This Should Be Interesting - Help Me Spend Money - New (Used) Tower Speakers...
The mission is simple, I enjoy all my Polks, but as with my amps and preamps, where I have grown to try new and higher end stuff, I want to now try some towers that might eventually eclipse my Lsim705's. At least one or two of my SDA's will never leave, because, as the saying goes, "nothing beats SDA".
OK - so here's the parameters, looking for suggestions for USED tower only (have to narrow it somewhere) speakers that after thorough and diligent and very patient searching, I could acquire for say... under $1500 a pair, hard stop, no $2K pairs please. I know that's not a ton, but it is a fairly wide range - and here are some thoughts below to get everyone started as well as associated gear, room, and listening info.
Please feel free to also ignore this long and involved post, but I tried to anticipate questions in advance.
GoldenEar Triton - (which models?)
Salk - (reaching - again – what to look for?)
B&W - (most confusing speaker lines ever)
Usher - (which ones?)
Focal - Aria, Profile or Chorus
Legacy Audio - Classic
Dynaudio - (which ones?)
Sonus Faber - Venere
Revel - Concerta
Dali - Ikon or Zensor?
what brands/models have I missed?
Associated gear and room –
Mantown – 8’ ceilings, drywall on all walls and carpet on floor. Large soft furniture for dampening, including one large stuffed ersine in the middle of the room, right behind listening position. I’d call it a fairly neutral room. Speaker position between 7’ and 9’ apart, and between 6” and 12” off the rear wall. 3’ to 4’ to the side walls and about 10’-12’ to the listeners ear.
Needs to work fairly equally well with:
Amps – McCormack DNA-1 OR Pass Labs x150.2
Preamps – EE Minimax “Tutay” modded OR Audible Illusions Modulus 1
Phono – Parks Audio Budgie OR Vincent Pho-800
Turntables – Music Hall mmf 5.1 OR Yamaha YP-D6 DD
CDP – Marantz 8400 SACD OR Sony S-9000es SACD
Listening style – almost 100% 2 channel audio, via a fairly even mix of CD, SACD, and Vinyl with the occasional BT Streaming through and Audioengine B1. Listening preferences vary all over the board, mostly all forms of classic rock, but jazz, classical, blues, reggae, female vocals, even some rap & country can be part of the mix.
I have really always liked the Polk sound, as you will obviously see below from my speaker selections, but generally I tend to favor what I would call a fairly accurate speaker, airy highs with detail, punchy mid-bass, and a present, but not overwhelming bottom.
I have already auditioned several models of vintage Infinity, Wharfedale Emeralds, Polk SDA 2a, 2bTL (modded), 1c (modded), CRS+4.1TL (modded), 5b’s, Lsim 705, several models of vintage AR, Klipsch KG-2, and Bose 901 Series IV.
Let the games begin - I appreciate any thoughts and suggestions!
OK - so here's the parameters, looking for suggestions for USED tower only (have to narrow it somewhere) speakers that after thorough and diligent and very patient searching, I could acquire for say... under $1500 a pair, hard stop, no $2K pairs please. I know that's not a ton, but it is a fairly wide range - and here are some thoughts below to get everyone started as well as associated gear, room, and listening info.
Please feel free to also ignore this long and involved post, but I tried to anticipate questions in advance.
GoldenEar Triton - (which models?)
Salk - (reaching - again – what to look for?)
B&W - (most confusing speaker lines ever)
Usher - (which ones?)
Focal - Aria, Profile or Chorus
Legacy Audio - Classic
Dynaudio - (which ones?)
Sonus Faber - Venere
Revel - Concerta
Dali - Ikon or Zensor?
what brands/models have I missed?
Associated gear and room –
Mantown – 8’ ceilings, drywall on all walls and carpet on floor. Large soft furniture for dampening, including one large stuffed ersine in the middle of the room, right behind listening position. I’d call it a fairly neutral room. Speaker position between 7’ and 9’ apart, and between 6” and 12” off the rear wall. 3’ to 4’ to the side walls and about 10’-12’ to the listeners ear.
Needs to work fairly equally well with:
Amps – McCormack DNA-1 OR Pass Labs x150.2
Preamps – EE Minimax “Tutay” modded OR Audible Illusions Modulus 1
Phono – Parks Audio Budgie OR Vincent Pho-800
Turntables – Music Hall mmf 5.1 OR Yamaha YP-D6 DD
CDP – Marantz 8400 SACD OR Sony S-9000es SACD
Listening style – almost 100% 2 channel audio, via a fairly even mix of CD, SACD, and Vinyl with the occasional BT Streaming through and Audioengine B1. Listening preferences vary all over the board, mostly all forms of classic rock, but jazz, classical, blues, reggae, female vocals, even some rap & country can be part of the mix.
I have really always liked the Polk sound, as you will obviously see below from my speaker selections, but generally I tend to favor what I would call a fairly accurate speaker, airy highs with detail, punchy mid-bass, and a present, but not overwhelming bottom.
I have already auditioned several models of vintage Infinity, Wharfedale Emeralds, Polk SDA 2a, 2bTL (modded), 1c (modded), CRS+4.1TL (modded), 5b’s, Lsim 705, several models of vintage AR, Klipsch KG-2, and Bose 901 Series IV.
Let the games begin - I appreciate any thoughts and suggestions!
VA HT HK AVR20II, Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD, Polk Audio RC80i / Polk Audio CSi3, 60" Panasonic Plasma, Nordost / Signal Cable A2 / Wireworld / Pangea / Magic Power
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
Comments
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
Transport/Dac: L.K.S MH-DA004, North Star Design USB dac32, Cayin Venus cd-100i,
Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
Speaker Cables: Organic Audio Organic 2, Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9,
Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
Interconnects: Analysis Plus Solo Crystal Oval, Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro,
Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
Power Cables by: Cullen Cables, 6sons Audio, Swiss Cables
Usher N-6311 - essentially the new CP-6311 with improved cabinet structure and no more rear port, making them easier to place in a room.
Cambridge AeroMax 6 - these are decently below budget but I’ve been extremely impressed with them. They offer the blackest background I’ve heard from any budget friendly speaker. They scale well with good gear and I imagine if you upgraded the crossovers with the savings they’d be extremely hard to beat.
$ 2K brand new
Bk
B&K EX-442 , PS Audio 4.6 preamp , Yamaha wxc-50 , Boston Acoustic voyager 7’s - pool
PS Audio Stellar S300 , Cambridge Audio 851n , Yamaha wxc-50 , Salk Supercharged Songtowers
Sony XBR-A8F 65” OLED , Onkyo TX-RZ610 - den
Onkyo TX-nr609 , Polk atrium 7 , Boston acoustic sound ware (4) , Boston acoustic sub , B&W center , Sharp 65” TV - patio
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
I've been noodling these, I do like to avoid a rear firing port if I can because of placement issues tho... hmmm makes that new Usher Skip mentioned intriguing...
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
Also, add the Focus 20/20 to your potential Legacy Audio query. If I had to sell all of my speakers off, my Focus 20/20 pair would be the last to go. They are the best all around speaker I have ever owned, and can be had for $1,500 if you are patient. They do have twin rear facing ports though...
Anyway, just a couple thoughts. Good luck with your search!
Currently enjoying: Legacy Focus 20/20, McCormack DNA 225, Bill D C1, Oppo 105
Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.
“If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
Clear, airy, detail.... this describes the Tritons. What I also love is the powered sub in the speaker. You can adjust the gain as needed, which provides a ton of flexibility.
I even used some of the equipment you listed. At one point I had them hooked up to a Parks Audio Budgie, Dared sl200a and McCormack DNA .5. Even compared to my current Rogue, I preferred that combo. I remember having a non-audiophile buddy come by and he was just gobsmacked. He didn't want to stop listening and I just kept pulling albums. It was fun.
I have not heard any of the other models you mention, but that is my experience anyways.
Have fun!
2 Channel
Turntable - VPI Scout 1.1/Ortofon 2M Blue
Amplification - Parks Audio Budgie, Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 Deluxe
Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
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7.1 Home Theater
Denon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Polk CS350ls, LS90's, FXi3's, RC60i; SVS PC Ultra; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"
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Man Cave
Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold
Integrated Amplifier - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II
CD: Cambridge Audio
Speakers - SDA 2A; Epos Epic 2
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VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
Maggies? Really - I hadn't thought of those!
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.
“If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.
“If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
Joule-Electra LA-100; Balanced Power Technology AC conditioner;
Odyssey Khartago monos (with most factory upgrades); Magnepan MG 3.6R
Washington DC region now
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
Nothing as big as the Kappa 9, no, and I didn't think the 20/20 could be had at that price point! This is good, suggestions expanding the horizon!
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
I want to avoid a sub, but I am not a die hard for low end so that may be OK.
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
I listened to them the other week at a local dealer. Hooked up to modest gear (Parasound P5 and A21), in a similar sized room to yours and they sounded great with I think plenty of bass. I'm also not a bass head, so I don't demand a lot of bass from my speakers.
Right before I listened to the flagship 30.7 and I was not impressed. I walked out of that room with a poor impression of Magnepan. Went to another room that had the 1.7's and they were far better in that set up.
I'm sure the 30.7's can sound much better than they did in that listening session, but the Magnepan rep wanted to show off how good they can be even in a less than ideal set up. I think it backfired, big time.
Samsung PN50B860 50" Plasma : XBOX One : Roku Ultra : Oppo UDP-203 : Pioneer Elite SC-87 : APC H15 : Focal 806V mains : Focal 806V Surrounds : SVS SB2000 : SVS SB12-NSD
2Ch:
Sonus Faber Venere S : Parasound HCA 1500A : Oppo UDP-205 : Furman Elite 15 DM i : Sony XBR 55X810C Monitor :
Wilson audio cub, with the target stands
Jm lab mini utopia
Just to name a few, the price range is around 1800 to 2500.
"No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
If I had the space....!!!!!!!! I'd already have them here.
Just a little road trip...
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ele/d/bynum-infinity-rs-iia-speakers/6838176716.html
Already down to $1450! That's not a bad trip, I would travel that distance for the right speakers, its a day out and back basically... I don't know much about these, I'll have to get some read on.
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
Personal experience is welcomed! Nothing wrong with that and in fact what I'm hoping for!
What do you dig about them?
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
I appreciate that, I just feel like I'm comparing to the Lsim705 towers, so I want to stay tower, probably goofy I know - but I'm also afraid I'll never get there if I open up to monitor sized LOL!
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
"No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro