I just pulled the trigger on a new tüübed pre....this one should be pretty sweet!

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  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,498
    edited January 16
    Hi, Glenn. I am actually fine with DAC's at the moment. The one that is in the Marantz SA-7S1 is one of the best I have ever heard in my travels and the one I have for the server is kind of overkill for the server itself...(Photo below taken from random image off of the internet)

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    My weak link in the network gear would currently be the Blue Node2. I typically don't listen to the network gear in the sweet spot, usually only when I'm in the office working (in another room) or doing other things around the house. Pretty much the only other exception is when I want to try new music that I don't have the "physical" media for. In other words, not really a priority for me. It's just a nice luxury to have (to me).

    Drew, I have not yet fiddled with the internal components within the two units. Hopefully I can find some time tonight. I exhausted every other test this morning and that's all that is left to check on.

    Then one final test before shipping off to double check my amp just in case it happened to fail the very moment I hooked up the pre (not likely and I'm not a believer in coincidences but I will check it anyways just for S's&G'ls).

    Just kind of overall bummed about the whole deal at the moment, TBT.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,676
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,498
    No tubes.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 2,261
    Johns just reminiscing about the one he once had 🤪
    Power Rogue M180 monos & Adcom GFA 5802
    PS Audio PerfectWave Power Plant 10
    Rears Salk SuperCharged Surrounds
    Source PSA PWT into NSD Supremo
    Pre/Pro Integra DHC 40.1
    LCD Samsung LN46B750
    Mains Salk HT2-TL
    Center Salk HT2C
    Pre Cary SLP-05
    Wires WW & MIT
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,676
    GlennDog wrote: »
    Johns just reminiscing about the one he once had 🤪

    I am listening to it now. I will never go back to a tube pre, nor will I part with this one.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,287
    treitz3 wrote: »
    No tubes.

    That’s right. Just excellent solid state sound. :)
    Bud - Silicon Valley

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    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
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    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,498
    You have tube amps, John. Big difference.

    When I lost the tubes in the Jolida JD9, going from that to the Marantz? The only tubes left in the rig were in the Dodd MLP. I have had two other pre's in the rig (albeit temporary) that were SS. I could TELL I had an SS rig.

    I need tubes man. No if's and's or but's about it.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 2,261
    I am listening to it now. I will never go back to a tube pre, nor will I part with this one.

    It’s definitely nice kit.
    I know it was up for sale last year, I didn’t know you ended up keeping it 😎
    Power Rogue M180 monos & Adcom GFA 5802
    PS Audio PerfectWave Power Plant 10
    Rears Salk SuperCharged Surrounds
    Source PSA PWT into NSD Supremo
    Pre/Pro Integra DHC 40.1
    LCD Samsung LN46B750
    Mains Salk HT2-TL
    Center Salk HT2C
    Pre Cary SLP-05
    Wires WW & MIT
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,676
    The wife backed down, so I stopped selling. :p
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 25,394
    @treitz3 if you would, please do let us know what the Canary folks find when they delve into your preamp. One is always curious about root causes to build one's troubleshooting database. :)
  • verbverb Posts: 10,154
    Tom sorry to hear you're have a bit a drama with your new piece. Hope it all works out.

    Is the seller helping you with the expenses since you're shipping it out to have some work done on it?
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS,Cary SLP-05 Pre,Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport,Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC,Cambridge 851N streamer,Marantz SA-14 SACD,McIntosh MC300 Amp,Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Pangea Power Cables,Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's,MIT Shotgun S3 IC's,MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC,EAR Acute CD Player,EAR 834L Pre,Northstar Designs Intenso DAC,PASS ACA Monoblocks,Denon UDR-F10 Cassette,Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers,SVS SB12 Plus sub,MIT AVt2 speaker cables,IFI Purifier2,AQ Cinnamon USB cable,Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks,Tisbury Mini Passive Pre,Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38),Analysis Plus Oval 9's,Zu Jumpers,AudioEngine B1 Streamer,Klipsch RB-61 v2,SVS PB1000 sub,Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated,Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer,Rotel RCD-1072 CD player,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers,Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
  • TEAforONETEAforONE Posts: 408
    Wow,so sorry to hear of your difficulties with the new pre. Hopefully Canary will get this straightened out asap!
    First Watt,Monarchy Audio,Aric Audio,Promitheus Audio,Pro-Ject,Hornshoppe,Nola,HSU,Onkyo.
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,498
    UPDATE - Well, I messed around on the insides and could not find anything noticeable that would be "out of order" within the pre side of the pre. (Have not looked at the PS yet but will tonight). Everything looked to be dead on and I am still in disbelief at how new this thing looks.

    Anyhoo, I re-seated the tubes and hooked it back up. Same issue. So, I did something I have never done before but after watching Bob Carver work on gear hot?

    (NOT RECOMMENDED UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING....THIS COULD BE LETHAL!!!)

    I decided that I would do what I have seen him do. Mess around with it while it was hot. Tube 1, no change, tube 2, no change. Tube 3?

    Shazam! Sonic difference that went from the 120Hz buzz to what sounded like a radio station that was trying to come in. Well, I powered her back down. Upon further inspection, the tube has lost its vacuum. I have no spare tubes for this, so I created another thread...https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/189446/urgent-need-reliable-and-trustworthy-shop-that-has-matched-quad-of-6sn7s#latest

    Tom

    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • verbverb Posts: 10,154
    edited January 18
    Interesting Tom - So you're saying a bad tube?

    I've got an octet of spare EH 6SN7's that are good, to use for troubleshooting. Let me know.
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS,Cary SLP-05 Pre,Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport,Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC,Cambridge 851N streamer,Marantz SA-14 SACD,McIntosh MC300 Amp,Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Pangea Power Cables,Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's,MIT Shotgun S3 IC's,MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC,EAR Acute CD Player,EAR 834L Pre,Northstar Designs Intenso DAC,PASS ACA Monoblocks,Denon UDR-F10 Cassette,Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers,SVS SB12 Plus sub,MIT AVt2 speaker cables,IFI Purifier2,AQ Cinnamon USB cable,Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks,Tisbury Mini Passive Pre,Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38),Analysis Plus Oval 9's,Zu Jumpers,AudioEngine B1 Streamer,Klipsch RB-61 v2,SVS PB1000 sub,Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated,Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer,Rotel RCD-1072 CD player,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers,Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,498
    PM will be sent here shortly...

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,676
    I knew it was a bad tube...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,498
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    This is the tube that failed. Apparently not a stock tube. Sorry for the sideways pic's...

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,498
    FYI, Verb has a set coming soon so that I can test the Canary. Thanks man...

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • verbverb Posts: 10,154
    My pleasure Tom! It was a great pleasure talking to you! Thanks for spending some time with me. Your insights and advice all things audio is really appreciated!
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS,Cary SLP-05 Pre,Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport,Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC,Cambridge 851N streamer,Marantz SA-14 SACD,McIntosh MC300 Amp,Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Pangea Power Cables,Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's,MIT Shotgun S3 IC's,MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC,EAR Acute CD Player,EAR 834L Pre,Northstar Designs Intenso DAC,PASS ACA Monoblocks,Denon UDR-F10 Cassette,Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers,SVS SB12 Plus sub,MIT AVt2 speaker cables,IFI Purifier2,AQ Cinnamon USB cable,Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks,Tisbury Mini Passive Pre,Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38),Analysis Plus Oval 9's,Zu Jumpers,AudioEngine B1 Streamer,Klipsch RB-61 v2,SVS PB1000 sub,Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated,Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer,Rotel RCD-1072 CD player,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers,Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,498
    Thank you for the kind words, Dave. I enjoyed our conversation(s).

    Have a great evening.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,788
    Glad it was just a tube, rock N roll
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 44,504
    VR3 wrote: »
    Glad it was just a tube, rock N roll

    You must be on baby duty.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • headrottheadrott Posts: 5,490
    Glad you got this resolved Tom. A bad tube makes for a bad audio experience. Please keep us informed on how the replacement tube from Verb turns out.
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    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....


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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,258
    edited January 18
    Just want to reiterate, John knew it was a bad tube.
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  • TEAforONETEAforONE Posts: 408
    Good deal Tom. I'm sure the thought of having to ship it to the manufacturer for service was making your stomach turn!
    First Watt,Monarchy Audio,Aric Audio,Promitheus Audio,Pro-Ject,Hornshoppe,Nola,HSU,Onkyo.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 25,394
    edited January 21
    How many times do you all think, in this thread, I've had to get up and take a walk... so as to avoid grabbing the computer and shaking it whilst screaming
    Vacuum's not a THING... It's a NOT THING!

    :#

    Well, of course, as any modern physicist can tell you, that's not really, strictly true -- the vacuum of space (or a tube) is full of all kinds of weird stuff that's, of course, not stuff as we know stuff... umm... oh, wow, man.
    What was I talkin' about, man?

    oh...

    So, yeah, the vacuum leaked out ;)

    If you get too much of that stuff in the room with you, it can get hard to breathe.
    I think vacuum is regulated by the State of California, in fact... for just that reason. You know, to protect its citizens. So they can keep doing... you know... whatever it is that they do out there...

    B)



  • agfrostagfrost Posts: 2,304
    Nature abhorred that tube previously.

    She can tolerate it now.
    Jay
    SDA 2BTL * Musical Fidelity A5cr amp * Marantz DV-9500 * Modded Adcom GDA-600 DAC * Rythmik F8
    Micro Seiki DQ-50 * A hodgepodge of cabling * Belkin PF60
    Preamp rotation: Krell KSL (SCompRacer recapped) * Manley Shrimp * PS Audio 5.0
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