Polk Signature Series Official Discussion

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  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Forgot to mention ceiling is 7 and 1/2 feet.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,493
    jdavid wrote: »
    Thanks for such a quick response. I had read somewhere about an advantage to having front left and center identical, so that is why I asked. What do you think about two POLK mc60s in ceiling for Dolby Atmos in a room this size?

    Having them all identical isn't going to matter much. Having them the same series would more, because of the voice matching, using the same tweeters. Personally, I think your room is a bit small for all those speakers, the atmos speakers are only going to throw an occasional ambient sound. But if you wanted them anyway, the 60's would do fine.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Thanks - any specific suggestions for mounting installation - just place S30 on shelf at same height as s20s? Any recommendations for mounting/ installation of S20s somehow on wall if I want to avoid stands where unlike S15s no keyhole mounting?
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,493
    The center doesn't have to be the same height as the fronts, just below the TV is good and not too close to the floor. Is there a certain reason why you don't want stands for the fronts ?
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Appreciate your continued advice!
    We are renovating house including TV room and spouse would prefer no stands ( which I have now) she kindly accepted room placement of stereo speakers in another room, so if I can avoid stands for these I would.
    Is there some mounting device to place them on wall and avoid stands for S20s?
    Do they need to be a minimum distance off wall?
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 26,336
    Viking64 wrote: »
    When you hear that Monoprice 12 literally crush the VTF2, your head will literally explode.


    I mean, it might way a lot more... and/or, you know, if dropped from a sufficiently great height...

  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Think you posted to wrong stream...
  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 7,863
    jdavid wrote: »
    Think you posted to wrong stream...

    It's OK as long as you don't cross them....
    HT/Main- Panny 50" G10 Plasma, Pioneer SC-1222k AVR, Panny DMP-BD60 BDP, Polk LS90 mains, CS350LS center, LS/fx side surrounds, LS50 surround backs, SVS 25-31PC+ sub, Harmony One

    Office Rig- Marantz 2252B, Denon 2910, Kenwood KD2070 TT, Polk RTA 12B's/ RTA8t
  • Many will recommend getting the front stage all the same (either 3 s15s or 3 s20s, etc) but you must keep the bookshelf center vertical and not turn it on its side. If you can't do it vertically, then just go with the s30 dedicated center.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,493
    jdavid wrote: »
    Appreciate your continued advice!
    We are renovating house including TV room and spouse would prefer no stands ( which I have now) she kindly accepted room placement of stereo speakers in another room, so if I can avoid stands for these I would.
    Is there some mounting device to place them on wall and avoid stands for S20s?
    Do they need to be a minimum distance off wall?

    Gotcha man, maybe someone else will chime in on wall mounts, the S20's are fairly hefty and would need a substantial wall mount. If, for that reason, you need to go with the 15's, then ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Topper, Thanks. Have you or anyone else heard/read of anyone actually use 3 vertical S15 or 3 S20s as fronts left right and center as part of a 5.1 system? I have only seen the idea very generally mentioned, nothing with signature 15 or 20 speakers ( or any others for that matter).
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,751
    jdavid wrote: »
    Topper, Thanks. Have you or anyone else heard/read of anyone actually use 3 vertical S15 or 3 S20s as fronts left right and center as part of a 5.1 system? I have only seen the idea very generally mentioned, nothing with signature 15 or 20 speakers ( or any others for that matter).

    If you go to Dolby or DTS theater room demo their tracks, it’s almost always 5-7 matching full range monitors, never a special “center” speaker. If you have the space that’s the ideal. But the key in those demo rooms is that that the speakers are really high end. With cheaper smaller speakers I think that center channels have an advantage. They usually have an extra driver and bigger cabinet and are voiced for midrange clarity.

    In your situation the only way to know for sure is buy both and try it out! Return or sell the loser!
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Martin Logan Grotto sub; Musical Fidelity A308; Cambridge Azur 851N; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology SM450; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology StudioMonitor350; ACI Titan Subwoofer
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,329
    S20 is a big bookie that sounds great. I have both S15 (surrounds on main HT) and S20 (as mains in bedroom). I have tried both as main speakers in the main HT. S20 are a lot better than the S15 all around.

    I don't think I would wall mount the S20, they are a big speaker
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Thanks.

    What is your view of the difference in performance on wall mounting with a bracket v stands on the front left and right speakers? If mounted with brackets do speakers need to be a minimum distance out from back wall whether S15 or 20?
    ( Plan is to have them and S30 all at same tweeter height at ear level on assumption that is best?) How about the Wali dual side bracket for large speakers holding up to 55 pounds or what ever professional installer suggests?

    In the room I described what are your thoughts on having two Polk MC 60 for Atmos in ceiling speakers- do you think room ( 8 x15 with 7 and 1/2 foot ceiling) just too small?
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Where do you come down for my room on S35 v S30 by the way?
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,329
    S30 is the better speaker for center channel if you have the room.

    A set of MC60 would work well for ATMOS speakers

    Yes you can wall mount the S20 with the bracket. What makes stands better is you can move the speaker for best placement.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    We are renovating so we will have a new wall to hang the TV on and can place TV and speakers anywhere on it but are you suggesting stands to pull speakers out further or just that stands have much more flexibility for placement ?

    If I do wall mounts do speakers need to come out from wall a minimum for example 4 or 6 inches?

    S10s fine for rear surrround speakers?
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,751
    jdavid wrote: »
    Thanks.

    What is your view of the difference in performance on wall mounting with a bracket v stands on the front left and right speakers? If mounted with brackets do speakers need to be a minimum distance out from back wall whether S15 or 20?
    ( Plan is to have them and S30 all at same tweeter height at ear level on assumption that is best?) How about the Wali dual side bracket for large speakers holding up to 55 pounds or what ever professional installer suggests?

    In the room I described what are your thoughts on having two Polk MC 60 for Atmos in ceiling speakers- do you think room ( 8 x15 with 7 and 1/2 foot ceiling) just too small?

    Good stands really do sound better. I remember moving from metal plants stands to wooden stands to good solid steel stands filled with sand. I was using the Polk rt7 which are large monitors. I was amazed at the difference in bass tightness and overall separation: I really couldn’t believe stands alone could make that difference.

    However, I completely understand the SAF and just general living constraints. If you have to mount them get the 20s and these: https://www.amazon.com/Mount-Universal-Clamping-Bookshelf-Mounting/dp/B01N2TM8BQ/ref=asc_df_B01N2TM8BQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198062682203&hvpos=1o12&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13620429792448683996&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1026867&hvtargid=aud-801381245258:pla-319814671128&psc=1
    The point of the power port is that you can get away with closer wall placement.
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Martin Logan Grotto sub; Musical Fidelity A308; Cambridge Azur 851N; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology SM450; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology StudioMonitor350; ACI Titan Subwoofer
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Assume these have been used by people for S20 although they say for full clamp contact minimum width 9 inches and 20s are 8.5 ?

    If I use stands what do you suggest?

    Appreciate your advice!
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,751
    edited October 2019
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Martin Logan Grotto sub; Musical Fidelity A308; Cambridge Azur 851N; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology SM450; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology StudioMonitor350; ACI Titan Subwoofer
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Very helpful.

    I am sure we can have contractor build a shelf on the new wall for the front and left speakers —-would you say that both stands and the wall mounts you suggest are better than a shelf for getting the best sound?
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,751
    jdavid wrote: »
    Very helpful.

    I am sure we can have contractor build a shelf on the new wall for the front and left speakers —-would you say that both stands and the wall mounts you suggest are better than a shelf for getting the best sound?

    Ideally you want all sides exposed for the widest and deepest soundstage. But for the last 9 years I have had my main bookies on builtins flanking the sides of the tv. not ideal but still very enjoyable. Sometimes ya gotta make due!
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Martin Logan Grotto sub; Musical Fidelity A308; Cambridge Azur 851N; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology SM450; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology StudioMonitor350; ACI Titan Subwoofer
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Thanks. Well I may be able to have an open shelf built if so where do you rank that compared to mounting - not as good I assume? So therefor first stands, second mounting and out from wall, and last a flat shelf underneath??

    I will see what spouse says on stands .........
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,329
    edited October 2019
    @rooftop59 covered it.

    I find surrounds wall mounted to be ok. Main speakers I find best to have the front L/C/R on an even line at least a foot away from the wall.

    But the there is the WAF/SAF. Get away with as much as you can, just don't push it or you might wind up with cubes.

    If your only going with one set of ATMOS in-ceiling speakers mount them closer to the listening position .
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Very interesting comment—-Could I really do two sets - four ceiling Atmos speakers in my room 8 by 15 with 7 and 1/2 foot ceiling? (Was considering Denon 3600H - will check if that would handle that). But would four ceiling Atmos work well?
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Denon will do it!
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,329
    Yes the 3600H will power 9 speakers but that is a lot of speakers for an AVR. 7 speakers is pushing it for that AVR. An amp would be needed like Outlaw Audio 5000, Monolith 5 or Emotiva XPA5. Now the might blow up the budget. Drive the fronts and surrounds with the amp and use the AVR for ATMOS. Also the room @ 8X15 might get a little crammed with speakers.

    Here is how I would set it up. Remember this is just my opinion.

    S20 on stands S30 center. S15 wall mounted for surrounds 1 set of MC60 mounted 1/2 way between the front speakers and listening position.

    You sub choice is good but the speedwoofer is made more for music than movies. An HSU VTF-2 or SVS PB1000/2000 would be a lot better and dig deeper, a lot deeper.


    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • patstock11patstock11 Posts: 14
    edited October 2019
    Been lurking in this site for a while. I currently have 2 s55s up front, s30 center, 2 s15s for surrounds. And recently upgraded to an svs pb1000 for my 5.1 modest home theater in my man cave. Simple question, it's all hooked up to a Yamaha v379 avr, and at this point I feel like this unit is the weak point in my setup. The system sounds good with Blu rays but I do have to crank it up. And watching TV it lacks a ton. Am I crazy, would I notice significant improvements with a better avr (higher wattage)? If I wanted to upgrade my receiver I'm basically looking for recommendations in the $500-750 range....is that too little? Some help would really be appreciated ...
  • patstock11patstock11 Posts: 14
    edited October 2019
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,751
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Martin Logan Grotto sub; Musical Fidelity A308; Cambridge Azur 851N; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology SM450; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology StudioMonitor350; ACI Titan Subwoofer
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