This is why a good many of us recommend separate amplification to ensure that your speakers have all the power they need to operate to their full potential.
I always recommend an amp of at least 200wpc at 8ohms. However Loren put an Emotiva Basx on his 60s and he said that it gave them a nice boost.
Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 ch. 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
I would say the power requirements Cathy (@cfrizz) is referring to above requires you, the listener, to consider many variables.
How loud do you listen? The louder you listen, the more power you may need.
How big is the room in which you listen to music and/or movies? The bigger the space you have to fill with sound/pressurize the room, the more power you may need.
I've had amps here of all different shapes and sizes, solid state amps and tube amps, and it really is a matter of synergy with your room, listening tastes/style, as well as how your setup overall integrates. People talk about adding a component and having it make a significant difference (in the best case scenario) and following that line of thought, it's all about experimentation to hear what sounds best to you in your environment.
There's nothing wrong with the 200 wat-per-channel recommendation but, if a 125 wat-per-channel amp will more than adequately do the job and it has better overall sound quality, by all means, you should go with the better sounding amp!
There are so many different types of equipment out there and so many different brands that it can be daunting but that is also part of the fun. Once you find what sounds best to you, then you're a happy camper who has the experience of trying many different pieces in order to craft what works best for you.
I would say the power requirements Cathy (@cfrizz) is referring to above requires you, the listener, to consider many variables.
How loud do you listen? The louder you listen, the more power you may need.
How big is the room in which you listen to music and/or movies? The bigger the space you have to fill with sound/pressurize the room, the more power you may need.
I've had amps here of all different shapes and sizes, solid state amps and tube amps, and it really is a matter of synergy with your room, listening tastes/style, as well as how your setup overall integrates. People talk about adding a component and having it make a significant difference (in the best case scenario) and following that line of thought, it's all about experimentation to hear what sounds best to you in your environment.
There's nothing wrong with the 200 wat-per-channel recommendation but, if a 125 wat-per-channel amp will more than adequately do the job and it has better overall sound quality, by all means, you should go with the better sounding amp!
There are so many different types of equipment out there and so many different brands that it can be daunting but that is also part of the fun. Once you find what sounds best to you, then you're a happy camper who has the experience of trying many different pieces in order to craft what works best for you.
I like having lots of power because it doesn't matter where the volume knob is, I am able to hear all the details of the music. ESPECIALLY at lower volume. That was the biggest surprise I got when I got the Parasound 1500A. I want my speakers to have all the power they need to operate to their full potential at all times, lots of power ensures this.
I personally don't assume that everyone wants to experiment with every piece of gear that exists, that way could possibly lead to hoarder syndrome, bankruptcy or divorce court.
There is no guarantee, that you will be able to recoup what you paid out on the gear, hell there isn't any guarantee that you will be able to sell it at all! Just look at that nice pair of Dynaudio's that have been sitting in the FM!
I believe in doing it once with extensive research, doing it right the first time around, even if it cost a bit more up front, then sitting back and enjoying it for years to come.
But that's just me, I like interjecting a bit of practicality into this crazy hobby.
Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 ch. 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
I would say the power requirements Cathy (@cfrizz) is referring to above requires you, the listener, to consider many variables.
How loud do you listen? The louder you listen, the more power you may need.
How big is the room in which you listen to music and/or movies? The bigger the space you have to fill with sound/pressurize the room, the more power you may need.
I've had amps here of all different shapes and sizes, solid state amps and tube amps, and it really is a matter of synergy with your room, listening tastes/style, as well as how your setup overall integrates. People talk about adding a component and having it make a significant difference (in the best case scenario) and following that line of thought, it's all about experimentation to hear what sounds best to you in your environment.
There's nothing wrong with the 200 wat-per-channel recommendation but, if a 125 wat-per-channel amp will more than adequately do the job and it has better overall sound quality, by all means, you should go with the better sounding amp!
There are so many different types of equipment out there and so many different brands that it can be daunting but that is also part of the fun. Once you find what sounds best to you, then you're a happy camper who has the experience of trying many different pieces in order to craft what works best for you.
I like having lots of power because it doesn't matter where the volume knob is, I am able to hear all the details of the music. ESPECIALLY at lower volume. That was the biggest surprise I got when I got the Parasound 1500A. I want my speakers to have all the power they need to operate to their full potential at all times, lots of power ensures this.
I personally don't assume that everyone wants toexperiment with every piece of gear that exists, that way could possibly lead to hoarder syndrome, bankruptcy or divorce court.
There is no guarantee, that you will be able to recoup what you paid out on the gear, hell there isn't any guarantee that you will be able to sell it at all! Just look at that nice pair of Dynaudio's that have been sitting in the FM!
I believe in doing it once with extensive research, doing it right the first time around, even if it cost a bit more up front, then sitting back and enjoying it for years to come.
But that's just me, I like interjecting a bit of practicality into this crazy hobby.
Now that's a fact I can relate too!
I had 1 system for many, many years.
Then I bought a set of Polk Monitor 10's. I was hooked. Seriously. Luxman receivers also played a big part in the beginning of hearing music sound so NICE. I hooked those Polk Monitor 10's up to a Luxman 1030 I think it was. Now look at me.
It must be like what that first puff on a crack pipe does.
Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
This is why a good many of us recommend separate amplification to ensure that your speakers have all the power they need to operate to their full potential.
I always recommend an amp of at least 200wpc at 8ohms. However Loren put an Emotiva Basx on his 60s and he said that it gave them a nice boost.
Yes it did very nice. About one of the best audio investments I have made. I am now going to save for one of the big boy's. Would like an A31 but I'll settle for a 2250v2.
Adding the amp didn't make it louder but added a lot more detail. More clean power will show what a speaker can sound like.
When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
Family Room:
Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
Main: Polk LsiM 705
Center: Polk LSiM 704C
Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
Surrounds: Polk S15
Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
Bed Room;
Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
Main: Polk Signature S20
Center: Polk Signature S35
Rear: Polk R15
Sub: HSU STF-2
Working Warehouse;
Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
Old sony 12" Sub
Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
Yes it did very nice. About one of the best audio investments I have made. I am now going to save for one of the big boy's. Would like an A31 but I'll settle for a 2250v2.
Adding the amp didn't make it louder but added a lot more detail. More clean power will show what a speaker can sound like.
And that is really the true purpose of an amp, which is what the majority of people have no clue about. They will blame the speakers, when the blame belongs with the weak amplifier that is powering the receiver.
Having a receiver that can supposedly do it all with all the latest bells and whistles is great, but what they don't tell you is in order to give you all those bells and whistles they have to sacrifice somewhere, and that place is in the power.
The specs they show you are misleading at best since they never tell you how many wpc each of your 5-7 or more channels is actually drawing when all are in use. That 110wpc quickly drops down to 80wpc when spread out to so many speakers.
LOL! I knew you would now want more power to see what your speakers can do Loren!
Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 ch. 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
I like having lots of power because it doesn't matter where the volume knob is, I am able to hear all the details of the music. ESPECIALLY at lower volume. That was the biggest surprise I got when I got the Parasound 1500A. I want my speakers to have all the power they need to operate to their full potential at all times, lots of power ensures this.
Forgive me Cathy but that statement doesn't make a whole lot of sense. No matter where the volume knob is you can hear all the details? lol. Well, ok, but, if it's all the way down, you're not going to hear much of anything, no matter how many watts the amp puts out! Even at low volumes, really low volumes, you're not hearing all the details. IMO, there's a certain point where everything "clicks." It doesn't have to be LOUD for that to happen with every setup Cathy, but it does have to be audible. I can hear all the details, at modest listening levels, just fine with only 125 wpc in my setup. I guess I'm just lucky?
I personally don't assume that everyone wants to experiment with every piece of gear that exists, that way could possibly lead to hoarder syndrome, bankruptcy or divorce court.
Well, Cathy, variety is the spice of life! I wouldn't be where I am now if I had stayed where I was. The point is, I'm very happy that I experimented with a lot of different gear over the years. Through trial & error, I found the sound I love and enjoy.
There is no guarantee, that you will be able to recoup what you paid out on the gear, hell there isn't any guarantee that you will be able to sell it at all! Just look at that nice pair of Dynaudio's that have been sitting in the FM!
There are no guarantees with anything in life Cathy. Everything is a chance. All of those Dynaudio speakers I had sold. The initial listing was placed in the summer and that's a tough time to sell audio gear. Just because they didn't sell here doesn't mean they didn't move elsewhere. I just like to give the Polk family first shot at the gear before I list it elsewhere.
I believe in doing it once with extensive research, doing it right the first time around, even if it cost a bit more up front, then sitting back and enjoying it for years to come.
That's what a lot of people on other audio forums like to do as well Cathy. They look at the specifications, read reviews, ask other people that own the gear they're interested in and sometimes that works out but sometimes it doesn't. Heck, I was all jazzed about the ELAC UB5, UC5, & UF5 speakers when they first came out. I sold off a set of speakers that I was pretty happy with based on the promise of the ELAC speakers superiority thanks to the magic introduced to this "budget" line by the legendary designer Andrew Jones. I even went to the AXPONA 2016 exposition in Rosemont Illinois to hear them for myself. I met and spoke with Mr. Jones extensively about these speakers and, after hearing them, I was convinced I was on the right path so I preordered the ELAC UF5 floor standing speakers & the UC5 center channel.
When the speakers arrived, I could not have been more disappointed. The ELAC speakers simply did not work in my room. I could not replicate the sound I heard at the exhibition and all the reviews online were RAVING about these speakers.
I got lucky and I was able to purchase another set of the speakers I sold off to buy the ELAC speakers locally so I made out. The point here is that I learned how important a factor the listening environment is in the sound you hear. Previously, nothing had this big of an impact on my setup before. I know I'm not alone in this as @Clipdat just went through the same thing with the Monitor Audio Bronze bookshelf speakers. Rave reviews online with a lot of people backing them up on the forums. They simply didn't work in Clipdat's room. No amount of research is going to tell you exactly how some piece of gear or pair of speakers is going to sound in your room, on your gear/with your gear until it actually gets placed into that setup.
But that's just me, I like interjecting a bit of practicality into this crazy hobby.
Maybe you see it as practicality Cathy but I don't agree with you nor do I see experimentation as impractical. If you take no risks, you get no rewards. Playing it safe is fine for some people and it seems to work well for you. I'm not going to try and tell you how to approach this hobby. That's your decision. However, playing it safe isn't for everybody Cathy. I don't assume that everyone wants to experiment with different gear but I'm not going to discourage it. I also don't assume that experimenting with gear will lead to hoarding/hoarder syndrome (is that actually in the DSM Cathy?). I don't assume that experimenting with different gear will lead to bankruptcy, do you? One can live within one's means and still experiment Cathy. It is possible to budget for the things you enjoy doing, is it not? Finally, I would not assume that experimenting with different gear would lead to divorce Cathy. I would think that other issues in a relationship exist to go that route as I've never heard of someone getting divorced solely due to a spouse experimenting with different....gear. Experimenting with drugs, alcohol, or experimenting with other partners, yes. IF you are referring to the financial burdens placed on a couple's finances because of secret spending by one partner without disclosing it to their partner, I would say that is a trust issue between the people involved in the relationship and not specifically tied to the audio hobby.
But that's just me, I like to interject a bit of experimentation into this wonderful hobby.
@Clipdat - That's one of my points in the post above. Those Monitor Audio bookshelf speakers are receiving rave reviews from many people, including What Hi-Fi?, Amazon, & Crutchfield. There's also a mention of them in the Monitor Audio dedicated thread at the avsforum:
They really sounded good for the price when i had a sit down with these little monsters. I have the new Center with new Bronze 1 at rear and BX5 front. Yes Silver line is better with music, but with movies the difference isn`t that big. If you think the price jump, no thanks! Better spent that money to good sub. Highly recommended for movie guys! You really don`t have to buy zillion costing speakers to enjoy movies nowadays. Very nice job Monitor Audio!
How can that be if they truly are awful? I'm not saying you're wrong but one has to wonder how and why other people are finding those speakers to be so engaging.
Yeah, how can that be? Did I get a dud pair or something? Were mine built on a Monday instead of a Friday? Makes you wonder...
Oh well, but maybe my experience with them just shows that I'm very much a Polk Audio guy and not so much a Monitor Audio guy.
Wouldn't have been able to figure that out without experimenting. Thanks Victor for your help along my audio journey, you're a true asset to this forum.
How can that be if they truly are awful? I'm not saying you're wrong but one has to wonder how and why other people are finding those speakers to be so engaging.
That's where I picked up my receiver, no issues so far. I was planning on standing pat for a while, but if this deal is still around in a couple months when my finances loosen up some I might have to pull the trigger. Under $500 for a pair, delivered? Wow
Pro-ject 2 Experience SB, OPPO BDP-103, Marantz SR5011, Lounge LCR MKIII, B&K Ref 2220, AMC 2100, Polk LSiM705, Polk LSiM706C, Polk LSiM702, SVS SB16-Ultra
Well I am in Canada and paid 798 Canadian for my pair of S60 and free delivery from an electronics store here in Canada. I think for the price you can get these speakers for it is a no brainer. Polk has done a great job with these speakers as far as I am concerned
Who here has s15s on speaker stands and what stand thanks
Hi Ct,
Not sure what your budget is but I'm using cheap Sanus stands. They look cheap up close, but ok for the price. $50
I will probably upgrade to better ones at one point but for now they're ok.
IF you can spend more there are much better options also depending on the height you want. Mine are 31".
Also I use Bluetack to keep them in place . I wouldn't even consider not using Bluetack.
Who here has s15s on speaker stands and what stand thanks
Hi Ct,
Not sure what your budget is but I'm using cheap Sanus stands. They look cheap up close, but ok for the price. $50
I will probably upgrade to better ones at one point but for now they're ok.
IF you can spend more there are much better options also depending on the height you want. Mine are 31".
Also I use Bluetack to keep them in place . I wouldn't even consider not using Bluetack.
Who here has s15s on speaker stands and what stand thanks
I used my S15s with the TransDeco Speaker Stands, 32-Inch and they work brilliantly together. I've moved on from the bookies but still have the stands and I'd be willing to let them go as I'll have no use for them when we move.
Who here has s15s on speaker stands and what stand thanks
I used my S15s with the TransDeco Speaker Stands, 32-Inch and they work brilliantly together. I've moved on from the bookies but still have the stands and I'd be willing to let them go as I'll have no use for them when we move.
How much? I would imagine they aren't cheap to ship
Others, have had towers in front and back and seem to like it, try it and see. However, if you don't like it, make sure you have somewhere else where you can hook up the second pair of towers.
Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 ch. 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
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I always recommend an amp of at least 200wpc at 8ohms. However Loren put an Emotiva Basx on his 60s and he said that it gave them a nice boost.
How loud do you listen? The louder you listen, the more power you may need.
How big is the room in which you listen to music and/or movies? The bigger the space you have to fill with sound/pressurize the room, the more power you may need.
I've had amps here of all different shapes and sizes, solid state amps and tube amps, and it really is a matter of synergy with your room, listening tastes/style, as well as how your setup overall integrates. People talk about adding a component and having it make a significant difference (in the best case scenario) and following that line of thought, it's all about experimentation to hear what sounds best to you in your environment.
There's nothing wrong with the 200 wat-per-channel recommendation but, if a 125 wat-per-channel amp will more than adequately do the job and it has better overall sound quality, by all means, you should go with the better sounding amp!
There are so many different types of equipment out there and so many different brands that it can be daunting but that is also part of the fun. Once you find what sounds best to you, then you're a happy camper who has the experience of trying many different pieces in order to craft what works best for you.
Vinyl: Fluance RT85 * Nagaoka MP-110 * Bottlehead Reduction + Integration Upgrade * KAB RF1
Video: Hisense 55H8F * Panasonic DMP-UB200 * Z-line Designs Elektra
I like having lots of power because it doesn't matter where the volume knob is, I am able to hear all the details of the music. ESPECIALLY at lower volume. That was the biggest surprise I got when I got the Parasound 1500A. I want my speakers to have all the power they need to operate to their full potential at all times, lots of power ensures this.
I personally don't assume that everyone wants to experiment with every piece of gear that exists, that way could possibly lead to hoarder syndrome, bankruptcy or divorce court.
There is no guarantee, that you will be able to recoup what you paid out on the gear, hell there isn't any guarantee that you will be able to sell it at all! Just look at that nice pair of Dynaudio's that have been sitting in the FM!
I believe in doing it once with extensive research, doing it right the first time around, even if it cost a bit more up front, then sitting back and enjoying it for years to come.
But that's just me, I like interjecting a bit of practicality into this crazy hobby.
Now that's a fact I can relate too!
I had 1 system for many, many years.
Then I bought a set of Polk Monitor 10's. I was hooked. Seriously. Luxman receivers also played a big part in the beginning of hearing music sound so NICE. I hooked those Polk Monitor 10's up to a Luxman 1030 I think it was. Now look at me.
It must be like what that first puff on a crack pipe does.
Yes it did very nice. About one of the best audio investments I have made. I am now going to save for one of the big boy's. Would like an A31 but I'll settle for a 2250v2.
Adding the amp didn't make it louder but added a lot more detail. More clean power will show what a speaker can sound like.
Family Room:
Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
Main: Polk LsiM 705
Center: Polk LSiM 704C
Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
Surrounds: Polk S15
Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
Bed Room;
Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
Main: Polk Signature S20
Center: Polk Signature S35
Rear: Polk R15
Sub: HSU STF-2
Working Warehouse;
Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
Old sony 12" Sub
Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
And that is really the true purpose of an amp, which is what the majority of people have no clue about. They will blame the speakers, when the blame belongs with the weak amplifier that is powering the receiver.
Having a receiver that can supposedly do it all with all the latest bells and whistles is great, but what they don't tell you is in order to give you all those bells and whistles they have to sacrifice somewhere, and that place is in the power.
The specs they show you are misleading at best since they never tell you how many wpc each of your 5-7 or more channels is actually drawing when all are in use. That 110wpc quickly drops down to 80wpc when spread out to so many speakers.
LOL! I knew you would now want more power to see what your speakers can do Loren!
When the speakers arrived, I could not have been more disappointed. The ELAC speakers simply did not work in my room. I could not replicate the sound I heard at the exhibition and all the reviews online were RAVING about these speakers.
I got lucky and I was able to purchase another set of the speakers I sold off to buy the ELAC speakers locally so I made out. The point here is that I learned how important a factor the listening environment is in the sound you hear. Previously, nothing had this big of an impact on my setup before. I know I'm not alone in this as @Clipdat just went through the same thing with the Monitor Audio Bronze bookshelf speakers. Rave reviews online with a lot of people backing them up on the forums. They simply didn't work in Clipdat's room. No amount of research is going to tell you exactly how some piece of gear or pair of speakers is going to sound in your room, on your gear/with your gear until it actually gets placed into that setup. Maybe you see it as practicality Cathy but I don't agree with you nor do I see experimentation as impractical. If you take no risks, you get no rewards. Playing it safe is fine for some people and it seems to work well for you. I'm not going to try and tell you how to approach this hobby. That's your decision. However, playing it safe isn't for everybody Cathy. I don't assume that everyone wants to experiment with different gear but I'm not going to discourage it. I also don't assume that experimenting with gear will lead to hoarding/hoarder syndrome (is that actually in the DSM Cathy?). I don't assume that experimenting with different gear will lead to bankruptcy, do you? One can live within one's means and still experiment Cathy. It is possible to budget for the things you enjoy doing, is it not? Finally, I would not assume that experimenting with different gear would lead to divorce Cathy. I would think that other issues in a relationship exist to go that route as I've never heard of someone getting divorced solely due to a spouse experimenting with different....gear. Experimenting with drugs, alcohol, or experimenting with other partners, yes. IF you are referring to the financial burdens placed on a couple's finances because of secret spending by one partner without disclosing it to their partner, I would say that is a trust issue between the people involved in the relationship and not specifically tied to the audio hobby.
But that's just me, I like to interject a bit of experimentation into this wonderful hobby.
Vinyl: Fluance RT85 * Nagaoka MP-110 * Bottlehead Reduction + Integration Upgrade * KAB RF1
Video: Hisense 55H8F * Panasonic DMP-UB200 * Z-line Designs Elektra
Also for the record, I don't think the MA B2s were awful only in my listening room, I think they're just awful period.
Yes, I did.
@Clipdat - That's one of my points in the post above. Those Monitor Audio bookshelf speakers are receiving rave reviews from many people, including What Hi-Fi?, Amazon, & Crutchfield. There's also a mention of them in the Monitor Audio dedicated thread at the avsforum:
How can that be if they truly are awful? I'm not saying you're wrong but one has to wonder how and why other people are finding those speakers to be so engaging.
Vinyl: Fluance RT85 * Nagaoka MP-110 * Bottlehead Reduction + Integration Upgrade * KAB RF1
Video: Hisense 55H8F * Panasonic DMP-UB200 * Z-line Designs Elektra
Oh well, but maybe my experience with them just shows that I'm very much a Polk Audio guy and not so much a Monitor Audio guy.
Wouldn't have been able to figure that out without experimenting. Thanks Victor for your help along my audio journey, you're a true asset to this forum.
That is a DARN good price. That a legit site?
It's very legit and all mf warranty are honored.. Bought from them a few times
Not sure what your budget is but I'm using cheap Sanus stands. They look cheap up close, but ok for the price. $50
I will probably upgrade to better ones at one point but for now they're ok.
IF you can spend more there are much better options also depending on the height you want. Mine are 31".
Also I use Bluetack to keep them in place . I wouldn't even consider not using Bluetack.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006JQ5O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FGLX72/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
They say the top plate is only 5x5 that seems pretty small.. Price is ok and height is good tho..
I used my S15s with the TransDeco Speaker Stands, 32-Inch and they work brilliantly together. I've moved on from the bookies but still have the stands and I'd be willing to let them go as I'll have no use for them when we move.
Vinyl: Fluance RT85 * Nagaoka MP-110 * Bottlehead Reduction + Integration Upgrade * KAB RF1
Video: Hisense 55H8F * Panasonic DMP-UB200 * Z-line Designs Elektra
How much? I would imagine they aren't cheap to ship