Bi Amping with a AVR
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My D*(K is bigger than yours , now WHAT!! Is this where we are at? Why don't both of you just call my equipment junk trash and be done with it. Beat your chest and tell everyone on the forum how superior both of you are with your awesome weight power supplies. While you guys are running around here with measuring sticks, I'll be enjoying my junk trash **** equipment, completey wrong and inferior Bi amped crap British speakers.
Glad we all can get along.
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My D*(K is bigger than yours , now WHAT!! Is this where we are at? Why don't both of you just call my equipment junk trash and be done with it. Beat your chest and tell everyone on the forum how superior both of you are with your awesome weight power supplies. While you guys are running around here with measuring sticks, I'll be enjoying my junk trash **** equipment, completey wrong and inferior Bi amped crap British speakers.
Glad we all can get along.
You are the one that brought up weight in an earlier post.
Cool nice twist there man, need a shovel?Dan
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My D*(K is bigger than yours , now WHAT!! Is this where we are at? Why don't both of you just call my equipment junk trash and be done with it. Beat your chest and tell everyone on the forum how superior both of you are with your awesome weight power supplies. While you guys are running around here with measuring sticks, I'll be enjoying my junk trash **** equipment, completey wrong and inferior Bi amped crap British speakers.
Glad we all can get along.
You are the one that brought up weight in an earlier post.
Cool nice twist there man, need a shovel?
The AVR weighs in at a hefty 49.6 LBS. -
Bottom line once again. IT IS NOT BI-AMPING!!!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Forgive me for my potential ignorance on this subject. I always thought bi-amping meant running separate amps/separate power supplies. With active crossovers. And I am not sure how the Integra in question works that out. But it this setup more akin to bi-wiring than bi-amping?--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
Forgive me for my potential ignorance on this subject. I always thought bi-amping meant running separate amps/separate power supplies. With active crossovers. And I am not sure how the Integra in question works that out. But it this setup more akin to bi-wiring than bi-amping?
This is what I always thought too, two amps for each speaker, two for upper, two for lower. Or two amps that are true dual chassis.
But if you just have one great amp or two great mono amps, with high current, that gives you great headroom, why bother?
That has always seemed to be the consensus around the audio world..
I don’t see how what you’re doing is bi-amping..
It’s been a very long time that we have seemed to talk about this subject, and to be honest Dan, with your background in audio, and knowledge you have shared throughout the years, I find it odd that this subject is started coming from you..
Not throwing any shade or bone in the fight here, just find it odd is all..
I honestly have never dug deep into what it takes to truly bi-amp, only shared what I always thought it meant to truly do it..
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Easy, Integra says if you want to bi amp your speakers, our AVR can do it. This is how you do it. These are not my words, these are Intera / Onkyo. I pretty well respected brand in our industry.Forgive me for my potential ignorance on this subject. I always thought bi-amping meant running separate amps/separate power supplies. With active crossovers. And I am not sure how the Integra in question works that out. But it this setup more akin to bi-wiring than bi-amping?
This is what I always thought too, two amps for each speaker, two for upper, two for lower. Or two amps that are true dual chassis.
But if you just have one great amp or two great mono amps, with high current, that gives you great headroom, why bother?
That has always seemed to be the consensus around the audio world..
I don’t see how what you’re doing is bi-amping..
It’s been a very long time that we have seemed to talk about this subject, and to be honest Dan, with your background in audio, and knowledge you have shared throughout the years, I find it odd that this subject is started coming from you..
Not throwing any shade or bone in the fight here, just find it odd is all..
I honestly have never dug deep into what it takes to truly bi-amp, only shared what I always thought it meant to truly do it..
I never saw the need to do this ever to justify your point, when you have plenty of power to get the job done, there is no point right? I feel the same way. I just was fooling around and wanted to try this out. No one actually reads my words just jumps on Oh this isn't bi amping, your not doing it right, my power supply weighs more than your entire AVR and all that other stupid crap.
Yes I have been in this business for decades, doesn't mean I can't try this out or anyone else for that matter, it's called a hobby and it's supposed to be fun. Some of the people on this forum doesn't make it fun, it actually makes me want to ignore them as it's like they have nothing better to do than to pick on anything you do that they don't agree with. So be it.
Technically speaking it states NONWHERE that you need separate power supples different chassis, you need a speaker with 2 sets of binding posts, 2 outputs from 2 amp channels and your bi amping. There is multiple ways to bi amp, not just external crossovers, 4 differnet amps. Yes that is the best way to do it but it't not the only way.
Challenge that call one of the most respected amp companies in the world Bryston. They state that you can bi amp with one of their multi channel amps and they will even help you select that amp based off your speakers and needs. So to sit here and say there is only 1 way is complete false.
Guess what? Sonically and dynamically I made a small gain, I don't see anyone else who has done it talk about it.
Dan
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People are passionate about this hobby, and that's what makes it cool.
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This seems like it would only be of benefit if the amplifier modules were the bottleneck, but it's usually the power supply in AVR'S that are the bottleneck.
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This seems like it would only be of benefit if the amplifier modules were the bottleneck, but it's usually the power supply in AVR'S that are the bottleneck.
That really depends if you are using all 7-11 channels. If you are only using 2 or 3 channels, the power supply usually has more power available than each channel can handle due to limitations of the output transistors. As mentioned earlier, AVRs usually only have 1 or 2 matched pairs of output transistors, which can be a bottleneck at somewhere between 100 and 175 watts per channel depending on the parts used. -
Not to go too far off track but...
My first real stereo was in 1978. Purchased a Sansui G-9000 receiver, pair of Bose 901 III and a Technics SL-1200 MK2 TT.
Dang I miss that receiver. -
skipshot12 wrote: »Not to go too far off track but...
My first real stereo was in 1978. Purchased a Sansui G-9000 receiver, pair of Bose 901 III and a Technics SL-1200 MK2 TT.
Dang I miss that receiver.
I bet. The G-9000 was a beauty that could also perform. That TT is still a benchmark as well. I wish I had never sold my 1200Mk2. The G-9000 didn't have many "compromises." -
Easy, Integra says if you want to bi amp your speakers, our AVR can do it. This is how you do it. These are not my words, these are Intera / Onkyo. I pretty well respected brand in our industry.Forgive me for my potential ignorance on this subject. I always thought bi-amping meant running separate amps/separate power supplies. With active crossovers. And I am not sure how the Integra in question works that out. But it this setup more akin to bi-wiring than bi-amping?
This is what I always thought too, two amps for each speaker, two for upper, two for lower. Or two amps that are true dual chassis.
But if you just have one great amp or two great mono amps, with high current, that gives you great headroom, why bother?
That has always seemed to be the consensus around the audio world..
I don’t see how what you’re doing is bi-amping..
It’s been a very long time that we have seemed to talk about this subject, and to be honest Dan, with your background in audio, and knowledge you have shared throughout the years, I find it odd that this subject is started coming from you..
Not throwing any shade or bone in the fight here, just find it odd is all..
I honestly have never dug deep into what it takes to truly bi-amp, only shared what I always thought it meant to truly do it..
I never saw the need to do this ever to justify your point, when you have plenty of power to get the job done, there is no point right? I feel the same way. I just was fooling around and wanted to try this out. No one actually reads my words just jumps on Oh this isn't bi amping, your not doing it right, my power supply weighs more than your entire AVR and all that other stupid crap.
Yes I have been in this business for decades, doesn't mean I can't try this out or anyone else for that matter, it's called a hobby and it's supposed to be fun. Some of the people on this forum doesn't make it fun, it actually makes me want to ignore them as it's like they have nothing better to do than to pick on anything you do that they don't agree with. So be it.
Technically speaking it states NONWHERE that you need separate power supples different chassis, you need a speaker with 2 sets of binding posts, 2 outputs from 2 amp channels and your bi amping. There is multiple ways to bi amp, not just external crossovers, 4 differnet amps. Yes that is the best way to do it but it't not the only way.
Challenge that call one of the most respected amp companies in the world Bryston. They state that you can bi amp with one of their multi channel amps and they will even help you select that amp based off your speakers and needs. So to sit here and say there is only 1 way is complete false.
Guess what? Sonically and dynamically I made a small gain, I don't see anyone else who has done it talk about it.
You've lost all credibility.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
You started with a G-9000?!?skipshot12 wrote: »Not to go too far off track but...
My first real stereo was in 1978. Purchased a Sansui G-9000 receiver, pair of Bose 901 III and a Technics SL-1200 MK2 TT.
Dang I miss that receiver.
(rando internet image)
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When I first saw the title of this thread I thought, oh no, this is going to be a barn burner and popcorn stuffer.
I'm glad to see that for the majority of it, it remained somewhat civil.
Yes, this is nothing new, AVR manufacturers have been advertising "Bi-amp ability" for years. And though this (Mantis's effort) doesn't fit into the "norm" of bi-amping, it is in a sense, bi-amping, just not bi-power. Manits is using multiple amps from a single power source.
Here's what I see....IF you were to take two cables using a 2x2 format from two amps, according to the power specs, you're going to send 150w to each speaker.
IF you were to use four amps using four 2x2 cables, are you yielding the same power distribution? Most likely not. Are you going to hear a difference? Maybe not what you may have hoped for.
To bypass the jumpers, using two cables in a 2x4 configuration and using only two amps, could you "hear" a difference by sending signals through all four binding posts? Maybe....
Mantis did say this was not his wording but the wording of Integra and how bad is it to give it a go just to see?? Dude was just sharing an experience. Heck, I tried it once way back when I got my first AVR back in 2010, did I hear a difference? No, but everyone's mileage differs.
I fail to see where any credibility of this member has been lost. EVERYONE has the right to configure their own setups any way they see fit without being judged by it.Set up:
Marantz AV8802A - Sources: BRP Panasonic 9000/CDP Emotiva ERC 3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-6, XPA-2 x 2 - Speakers: Focal/PolkAudio, Mains/2ch - Kanta No2, C - LSiM706, SS - LSiM702, WS - RTiA9, RS - RTiA9, FH - RTiA3 - Subs: Epik Empires x 2
Cables: AQ McKenzie XLR's from CDP to AVP to amp for 2ch, Emotiva XLR's for the rest - Douglasconnection: Furutech Alpha 36 12g speaker wire for 2ch, Furez 10g speaker wire for the rest - AQ Forest48 HDMI for the display, AQ Carbon48 HDMI from BRP to AVP - VR3 filtered power cables for CDP, BRP and AVP, Emotiva power cables for the amps - AudioQuest 505 power conditioner.
EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman -
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You started with a G-9000?!?skipshot12 wrote: »Not to go too far off track but...
My first real stereo was in 1978. Purchased a Sansui G-9000 receiver, pair of Bose 901 III and a Technics SL-1200 MK2 TT.
Dang I miss that receiver.
(rando internet image)
Yep, that’s the one.
Could swear I paid under $400 thru the military exchange.
And, pretty sure the 901’s were right at $350.
Was drooling over the G-22000 and the G-33000 but couldn’t come close to affording either of those.
When I upgraded from the bose 901’s to Infinity Kappa 8’s I had to go with a dedicated amp & preamp. The G-9000 couldn’t push the speakers and would go into protection quickly. -
Circa 1978 in Hanau, Germany.
Not in the pic but just to the outside is our 901’s.
It’s an old photo and has clipped the outside when posting.
Can just make out my old Zerostat and Discwasher brush on the right side. -
Love the old days when the receiver makes the TV look tiny. It is clear what the priority was back then, and it wasn't TV.
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Love the old days when the receiver makes the TV look tiny. It is clear what the priority was back then, and it wasn't TV.
Giant power house receivers were much cheaper than TV's back in the day. NOW TV's are cheaper than Giant receivers. What I spent on a Zenith 19" color TV in 1986 I can buy a 65" TV today. -
^We had that 13” black & white for 2 decades.
Wasn’t until the late 90’s that we could afford a small color tv.
