SVS vs Sunfire (?)

It really depends on A: how much money you want to spend? B: how big a sub you want? and yes size and price sometimes dictate a purchase for some. The SVS is very large, almost mamoth and not for everyone.. if you have the space it performs excellent on movies AND music.. I use mine for movies 90% until recently i had a dedicated 2 channel rig that i listened to music on... plus its a large purchase either demo locally or take a chance as everyone has a return policy..

Hey you have to give Bob Carver his due. If he does one thing well its to create a stir in the industry every time he introduces a "new" product line. He certainly has done some remarkable things with amps, etc over the years. Unfortunately it is done at a very high price usually.

Why are you getting pissed? Value has more to do with perception than $$$. There are far to many variables when it comes to choosing sub's, speakers, electronics, etc. There simply isn't a single sub on the market that can meet everyones requirements or expectations. Buy whatever looks the best/sounds the best/smells the best to you[/] and not what what everyone else thinks is the right choice. If a $100 sub rattles your fancy then who's to say it's garbage.

Svs's arent all that cheap.... start at 500.00 up to like 2500.00 isn't budget or cheap, they have from basic black to high end finishes so all this budget bang for buck makes em sound like cheap subs.. If you gotta have small and a well known name..... plenty to choose from. if you want something that works with anything and is huge... SVS

I usually place the sub at corner of the wall for a deep bass. Some critics say put in the front near the other speakers.

gadgetman wrote:

I usually place the sub at corner of the wall for a deep bass. Some critics say put in the front near the other speakers.

Putting the sub in the corner means nothing more than a boom box. Keep it out of the corner for music.

Yes, it can increase the amount of bass in a room. But sometimes that means it turns into a boomy sub.

Of course this will be different room to room. But generally, if you are looking for music first... the corner is not exactly your best starting point.

I'm not saying your wrong...

But you are saying I am wrong...

The farther my sub gets away from the corner, the more it tightens up, and this seems to follow with alot of people.

You both are totally ignoring my point. I mean its annoying.
Selective reading I guess?

I am NOT saying there are no benefits to corner loading. The benefits are increased output, lower extention. Yeah yeah yeah... who cares?

I'm talking MUSIC. Corner loading for MUSIC, is NOT always a good idea. Especially in most rooms. Getting a subwoofer AWAY** from walls is desireable for music. The less the house adds on, THE BETTER. Look at your house as nothing more than a trampoline, it resonates, it flexes... it adds ALOT to the music that you don't want in all frequencies.

Getting your sub AWAY from the walls is a good thing...

If your reply to my response right here involves the word Extention, Output, Increase infront of either of those words, please don't even reply. I know those benefits. If you can explain why moving a sub AWAY from the corner is bad for music... please, explain.

SVS says...

"Yet for the lowest extension, and the greatest natural reinforcement of the bass sound pressure level (SPL) corner placement is nearly always best in nearly every shape room (and regardless of the brand of subwoofer).. "

This is basically what you try to accomplish in a HT setup, but this is NOT always a desireable trait in music. HT does not really contain defined bass by no margin, your sub could be off the wall boomy and you wouldnt even notice it.

If you are running a music setup right now with your sub in the corner, try moving it out of the corner. You may lose some output, but the other results make up for it. The only time I have found a sub needing corner placement for music is when it just was to small for the room and couldnt keep up. It needed the reinforcement just to sound somewhat good.

I'm not trying to come off that way at all. I'm just sick of people ignoring various points of my argument, which is the only basis of my argument. The first part of my argument in this thread, was value. Now my argument is music.

There are different variables for different materials. For movies we have different placement, where a corner is better and a higher crossover is better. Where as with music, a more toned down subwoofer... with a lower crossover point is better.

Again, I'm not trying to say I know it all, but its often been found by a few on here and other forums keeping your sub away from the corner in music leads to a good thing.

As for bashing Sunfire... small subs are just something I don't "understand". While I understand why we have them, I also don't understand why we do... I don't mean to bash, reall I dont.

I think it goes along the lines its the exact opposite of what I have been taught... I've been taught that small speakers are never going to be as good as large speakers. So trying to put a small subwoofer in the same sentence as an absolutely gigantic subwoofer just confuses me. Because people saying that large speakers are better than small ones always, are the ones sitting here arguing the Sunfire is a great subwoofer. Which, I am sure it is - really, but I don't understand half of the entire platform behind it if that makes sense...

To me it is just "wrong". And when people tell me its good because its small, I just get frustrated more because I still don't understand it. I don't understand the entire thing to the point of being able to see the side of the owner of the Sunfire or any small subwoofer. It just hasn't been something I have been taught.

My apologies. I'm just tired of people arguing points I'm not even arguing...

When people just skim what your saying on a forum, or just ignore what you are trying to say - just reminds me of when people cut you off in a conversation to but into a point that is half made. They get half the story and start to make up their mind. This annoys me to no end, and it isn't any different on a forum.

Now maybe I should of explained my first post a bit more...

Also, I meant boombox as booom booom booom from a box... not a boombox boombox

I'm cool with Sid, we just see things a little different sometimes. I have 4 boys that are just as opinionated as he is so I call BS when I smell it. I know that for his age, he knows tons about what he discusses as the "young grasshopper" has learned much.

It is just his short little statements that look like "end-all/be-all" comments that I can't let slide. They express the anger and disgust that resides in him, not the facts of the discussion.

SVS subs are one of, if not the "best bass for the $$$" subs that money can buy. We are in total agreement there. Sunfire wins the "best bass for the space" category. Frank understands this and this makes his viewpoint valid. They have totally different design goals with both achieving those goals.

For the best bass, I still choose Infinite Baffle. Oh yeah, thats another thread.

Just think of how great of a sub you guys could have designed together in the time took writting all these posts... heh heh heh....

95Honda wrote:

Just think of how great of a sub you guys could have designed together in the time took writting all these posts... heh heh heh....

..............and imagine all of the shank wounds!!! :eek:

Sunfire vs SVS? I've heard both. The sunfire is all about pressure and the SVS is all about tone. I'll take tone every time. The sunfire is cool in my opinion but I would have trouble enjoying it for any amount of time. Just my opinion.
madmax

Its easy Sid, size matters to Debbie Z.

I think your "most for your money" approach is solid, and I think that almost all of us feel the same way. Big sub boxes really do intrude into a space like a living room or a nicely done theater room like Frank's. The balance of sound and decor is always of importance when you are looking for the right look though.