Bi-Wiring, what exactly is it doing?

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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 2,016
    Thanks for taking time and patience to respond maturely!
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,120
    edited June 2015
    BlueFox wrote: »
    LOL. Deja Moo. Good one.

    I see it got removed, guess the bull word wasn't appropriate. I understand and probably should have cleaned it up.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,659
    vmaxer wrote: »
    I see it got removed, guess the bull word wasn't appropriate. I understand and probably should have cleaned it up.

    Too bad, that was great!!!

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,659
    Keiko wrote: »
    And again, I'm not your friend. Enjoy your sociopathic psychosis.

    It's like Deja Moo all over again, eh Mike?

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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    And @kevintomb and @xcapri79 still aren't answering any questions; and yet are still continuing their "witty" banter. Does this show that they are continuing their usual behavior because their intentions are to show they are correct? Or is it because they are not able to prove they are correct; and they are not able to have a two way constructive conversation leading to learning something.

    I will leave it to the reader to decide.............

    Would @kevintomb and @xcapri79 like to decide to engage in some real conversation? Or are you going to follow the same pattern? Please say you have something real to add to this "conversation" and that you are not really here to get the thread(s) closed and/or try to demean others instead of trying to show your views are correct.

    I look forward to your reply to the many questions asked in this thread and the "sound quality and time of day thread".
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,872
    You will be waiting till hell freezes over. We have a better chance of John, Paul, George and Ringo taking the world by storm on a new world tour, and two of them are dead.
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,371
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Keiko wrote: »
    I'd probably go with 12 or 14 AWG. If you're looking for inexpensive, bulk wire. Blue Jeans Cable would be my recommendation.
    http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

    I'm glad my efforts are finally paying off my and you are offering a good suggestion. Perhaps the cable debates are over now that my friend Keiko has turned to the right side. ;)

    Thank you.

    x-man: I believe this proves that you understand that cables make a difference. There are much cheaper alternatives than the BJC referenced by Keiko that would surely get the signal from point A to point B.

    http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cerrowire-250-ft-Clear-14-2-Speaker-Wire-260-1402G3/202206463
    This seems more in line with what you would recommend.

    This is a sincere post based on your well known opinion on the subject of cables. I'm not intending to be funny, demeaning, etc.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,659
    I take issue with the esoteric type of speaker cables that cost several hundred or thousands of dollars for typical lengths which make unscientific claims as to their performance over that of the reasonably priced cables mentioned above.

    Yet, from what I have been able to discern based on your stated experiences with cable, you have never tried the cables you rail against, instead choosing to rely on speculation under the guise of science rendering your opinion on the matter useless.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    F1nut wrote: »
    , instead choosing to rely on speculation under the guise of science rendering your opinion on the matter useless.

    Cha-ching. I believe that has been the point all along.

    Science.....even within their own scientific community, do not opinions vary ? Do they not question one another ? How tests are done....what equipment was used, what conditions, if those conditions were accurately reproduced ?

    If all that was still on the up and up, scientist would still disagree with one another in certain areas. Scientist themselves are not immune to the same biases, placebo, whatever you want to call it.....especially when grant money is involved.
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,371
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    ... I've never quibbled over the sensibly priced choices...

    So as long as the cable is not what you perceive to be overpriced then cables make a difference?
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,371
    kevintomb wrote: »
    PSOVLSK wrote: »
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    ... I've never quibbled over the sensibly priced choices...

    So as long as the cable is not what you perceive to be overpriced then cables make a difference?

    Kinda the other way around. (( I feel the same as what you quoted from him...))
    Cables make a small difference in LESS DEGRADATION OF THE SOUND, up to a certain point. But not based purely on price.
    I don't see how it's the other way around. He said that as long as they are sensibly priced, cables can make a difference.

    You guys decide, either they can make a difference or they can't.

    I'll ask again and I won't expect an answer since I've asked several times and haven't gotten an answer: What cables do you use kev? x-man?
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,120
    To the trolls.

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  • DollarDave
    DollarDave Posts: 2,575
    edited June 2015
    So, you think you use Monster cable, but aren't certain of the gauge, and then claim that after a certain unspecified gauge (fairly early on) that there is no discernible difference?

    What kind of fool are you?

    Now you've attempted to change your argument from "don't make a difference" to "don't make a discernible difference". [edit] you've edited that to "Meaningful difference" ... But either way, is that to you, or to someone else? Where is your scientific measurement as to where the difference becomes "meaningful"?

    Then, you are making a broad statement about when a speaker cable is reasonably sized and of a short length, it is not the most important thing that can be tweaked... Do you have the ability to comprehend what you read? I can honestly say that no one on this forum has ever stated that cables are the most important thing in their system...

    I'm an armchair shrink, I think your biggest problem is, although you and x only allude to it, is the amount of money that some people spend on their ic's and cables...

    Your just jealous. And foolish. Very, very foolish.
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