping agency and is left to them to pay. If they don't pay, well, there will be no payment. That is pure bull.

2: The speakers were advertised as "open box speakers" when originally purchased by etool. He advertised them as "NIB". (and then didn't even supply the box). There is a big difference. I'm sure the original seller could have demanded a higher price if he were willing to S-T-R-E-A-T-C-H the truth like this.

3: When defending himself he stated that he paid $25 for new boxes. When received by the buyer the boxes used were marked "golf clubs" and such.



I don't like deception or lack of responsibility whatever the reason. He eff'd up and should be willing to accept the speakers back with a refund or pay to get them fixed, let alone make a profit.

In essence, what does fedex have to do with this.

madmax

Originally posted by Janusch
Final Update:

The speakers arrived today. - Very badly damaged. - :mad:

Chronological information:

May 12 2003 - the deal was made - upon receipt of check
speakers will be sent

May 16 2003 - recieved check - but waited to wait until it clear -
asked for the speakers to be sent -

May 17 2003 - agreed to send the speakers today.

May 19 2003 - was informed the speakers were sent today -

May 22 2003 - thought I should of recieved them by now -

May 27 2003 - emailed me asking for zip code - re-sent him the
zip code -

May 28 2003 - recieved tracking numbers - could not locate
them inside of Fed Ex

May 29 2003 - the tracking indicated that they were scanned
between 5 and 6 today.

June 3 2003 - speakers arrived in u-haul shipping boxes with
only bubble wrap and plastic wrapped around
them. They were damaged also.


Since it was stated that they were still in the original boxes and only one was open, just to take the picture. What happen to the original boxes? I still have a hard time with them being sent out on the 19. They did come with the warrenty cards. This has not been a very easy purchase.

I (my husband) have done other purchase after this one from this site - So far they have turned out very well.


'The Wife'

OK, here is MY take on it.

If you don't wish to incur scrutiny on the forum, don't sell stuff here. It goes with the territory. That's just the nature of the beast. It's not a big secret if you do just a *little* research.

Second, I certainly hope that etool makes good on his end. I feel inclined to point out that he has been less than forthcoming with the facts to Janusch (see his wife's post I quoted above). A simple email to Janusch saying "hey, let's work this out so on and so forth" (at which point I'm sure Janusch would have posted that things were being worked out between him and etool and all would have been fine) would have avoided any unpleasantness. The FACTS are that etool did none of this. He claimed that the speakers were uninsured and vehemently stated that he was not going to shell out the money out of his pocket which tells me that he fully intended to leave Janusch holding the bag. At this point, Janusch, justifiably feeling that he was getting the shaft, takes it to the forum. I'm sorry, that **** DOESN'T fly with me. I don't care who it is. George Grand is right, you don't get three out of four stars for integrity and based on the previous statements of both the buyer and the seller, I fully support and defend my position, statements and actions.

For the record, I feel that it is the sellers responsibility to ensure that the item, once paid for, is delivered to the buyer as advertised. If it isn't it is the sellers responsibility to make it right with the buyer. Period. IMO, it is the sellers duty to refund or make restitution to the buyer (since he has the purchase money) and seek restitution from the carrier. The buyer shouldn't be jacked around waiting on a claim check. That's just the way it goes.

Now, having said that, since etool has resurfaced, I will remain civil. However since I am probably one of the little **** Dan refers to, let me just say that, yes, seeing a forum member very likely being screwed out of a thousand dollars is a VERY big deal to me and I will not let it pass without doing what I can to help set it right and if that means hurting someone's feelings, so be it. If others wis to sit idly and let it pass, that's fine, but that's not my way and until they repeal the free speech amendment that's the way it's going to be.

ATC,

I think you might be a little misguided here. I DON'T believe that people automatically assume they are going to get a hook-up here. I DO think that they expect to be dealt with fairly and honestly. I also think that we have our own method of 'policing' the flea market. Ebay has the public feedback ratings, we have the court of forum opinion.

I'd also say that there aren't a lot of folks on here with "a shitload of green". That's a faulty assumption. A thousand dollars to a public servant like me is a lot of money. A lot of us have families, mortgages and so forth and making ends meet is a challenge so I would caution you about making general statements about the financial situations of other forum members.

I certainly do hope we can close this ugly chapter and if etool makes good on his obligations I will apologize and retract my statements, however, until that happens I support and defend my position.

Troy