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Somebody has to find a way to pay for the roads since EV owners won’t pay any gas tax and there are enough of them now to matter.
I’d still prefer a weight based system to account for increased wear.
Honestly it's very easy, everyone in every state must buy a sticker or plates EVERY year, correct?
Well then every year at the DMV they record your odometer reading, then charge you for mileage drove in your EV. That's just one idea. It's either that or a tax as you charge like as you buy gas. It's not rocket science.
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I could live with any of those methods. If you have a heavier ICE vehicle, you generally consume more gas, therefore, indirectly, you contribute more to road costs. If you have a heavier EV, you generally consume more kWh, so contribute more as well.
But how would home charging be factored in? Most owners charge at home at least 90% of the time.
As for the miles driven method, not sure how easy that would be to enforce. Wouldn’t want to shatter anyone’s dreams about humankind, but there *are* dishonest people out there. I guess they could cross reference with CARFAX or something… 🤷♂️Alea jacta est! -
On a side note… we recently added a kid to our insurance policy. The premium was inspected to increase, but then we discovered that Geico, in their wisdom, had decided that all four vehicles were being driven the standard 12,000 miles per year! 48,000 in total! 😱
Both trucks tow horses to get to competitions, so no, they do not drive 12,000 miles each. Neither of the cars do either.
So after I updated the actual mileage to reflect reality, we ended up paying $600 less in insurance. 😳
Now for the cherry 🍒 on top 🍰
Since then, we got a letter from Geico stating that we drove less than the average for California. We have a form to fill out confirming the mileage. If we don’t respond within 30 days, the mileage will automatically be reset to 12,000 per vehicle by default.
I’ll be switching to AAA soon anyway, so it’ll be a moot point soon enough. ✌️Alea jacta est! -
Easy once again, separate electric meter for that, fees are factored in your bill. No different than those that have a separate water meter for lawn irrigation, there's no sewer or water reclamation fees on that water.But how would home charging be factored in? Most owners charge at home at least 90% of the time.
Come on man, it's not that hard.
It's illegal as hell to mess with your odometer. Even when you send your odometer speedometer unit in for service, it doesn't come back as zero man when you get a new one. They come back with the exact mileage on them as they went in with.As for the miles driven method, not sure how easy that would be to enforce. Wouldn’t want to shatter anyone’s dreams about humankind, but there *are* dishonest people out there. I guess they could cross reference with CARFAX or something… 🤷♂️
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Easy once again, separate electric meter for that, fees are factored in your bill. No different than those that have a separate water meter for lawn irrigation, there's no sewer or water reclamation fees on that water.
Come on man, it's not that hard.
This would be the only logical way to do it. The tax would at least get paid once a month instead of once a year.
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I can't see Kex's posts but fellas, let's keep this thread on point. This is not a battle amongst ourselves. It is a battle against what we know we don't have the infrastructure for and the obvious, in case you haven't been paying attention.
It's no longer about Ford versus Dodge versus Chevy. It's about the illogical forcing their hand (along with mandates) to the common man......who, at this point, is struggling to just pay the bills in many cases.
We are not prepared yet, nor is this technology ready for mainstream. Period. No matter how much they clammer and coerse.
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… It is a battle against what we know we don't have the infrastructure for and the obvious, in case you haven't been paying attention.
Yeah… in my neighborhood I would estimate that 50% of cars with new, temporary registration plates are EV. And yet, the grid holds up. The infrastructure holds up.…
It's no longer about Ford versus Dodge versus Chevy. It's about the illogical forcing their hand (along with mandates) to the common man......who, at this point, is struggling to just pay the bills in many cases.
Nobody’s forcing my hand. I drive five ICE vehicles ranging in age from 30 years (Chevrolet K1500 Silverado) to 9 years (Silverado 2500HD).
I’m also not struggling, because I know how to do math and how to plan a budget. When I did struggle in the past, I didn’t blame it on anyone else but myself.
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There is a little over 1 million EV's registered in California out of over 30 million registered vehicles. You still think the grid will hold up?
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I guess we’ll find out soon enough! 😬
It’ll probably be at least a decade or two before even half of those 30 million are electric. 🤔Alea jacta est! -
EV's in Wyoming make zero sense at this time......
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… It is a battle against what we know we don't have the infrastructure for and the obvious, in case you haven't been paying attention.
Yeah… in my neighborhood I would estimate that 50% of cars with new, temporary registration plates are EV. And yet, the grid holds up. The infrastructure holds up.
The issue in California is compounded by a lot of factors.
Gas stoves, water heaters, and furnaces are being phased out.
Gas mowers and other equipment are going away. And a lot of
the state's power comes from surrounding states. When things
start to get dicey in those states, expect power exports to
California to come under duress. And weren't rolling blackouts
and requests to curtail power usage a common thing in summer?
The difference between 99% usage and 101% isn't much. But
you'll certainly know when they hit the wall.
There are lots of other states also in the same position.
The new push is for home solar and self storage of power.
They don't want to have power sent to the grid. And they
certainly will no longer pay fair price for any power from
Homeowners. The cost of installing battery banks and
maintenance will make solar a much longer break even
Investment. And what will insurance companies think about
those dangerous lithium batteries next to the house?
The feds want 80% of power to be renewable by 2030.
And they won't share whatever it is they're smoking."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
I do agree that none of this is altruistic - it's just the next gen money grab, and now that "the players" are positioned, it sees support and legislation to force hands.I disabled signatures.
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From the article: The biggest reason EV owners cited for wanting to return to owning a gas-powered vehicle was the lack of available charging infrastructure (35%);
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Solar for the home will never be a break-even proposition. With power storage batteries needing to be replaced just like car batteries eventually, and the panels themselves wearing out over time. For my home, they wanted 35k for the system, installed. At 2500/year for electricity, it would take 15 years just to pay off the initial setup, only to have to replace it again, and maintain along the way. No thanks!
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The problem is they can't centralize green energy and make it work.
The plan is to create program of low interest home equity loans to
push solar with local storage to homeowners. There is NO other way
to meet the 80% green energy goal for 2030. At some point, it will be
a requirement of home ownership. Battery systems should improve,
but they don't care if you ever break even. Just keep jacking up power
rates until people comply."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
nooshinjohn wrote: »Solar for the home will never be a break-even proposition. With power storage batteries needing to be replaced just like car batteries eventually, and the panels themselves wearing out over time. For my home, they wanted 35k for the system, installed. At 2500/year for electricity, it would take 15 years just to pay off the initial setup, only to have to replace it again, and maintain along the way. No thanks!
The power company that services my area has put a cap on power buy back from solar systems in my area. New solar installations have dropped by something like 80% according to a local news site and they cited that from several local solar installers that went belly up earlier this year in the article they wrote about the "midnight moves" a couple of the solar companies pulled leaving customers high and dry.
Without the buy back incentive most aren't going for it. Since most power companies are capping buy back on existing customers and reducing their buy back benefits, many are see very small returns on their solar investment because not only are they not using power during the day when they aren't home but they are predominantly on grid power at night because solar doesn't work in the dark.
Only one guy I know with solar is reducing costs on anything locally right now and that's because he has $30K worth of battery storage that he runs off of at night. Only in the extreme heat in the summer is he tapping grid power at night to run AC systems.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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ooh, I didn't even think about the weight. our asphalt roads around here get in wicked shape over time with regular vehicle traffic. sometimes it feels like you're sucked into a bobsled track and really need to put in some effort to launch out of it.I disabled signatures.
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Gosh. I really miss having my petro powered remote control.
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We just had a planned power outage last night. 11PM-5AM For some people, that's most of the time their car would spend charging overnight.
Meanwhile I filled the Acura up right before the outage with 50L (13.2 gal) of petrol in about 5 minutes. It's a hybrid (Honda IMA system) so it manages about 4.7L/100km (50mpg) per tank. Sucks for the Tesla owners I saw driving home with me about 15 minutes before the outage 🤣
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Did it have free flow intake and dual exhaust?Gosh. I really miss having my petro powered remote control.I disabled signatures.
