I ended up with 2 left SDA SRS 2.3's from craigslist, now what?

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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,438
    Emlyn wrote: »
    Apart from swapping drivers in what would become the right channel speaker, a possible simple fix instead of trying to patch large holes in mdf could be to cut two new holes in each cabinet and purchase and place dummy midwoofer drivers in them that are not hooked up. Won't be as perfect as they were originally made, but it could be a fairly simple DIY job with a hole saw and a compact router. They would be symmetrical, which is really important with these speakers. And they would be unique!

    That's assuming the current drivers and crossovers are all in proper working order. My guess is they may not be since the two right channel speakers disappeared somewhere.

    First step would be to open up the speakers by removing all the drivers to see what things look like inside. Forum members can provide lots of advice from photos.

    Wouldn't the dummy drivers sort of act like passive radiators in this instance throwing off the tuning of everything?
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,897
    The extra non-powered drivers would then act as additional passive radiators, which I do not believe to be a good thing.
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  • John312John312 Posts: 31
    They sound good now and all seem to be working. When I take them out what kind of damage am I looking for? Will it be obvious if something is askew?
  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 3,732
    F1nut wrote: »
    Those are 2.3TL's. Forget the swapping info I posted earlier as that will not work with your speakers.
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    audioluvr wrote: »
    @John312 check your messages. All six drivers are the same in the TL series so swapping drivers is not necessary.

    I see I misread your post Jesse. I initially took it as "there is no good way to correct this issue by swapping drivers", and inferred that there was an XO issue involved as well. I stand (lay, sit, depending on my current position) corrected.


    So, given that it is now known that this situation can be rather easily corrected, I still stand by my statement of using textured wrap to mask the filled in holes. If done correctly, it will be a seamless and undetectable repair.
  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,601
    edited September 1
    John312 wrote: »
    I found a mint pair of SRS 2.3's on craigslist brought them home and found out they are both left speakers?

    Just when I think there is nothing new under the sun SDA-wise, someone comes up with a new trick.
    John312 wrote: »
    Am I screwed or can I still use them and will they still good?

    Yes, you are screwed. No you can't use them as they were designed/intended. Good sound is relative. They definitely won't sound good compared to a properly functioning left and right stereo pair with the SDA cable connected.

    What you are asking is equivalent to saying someone sent you two left boots and asking if one of the left boots can be converted into a right boot and if you can still walk in them. Sure, you can rip one of the left boots apart and make a new right sole and heel, but it won't be a perfect match to the left...no matter what. Your legs, feet, back, and knee and hip joints will know something is wrong.

    Likewise, transforming one of the left speakers into a makeshift right speaker will result in an acoustically mismatched pair at the least, and destroying or seriously damaging the cabinet at the most.

    If you had been shipped two left shoes, I'm sure you would return them. The best outcome here would be for you to return these and get a refund.
    John312 wrote: »
    I have not hooked a cable between them because I'm concerned it may damage something in my amp or the speakers.

    You should be more concerned about whether the previous owner hooked the cable between them and damaged them.

    Let me make sure I have this straight: There was no mention in the ad or during pickup that both of the speakers were left units?

    I am sitting on the edge of my chair wanting to know how the previous owner ended up with two left SDA 2.3TLs.
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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 3,732
    Emlyn wrote: »
    Apart from swapping drivers in what would become the right channel speaker, a possible simple fix instead of trying to patch large holes in mdf could be to cut two new holes in each cabinet and purchase and place dummy midwoofer drivers in them that are not hooked up. Won't be as perfect as they were originally made, but it could be a fairly simple DIY job with a hole saw and a compact router. They would be symmetrical, which is really important with these speakers. And they would be unique!

    Doing this would cause tuning issues unless you locked up the dummy drivers. With them unlocked, they would become something similar to a passive radiator, and could introduce odd spikes or dips in the response.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,897
    edited September 1
    The 2 right channel speakers were selling on eBay back in 2006. Read my first post on page one in this thread.

    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/37315/sda-srs-2-3-setup-question
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  • John312John312 Posts: 31
    Hey Darqueknight, thanks for your thoughts. No mention of this in the ad or when I picked them up additionally I am new and somewhat naive when it comes to Polk Audio, this is my first leap into what I thought would be a great experience. Now I just want to try and fix the situation and get some enjoyment out of what are great speakers. The previous owner said he purchased them from an estate 15 years ago and never used them with the interconnect cable. They were backed against the wall when I arrived. I did not even know there was a left and right until I saw the sticker on the back after I took them home I asked for a refund or some compensation, but he is ghosting me. I would be honest with this forum if I knowingly bought 2 lefty's and was seeking help. But that' not the case and I did get burned. He mentioned the Estate had lots of audio gear, I suspect he was sold to lefts from the estate and figured it out sometime over the years
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,897
    edited September 1
    I forgot to comment on this earlier. Those model/serial tags are not anything Polk ever used. Someone put them on top of the originals to cover them up.

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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 3,732
    If you attempt the modification, Peel and Stick Solid Color Black Wallpaper 24" by 393" (Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H42X6KZ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_R6jBDb1G8S8F4 might be a good solution for the baffles (there'd be enough to do both at least 3 times in case of issues.) Ideally you would apply this to a smooth gloss surface after the original material was removed (do not apply wrap to the original baffle material, it will not stick).
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,601
    edited September 2
    I'm actually wondering how long the seller was trying to find a way out of the same situation you find yourself in? The shoe analogy buy @DarqueKnight is by far the best and no matter what they will never be what they should be and you will never get the full benefits of what these speakers are capable of, trust me on that. I know at least 2 of us in this thread have fully modified versions of these very capable speakers. Sad to see it happen but you'll recoup most if not all of your money parting them out and starting over with a correct set. I feel your pain not only did I search for a set for about 8years I watched several sets slip out from within my grasp trying to buy a set of these 2.3tl's. Be patient and it will happen again. You like I may have to put in a 8 hour drive to finally land a pair.
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 1,379
    F1nut wrote: »
    The 2 right channel speakers were selling on eBay back in 2006. Read my first post on page one in this thread.

    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/37315/sda-srs-2-3-setup-question

    A HA! Both probably from the same estate sale! Too bad no one knows the original post double righties is around. Ebay?
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  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,601
    edited September 2
    John312 wrote: »
    Hey Darqueknight, thanks for your thoughts. No mention of this in the ad or when I picked them up additionally I am new and somewhat naive when it comes to Polk Audio, this is my first leap into what I thought would be a great experience.

    I'm sorry to see that something that should be an exciting and very enjoyable experience has been tainted by an unscrupulous seller.

    Your state's Attorney Gereral's Office should have a consumer protection division that will contact the seller on your behalf and try to mediate a resolution. I would file a consumer protection complaint, along with photographs of the speakers, and see how the seller responds. Emphasize in your complaint that the seller is not responding to you and that the speakers cannot be used as they were designed because they are supposed to come in mirror imaged left and right matched pairs.

    Most people, even crooks, do not ignore correspondence from a state's attorney general's office.

    I can't emphasize enough that there really is no practical, rational "fix" for this situation, other than return and refund, with the seller also refunding your transportation costs.


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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 1,379
    Most people, even crooks, do not ignore correspondence from a state's attorney general's office.

    Unfortunately the states attorneys office is probably not equipped with the brightest bulbs (all the best attorneys are criminal attorneys as that's where the money is) and will quickly see they can't win without obvious and documented evidence. PO can simply claim ignorance and site "no other speaker mfg co has this weird configuration" and walk away with this unscathed. Sad but true.

    Look on the bright side though. He has 2 beautiful examples of Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl left channel speakers.
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  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,601
    audioluvr wrote: »
    Most people, even crooks, do not ignore correspondence from a state's attorney general's office.

    Unfortunately the states attorneys office is probably not equipped with the brightest bulbs (all the best attorneys are criminal attorneys as that's where the money is) and will quickly see they can't win without obvious and documented evidence.

    What state's attorneys lack in brains they compensate with in brawn, as the tobacco companies found out.
    audioluvr wrote: »
    PO(S) can simply claim ignorance and site "no other speaker mfg co has this weird configuration" and walk away with this unscathed. Sad but true.

    Fixed it.

    I don't think so. The fact that the seller said he NEVER connected the SDA cable indicates he knew something was wrong and that he knowingly sold a mismatched set of speakers. Regardless of the speaker's "weird configuration", they are both labeled "LEFT CHANNEL" and the seller was clearly hoping to catch an unaware buyer.
    audioluvr wrote: »
    Look on the bright side though. He has 2 beautiful examples of Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl left channel speakers.

    That's like saying there is a bright side to receiving two lefts of a $2000 pair of beautiful Paul Bond ostrich boots.

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  • Hmm, I wonder how long Ebay keeps records of their listings. Maybe the seller of those right sides from 2006 that F1 mentioned is still in their archives and can be contacted. Wouldn't hurt to contact Ebay.

    You could try this link to the Wayback Machine website....
    http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.ebay.com/


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  • westmassguywestmassguy Posts: 6,445
    Find a competent cabinet maker. Have him cut two new holes on the left side, and two blank-off inserts for the right side. Swap the stereo and dimensional woofer harnesses, and enjoy them. If you want to take it further, as mentioned, Parts Express has the textured black vinyl.
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  • John312John312 Posts: 31
    Excellent ideas and thank you, I will contact ebay and also look for a decent cabinet maker. One more question, is it okay to hook them up to any amp without the interconnect cable running between the two speakers? I really want to try them out.
  • John312John312 Posts: 31
    Or does it always have to be a common ground amp?
  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,601
    No problem running two left speakers without the interconnect cable.
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  • John312John312 Posts: 31
    on any amp? Or must I use a common ground amp? Sorry new to this and cautious
  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,601
    It is wise to be cautious and ask many questions when you are unsure.

    A common ground amp is only required when the interconnect cable is in place.
    Using a non-common ground amp with the interconnect cable will cause a short circuit between the amp's channels, and possibly a fire and severe damage to the amp and speakers.
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    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
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    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • John312John312 Posts: 31
    Awesome, thank you Nooshinjohn! What a generous offer, I will make a plan and post some photos along the way.
  • verbverb Posts: 7,919
    John312 wrote: »
    Excellent ideas and thank you, I will contact ebay and also look for a decent cabinet maker. One more question, is it okay to hook them up to any amp without the interconnect cable running between the two speakers? I really want to try them out.

    Post pictures of your journey with these. I would like to help you in the best way I can.... if you supply the parts and the new XO circuit boards for them, I will build your cross overs for you for no charge.

    Very Cool! Nice gesture John! :)
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  • SchurkeySchurkey Posts: 1,895
    edited September 4
    I see that they're posted on eBay. I guess the decision has been made.



    If they were mine, I guarantee that I'd bore two holes, move two drivers, move the wire harness ends as needed to get the various drivers connected to the proper signal for their location on the baffle, plug two previous holes with the same sort of material the baffle is made from (MDF?), "glue 'n' screw" some reinforcement to the patches on the baffle, and enjoy 'em. I'm sure I'd cover the wounds with paint...or "wallpaper", and I'd certainly cover them with the grilles.

    Frankly, this does not even seem that difficult.

    It IS a pain in the ****, it may have been deceptive marketing/fraud. I have little faith that anything will be resolved legally--but I've been wrong before. I think the best way forward is to "create" a right-side speaker from one of the lefts, and move on.
  • verbverb Posts: 7,919
    edited September 4
    Yep. I was hoping to get some pics with the drivers out, to get an idea of what the internal structure looked like just to see if a cabinet mod was feasible.

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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,450
    John312 wrote: »
    Awesome, thank you Nooshinjohn! What a generous offer, I will make a plan and post some photos along the way.

    I was hoping you would. Seems to me that would have been the best path forward, and not at all hard to accomplish. Looks as if you have chosen another path forward, and I wish you the best with that.
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