LSiM 705 have arrived

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 5,893
    Ah, I see what you mean now. Thanks for the clarification! :)
    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • shsshs Posts: 23
    edited July 2018
    As to the original 705 that I needed to replace, there was very obvious harmonic distortion coming from the mid-bass driver that would stop if you touched it. See attached jpgs for the good right and bad left 705s. Polk replaced the driver, but the distortion was still there. Polk decided that it was likely a leak in the mid-bass driver compartment that spoiled the acoustic suspension loading of the driver, hence allowing it to move outside of its linear range. Polk chose to replace the whole speaker, which I greatly appreciated. e9qlhc7kxsy6.jpg
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    SONY VPL-VW385ES, Da-Lite 92" 0.9 HD progressive 16x9 screen, Apple TV 4K, Oppo UDP 203, Anthem AVM 60, D-Sonic 4000 (800x3, 400x4) for bed layer, 2 Crown XLS 1002 (225x4) for Atmos; Speakers: Polk LSiM 705s, 703 front, 4 702F/X surround, 4 Polk TL3 (Atmos), Velodyne DD15 Subwoofer.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 5,893
    Excuse my ignorance, which graph is for which speaker?
    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • shsshs Posts: 23
    The top graph is the "bad" left speaker and with a ~250 Hz signal, you can see the harmonics at 500 and 750 Hz are only 20-30 dB down and there is lots of hash at higher frequencies. With the "good" right speaker, bottom, you don't see any obvious harmonics. This was all done with my phone and used to show Polk the nature of the distortions.
    SONY VPL-VW385ES, Da-Lite 92" 0.9 HD progressive 16x9 screen, Apple TV 4K, Oppo UDP 203, Anthem AVM 60, D-Sonic 4000 (800x3, 400x4) for bed layer, 2 Crown XLS 1002 (225x4) for Atmos; Speakers: Polk LSiM 705s, 703 front, 4 702F/X surround, 4 Polk TL3 (Atmos), Velodyne DD15 Subwoofer.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 5,893
    Thanks again for the clarification, I sincerely appreciate it.

    What did that distortion sound like when you were playing music? Was it obvious?
    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • shsshs Posts: 23
    The answer to your last question is, yes and no. With music, it depends and only happened when there was fairly strong content in the mid-bass frequency range. Also, this type of harmonic distortion is often done on purpose, e.g. “fuzz” with electric guitars, and in the colloquial, sort of sounds like farting. When I first heard it watching TV, I wasn’t sure whether it was part of the soundtrack, e.g intentional fuzz, or a problem with the speaker. However, I was hearing it more than I thought I should, so checked with a frequency sweep, and it was very obvious as distortion when played through the left channel but not the right. The fact that I could stop the distortion by lightly touching the driver’s surround told me that the mid-bass driver was being driven outside its linear range. I snapped an FFT analysis to get some idea as to the magnitude of the distortion, as can be seen above.
    SONY VPL-VW385ES, Da-Lite 92" 0.9 HD progressive 16x9 screen, Apple TV 4K, Oppo UDP 203, Anthem AVM 60, D-Sonic 4000 (800x3, 400x4) for bed layer, 2 Crown XLS 1002 (225x4) for Atmos; Speakers: Polk LSiM 705s, 703 front, 4 702F/X surround, 4 Polk TL3 (Atmos), Velodyne DD15 Subwoofer.
  • halohalo Posts: 4,880
    shs wrote: »
    The answer to your last question is, yes and no. With music, it depends and only happened when there was fairly strong content in the mid-bass frequency range. Also, this type of harmonic distortion is often done on purpose, e.g. “fuzz” with electric guitars, and in the colloquial, sort of sounds like farting. When I first heard it watching TV, I wasn’t sure whether it was part of the soundtrack, e.g intentional fuzz, or a problem with the speaker. However, I was hearing it more than I thought I should, so checked with a frequency sweep, and it was very obvious as distortion when played through the left channel but not the right. The fact that I could stop the distortion by lightly touching the driver’s surround told me that the mid-bass driver was being driven outside its linear range. I snapped an FFT analysis to get some idea as to the magnitude of the distortion, as can be seen above.

    Great job on recognizing and diagnosing the issue!

    Now I have to be über diligent when listening for any issues.

    Thank you for posting this information.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,080
    In my opinion, the mid bass driver (which I have already replaced one in my 705’s) are the weak links of these speakers. Otherwise very stellar.
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, 4 x Linn LK240 monoblocks ( bi-amping) Elac Adante AF-61's, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with Mullard NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd

    5.1: Marantz sr5003 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Totem Rainmakers (not hooked up) Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • halohalo Posts: 4,880
    joecoulson wrote: »
    In my opinion, the mid bass driver (which I have already replaced one in my 705’s) are the weak links of these speakers. Otherwise very stellar.

    Hmmm. Design flaw?
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,080
    Not sure. They seem to move more than the subwoofers when driven hard. Could be a design flaw in the power distribution between the drivers but I’m not sure.
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, 4 x Linn LK240 monoblocks ( bi-amping) Elac Adante AF-61's, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with Mullard NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd

    5.1: Marantz sr5003 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Totem Rainmakers (not hooked up) Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • halohalo Posts: 4,880
    Ok. I don’t drive them that hard. Even when I played the soundtrack to Blade Runner 2049 the only drivers visibly moving were the Cassini woofers / subs
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 7,047
    halo wrote: »
    I don’t drive them that hard.

    Crank 'em up to 11..... B)
    Make yourself necessary to someone. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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  • DaveHoDaveHo Posts: 2,149
    Crossover to the cassinis is too low IMHO. That said, they sound spectacular withn the limits.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,080
    DaveHo wrote: »
    Crossover to the cassinis is too low IMHO. That said, they sound spectacular withn the limits.
    I agree
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, 4 x Linn LK240 monoblocks ( bi-amping) Elac Adante AF-61's, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with Mullard NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd

    5.1: Marantz sr5003 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Totem Rainmakers (not hooked up) Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • halohalo Posts: 4,880
    DaveHo wrote: »
    Crossover to the cassinis is too low IMHO. That said, they sound spectacular withn the limits.
    joecoulson wrote: »
    I agree

    Would’ve been nice to know this before I bought them :#
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,080
    Not saying I don’t love them, I do. But even great products have their flaws. You will not regret buying them.
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, 4 x Linn LK240 monoblocks ( bi-amping) Elac Adante AF-61's, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with Mullard NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd

    5.1: Marantz sr5003 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Totem Rainmakers (not hooked up) Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • DaveHoDaveHo Posts: 2,149
    While they are not SPL monsters, you don't need to baby them. I have never bottomed out the mid-woof. That said, when running them full range, the 5 1/4 driver really moves. Play Pink Floyd, Mother & crank it up some. You'll see what I mean.
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,248
    Agree with Dave ^^^^ above

    Right after the 705's were born and Russman still was a Polk rep we jammed these babies at LSAF for their debut...and you know how we do it at LSAF ;) B)

    From 12watts to 200+ watt amps these babies can play....do a search here on the forum :)
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
  • halohalo Posts: 4,880
    DaveHo wrote: »
    While they are not SPL monsters, you don't need to baby them. I have never bottomed out the mid-woof. That said, when running them full range, the 5 1/4 driver really moves. Play Pink Floyd, Mother & crank it up some. You'll see what I mean.

    Performed this "test" with no major cone movement visible. This is probably because I live in an apartment & the "loudest" listening levels I get to here aren't very loud (perhaps by forum standards?). lol.
  • shsshs Posts: 23
    edited August 2018
    The 705s certainly play loud enough for my purposes, and I live in a large house some distance from the neighbors with a dedicated home theater. Let's see if my signature block now has info. Tried several times, but no luck.
    SONY VPL-VW385ES, Da-Lite 92" 0.9 HD progressive 16x9 screen, Apple TV 4K, Oppo UDP 203, Anthem AVM 60, D-Sonic 4000 (800x3, 400x4) for bed layer, 2 Crown XLS 1002 (225x4) for Atmos; Speakers: Polk LSiM 705s, 703 front, 4 702F/X surround, 4 Polk TL3 (Atmos), Velodyne DD15 Subwoofer.
  • jayu969jayu969 Posts: 105
    Nice reviews...considering getting a pair of 705's myself.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,992
    lightman1 wrote: »
    Manticore wrote: »
    lightman1 wrote: »
    Manticore wrote: »
    lightman1 wrote: »
    I don't have a home....

    Yeah but is any of your equipment located close by? :)

    Where you at?

    I was just funnin with you since you seem to have equipment in many,many states. B)
    Southern NH, about an hour S SE of @mhardy6647

    You're in luck.... There is a big amplifier of mine floating around near you. Call Doc.

    It is true, but the amplifier in question is still in rehab.
    We wanted it to go to rehab, and we said, yes, yes, yes.
  • verbverb Posts: 5,109
    halo wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Victor, if you call Conrad-Johnson they will tell you that Steve McCormack is no longer there.........just saying ya know.

    Yes, I caught that thread. ;)

    Thankfully, SMC is up and running in California!

    That Conrad Johnson amp @verb has looks like a beast

    Hey Vic just caught this. Yes it is! I've got it paired with the VTL pre and SRS's with new tweeters. Still breaking em in, but so far sounds fantastic! Was playing the new Bill Idol album rather loud last night and the CJ didn't break a sweat! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • spongersponger Posts: 321
    Just out of curiosity...why did you sell them?
    Denon AVR 3312CI
    S15
    Sony 790S
    Denon DP 300f
  • halohalo Posts: 4,880
    sponger wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity...why did you sell them?

    They were not a good fit for the rest of my setup. I preferred the sound of the Signature S60 speakers > that of the LSiM 705 speakers in my listening environment & on my gear.

    I have since sold the Signature S60 speakers and I am now using Usher CP-6311 floorstanding speakers.

    I hope that helps you. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask.
  • spongersponger Posts: 321
    That really is helpful. As a happy S15 owner, I can understand the appreciation for the Sig series.
    Denon AVR 3312CI
    S15
    Sony 790S
    Denon DP 300f
  • vavanvavan Posts: 15
    shs wrote: »
    The top graph is the "bad" left speaker and with a ~250 Hz signal, you can see the harmonics at 500 and 750 Hz are only 20-30 dB down and there is lots of hash at higher frequencies. With the "good" right speaker, bottom, you don't see any obvious harmonics. This was all done with my phone and used to show Polk the nature of the distortions.

    What was the app used to get these graphs?
    Parasound Halo Integrated, Pioneer SC-LX 901, Oppo-205, Polk Audio LSiM 705 + Heco Aurora Center 30 + Heco Victa Prime 202
  • shsshs Posts: 23
    Those graphs were made with SignalScope on my iPhone.
    SONY VPL-VW385ES, Da-Lite 92" 0.9 HD progressive 16x9 screen, Apple TV 4K, Oppo UDP 203, Anthem AVM 60, D-Sonic 4000 (800x3, 400x4) for bed layer, 2 Crown XLS 1002 (225x4) for Atmos; Speakers: Polk LSiM 705s, 703 front, 4 702F/X surround, 4 Polk TL3 (Atmos), Velodyne DD15 Subwoofer.
  • vavanvavan Posts: 15
    shs wrote: »
    Those graphs were made with SignalScope on my iPhone.
    I have neither iphone nor that app but wonder how would it look captured with say free rew app and standalone mic...
    Parasound Halo Integrated, Pioneer SC-LX 901, Oppo-205, Polk Audio LSiM 705 + Heco Aurora Center 30 + Heco Victa Prime 202
  • shsshs Posts: 23
    That should be fine. I was not using REW at the time and love it now. Before I was using a sweep on a test CD and SignalScope as the RTA. In my case the distortion happened only during a fairly specific frequency range and I would have to pause SignalScope and save the image when I started to see the distortion. I would think that the RTA function of REW would work fine for capturing this sort of thing.
    SONY VPL-VW385ES, Da-Lite 92" 0.9 HD progressive 16x9 screen, Apple TV 4K, Oppo UDP 203, Anthem AVM 60, D-Sonic 4000 (800x3, 400x4) for bed layer, 2 Crown XLS 1002 (225x4) for Atmos; Speakers: Polk LSiM 705s, 703 front, 4 702F/X surround, 4 Polk TL3 (Atmos), Velodyne DD15 Subwoofer.
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