Love me a "Speaker Speaker" cable debate, especially when it turns into an HDMI cable debate
Speaker, HDMI, COAX, RCA, SPDIF, XLR or network, it does not matter, you get what you pay for. Will the Monoprice/Fry's elcheap-O cables work? yes! but will you get the same performance? NO! Better quality cables DO make a difference. If you can't hear the cow bells time to get better cables.
When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
Family Room:
Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
Main: Polk LsiM 705
Center: Polk LSiM 704C
Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
Surrounds: Polk S15
Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
Bed Room;
Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
Main: Polk Signature S20
Center: Polk Signature S35
Rear: Polk R15
Sub: HSU STF-2
Working Warehouse;
Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
Old sony 12" Sub
Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
Love me a "Speaker Speaker" cable debate, especially when it turns into an HDMI cable debate
Speaker, HDMI, COAX, RCA, SPDIF, XLR or network, it does not matter, you get what you pay for. Will the Monoprice/Fry's elcheap-O cables work? yes! but will you get the same performance? NO! Better quality cables DO make a difference. If you can't hear the cow bells time to get better cables.
I can hear the cow bells with Doug's cables.
Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
China white box cat5 made 112MBs and bounced between 105-112MBs. The same 25GB ISO using my better CCI cable held a solid 124MBs
Now put in a 10MB switch in the chain and see if the cable makes any practical difference.
Why would I want to do that? I have a nice CISCO gigabit switch on my home network. Thing that sucks is COX only goes to 150Mbs, on speed test I get 155Mbs on every jack in our house.
We made some crossover cables to show there is a difference in cables.
When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
Family Room:
Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
Main: Polk LsiM 705
Center: Polk LSiM 704C
Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
Surrounds: Polk S15
Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
Bed Room;
Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
Main: Polk Signature S20
Center: Polk Signature S35
Rear: Polk R15
Sub: HSU STF-2
Working Warehouse;
Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
Old sony 12" Sub
Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
To demonstrate it's the weakest link in the chain that dominates. With HDMI it's not the cable (if it works) and a high end cable isn't going to make a difference in the end result.
I have a nice CISCO gigabit switch on my home network. Thing that sucks is COX only goes to 150Mbs, on speed test I get 155Mbs on every jack in our house.
See because of this it wouldn't matter if you put some serious money and upgraded to fibre all around the house. It would make some insanely fast internal media network but wouldn't make any difference in your internet speed.
Oscilloscope always measures analog signal but lets leave it at that. On the other note I have some really high end CAT5 and CAT6 cable to sell as I suspect most of you are not getting the best internet experience possible with your cheap cable that came with the router (not to speak of WiFi). [/quote]
At work we use the basic white box cat5e, I hard wired my house with good CCI made in USA cat5e. One of my coworkers said I should have saved the $30 and just went with our stuff from work. I laid out two runs of 200' in the warehouse. the made in China white box cat5 made 112MBs and bounced between 105-112MBs. The same 25GB ISO using my better CCI cable held a solid 124MBs with no bounce. both cat5e same connectors same PC's. The better made more costly cable will have the proper twist and better copper to transmit your data.
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From what I have read (I have never experimented with it) quality of digital cables can play a role in long runs of cable. I think 200 feet would qualify as a longer run.
lsim705,lsim706c,fx500,rti4
rti6,csi5...no rears on system 2
Love me a "Speaker Speaker" cable debate, especially when it turns into an HDMI cable debate
Speaker, HDMI, COAX, RCA, SPDIF, XLR or network, it does not matter, you get what you pay for. Will the Monoprice/Fry's elcheap-O cables work? yes! but will you get the same performance? NO! Better quality cables DO make a difference. If you can't hear the cow bells time to get better cables.
I can hear the cow bells with Doug's cables.
I've always been able to hear the cowbells with any cable I ever used..., he he...
I find cable debates comical.
If you haven't tested yourself you should shut your mouth.
If you have then you have plenty to say.
On the other hand I say buy and use whatever you feel is right. If you feel spending good money on quality cables is useless then why would you?
Dan
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
I find cable debates comical.
If you haven't tested yourself you should shut your mouth.
If you have then you have plenty to say.
On the other hand I say buy and use whatever you feel is right. If you feel spending good money on quality cables is useless then why would you?
agree with that.
I don't have a lot of money so I cant buy the best. I use to have just the basic cable and have upgraded to what some might say is "good" HDMI and speaker cables. Yes I can tell the difference.
Now for my home network. I hardwired my house with "good" cat5e. I could have saved a few bucks and went with normal white box cable but I did not want to make that a bottle neck. I have Cox 150Mbs (18MBs) internet so going out of the house it makes no difference between white box and good cable. In our home there is a lot of network traffic. On any given Saturday evening the kids will be watching their Netflix and playing league. My wife and I will be streaming a movie off the NAS. sometimes we will have 3 different movies streaming off the NAS at the same time. DLNA is my best friend on weekend mornings. So yes it was advisable to use a better cable in my home network.
Funny all the times I played agent of fortune I never noticed it. Now when I am at a friends that have Bose junk cubes you cant hear the cow bell. on a decent system you can.
When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
Family Room:
Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
Main: Polk LsiM 705
Center: Polk LSiM 704C
Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
Surrounds: Polk S15
Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
Bed Room;
Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
Main: Polk Signature S20
Center: Polk Signature S35
Rear: Polk R15
Sub: HSU STF-2
Working Warehouse;
Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
Old sony 12" Sub
Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
I noticed you linked my thread. Although I didn't see anywhere in there where I typed the words "MIT is the be all end all, nothing is better." Only that I heard an improvement over home depot speaker wire.
What's your experience in; coat hangers and lamp cord? Unless you've experienced what different cables have to offer, you're opinions are meaningless rhetoric with nothing credible to base them upon. Zilch, nada, zero!
He's already stated that he's never tried anything in his own system. Only heard other peoples stereos and taken word from other anticable people. He takes others opinions on the matter and adopts them as his own instead of trying for himself.
I wouldn't dream of spending that sort of money on exotic interconnects nor support a vendor that sold such. I'm happy with what I have and would rather buy a another pair of nice speakers such as the Polk LSiM703's that I just did. Over the many years, I have heard systems of others with all sorts of different interconnects being used. I've listened and I've talked to trusted people and ex-sales people.
Is the thread titled "MIT is the be all end all, nothing is better"? No? Okay, did I say anywhere in the thread that "MIT is the be all end all, nothing is better"? No? What are you grasping at again?
I should have named the thread "Another cable matters believer". If I would have bought Audioquest it would have been named "Another Audioquest believer". If I would have bought Dougs cables it would have been named "Another Douglas Connection believer".
The thread title has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Which is, I have never said that there isn't anything better than MIT. Ever.
I think you're misinterpreting skips post. Where did anyone here say you have to spend $1k+ per speaker cable and IC to get good sound? He specifically said that he's not saying moving up the ladder in a brand doesn't get you better sound. He also isn't saying that Monoprice, zipcord, or coat hangers are good enough.
I think you're misinterpreting skips post. Where did anyone here say you have to spend $1k+ per speaker cable and IC to get good sound? He specifically said that he's not saying moving up the ladder in a brand doesn't get you better sound. He also isn't saying that Monoprice, zipcord, or coat hangers are good enough.
Maybe to you, but to others that is a drop in the bucket. That's real perspective.
$7000 is just a drop in the bucket from your leader. So which is it?
Just try to reconcile what F1 and DSkip has said.
I don't understand how you're getting that out of what he said. He didn't say that you need $7k cables for good sound. He only said that for some people that's a drop in the bucket. He's not even saying that it's a drop in the bucket to HIM, US, or any one person in particular.
I don't understand how you misinterpret so many statements.
F1Nut: The sky is blue.
xcapri79: See, he said that the sky is ALWAYS blue!
x-man: Stay out of cable threads and I think you have something to offer. If you think cables don't matter, fine, but leave it alone already. Do you really think that many of us here are just imaging improvement? Honestly, if you switched out my cables with something high end, I might not notice a difference because I honestly don't have great ears. BUT, if you put the budget Monoprice stuff back in my rig I would notice immediately.
Why is this so hard for you to believe?????
Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
Funny though, audio forums are for ALL things audio, not just SOME things audio. Cables are certainly a part of your gear and qualify as audio related.
Even MIT has inexpensive cables much better than your run of the mill stuff. Monster too....has expensive cabling, should we label them too high end ? Stop looking at the extremes, get the best your wallet will allow. Audio is played on many levels, to poo-poo anyone not on your level is plain stupidity.
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Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's
After reading through this thread, I started to think about...
Confirmation bias:
Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one's own beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, degrade, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs.
Yep....they look on the internet for articles that confirm their beliefs without ever trying anything for themselves.
HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's
Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look forwhat confirms one's own beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, degrade, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs.
Kevin says.....
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Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's
That is because people will tend to hear what they want to hear. .
Maybe so to a certain extent, but that's a pretty broad brush to paint with. Bias is in everything, from the car you drive, the clothes you wear, and the foods you like. Differences in bias are usually related to personal preferences and that is usually based on experience with x product.
Having a bias because of something you read on the internet or have zero experience with is totally different.
HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's
Having a bias because of something you read on the internet or have zero experience with is totally different.
And continuing to claim people have no experience just because they don't think like you do is ridiculous. Many who don't believe the cable myths do have experience, and used to buy expensive cables. Then we tried what you are afraid to do, we had an open mind and tested our beliefs.
You would think after decades of this "debate", there would be some evidence that proper cables really do sound different. And I'm not talking about measurements, but actually demonstrating the difference can be heard. You'd think some cable manufacturer, out of the hundreds that are out there would be all over it.
Having a bias because of something you read on the internet or have zero experience with is totally different.
And continuing to claim people have no experience just because they don't think like you do is ridiculous.
Never said that chief, that's your bias speaking right there. We always welcome opposing views.....when based on real world experience instead of a Roger Russell report.
Other thing is, when asked about exactly what experience is had with what gear and cables......we get crickets. So if ones belief is firmly planted in the nay sayer side of the cable debate, you'd think they'd list why they hold that belief. Instead....they toss up links to internet articles which then tells us they have no experience. Same routine over and over again.
So if your claim is such that it's all about bias, I agree.....but one side uses their own personal preferences as their bias based on actual use, while the other side creates their bias based on what they read. Not an apples to apples comparison, wouldn't you say ?
HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's
So if your claim is such that it's all about bias, I agree.....but one side uses their own personal preferences as their bias based on actual use, while the other side creates their bias based on what they read. Not an apples to apples comparison, wouldn't you say ?
Again, you claim one side has no experience. I say I have more experience than you, I've listened for differences in cables sighted and blind. You haven't.
As far as cables or gear, what's the point? Just so you can tell us it was the wrong cables, or wrong gear? Nonsense. I will tell you I got my first system handed down to me when I was 8. Bought my first new system at 12, and have been running separates since 1980 when I was 16. Is that enough experience? Not according to you. But if I started two years ago and agreed with everything you believe in...
Why not address the fact that your side still has no evidence? You've had decades to come up with something...anything. Talk about crickets.
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
And yet, you've never tried cables in the several hundred to thousand $ plus range, but act like you know all about them. Oh SNAP caught with your pants down again.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
And yet, you've never tried cables in the several hundred to thousand $ plus range, but act like you know all about them. Oh SNAP caught with your pants down again.
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Speaker, HDMI, COAX, RCA, SPDIF, XLR or network, it does not matter, you get what you pay for. Will the Monoprice/Fry's elcheap-O cables work? yes! but will you get the same performance? NO! Better quality cables DO make a difference. If you can't hear the cow bells time to get better cables.
Family Room:
Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
Main: Polk LsiM 705
Center: Polk LSiM 704C
Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
Surrounds: Polk S15
Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
Bed Room;
Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
Main: Polk Signature S20
Center: Polk Signature S35
Rear: Polk R15
Sub: HSU STF-2
Working Warehouse;
Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
Old sony 12" Sub
Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
Now put in a 10MB switch in the chain and see if the cable makes any practical difference.
I can hear the cow bells with Doug's cables.
Why would I want to do that? I have a nice CISCO gigabit switch on my home network. Thing that sucks is COX only goes to 150Mbs, on speed test I get 155Mbs on every jack in our house.
We made some crossover cables to show there is a difference in cables.
Family Room:
Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
Main: Polk LsiM 705
Center: Polk LSiM 704C
Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
Surrounds: Polk S15
Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
Bed Room;
Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
Main: Polk Signature S20
Center: Polk Signature S35
Rear: Polk R15
Sub: HSU STF-2
Working Warehouse;
Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
Old sony 12" Sub
Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
To demonstrate it's the weakest link in the chain that dominates. With HDMI it's not the cable (if it works) and a high end cable isn't going to make a difference in the end result.
See because of this it wouldn't matter if you put some serious money and upgraded to fibre all around the house. It would make some insanely fast internal media network but wouldn't make any difference in your internet speed.
At work we use the basic white box cat5e, I hard wired my house with good CCI made in USA cat5e. One of my coworkers said I should have saved the $30 and just went with our stuff from work. I laid out two runs of 200' in the warehouse. the made in China white box cat5 made 112MBs and bounced between 105-112MBs. The same 25GB ISO using my better CCI cable held a solid 124MBs with no bounce. both cat5e same connectors same PC's. The better made more costly cable will have the proper twist and better copper to transmit your data.
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From what I have read (I have never experimented with it) quality of digital cables can play a role in long runs of cable. I think 200 feet would qualify as a longer run.
rti6,csi5...no rears on system 2
rti6,csi5...no rears on system 2
I've always been able to hear the cowbells with any cable I ever used..., he he...
If you haven't tested yourself you should shut your mouth.
If you have then you have plenty to say.
On the other hand I say buy and use whatever you feel is right. If you feel spending good money on quality cables is useless then why would you?
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
agree with that.
I don't have a lot of money so I cant buy the best. I use to have just the basic cable and have upgraded to what some might say is "good" HDMI and speaker cables. Yes I can tell the difference.
Now for my home network. I hardwired my house with "good" cat5e. I could have saved a few bucks and went with normal white box cable but I did not want to make that a bottle neck. I have Cox 150Mbs (18MBs) internet so going out of the house it makes no difference between white box and good cable. In our home there is a lot of network traffic. On any given Saturday evening the kids will be watching their Netflix and playing league. My wife and I will be streaming a movie off the NAS. sometimes we will have 3 different movies streaming off the NAS at the same time. DLNA is my best friend on weekend mornings. So yes it was advisable to use a better cable in my home network.
As for more cow bell http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/classics/video/1119596
Funny all the times I played agent of fortune I never noticed it. Now when I am at a friends that have Bose junk cubes you cant hear the cow bell. on a decent system you can.
Family Room:
Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
Main: Polk LsiM 705
Center: Polk LSiM 704C
Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
Surrounds: Polk S15
Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
Bed Room;
Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
Main: Polk Signature S20
Center: Polk Signature S35
Rear: Polk R15
Sub: HSU STF-2
Working Warehouse;
Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
Old sony 12" Sub
Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
Village Idiot of Club Polk
He's already stated that he's never tried anything in his own system. Only heard other peoples stereos and taken word from other anticable people. He takes others opinions on the matter and adopts them as his own instead of trying for himself.
Village Idiot of Club Polk
Is the thread titled "MIT is the be all end all, nothing is better"? No? Okay, did I say anywhere in the thread that "MIT is the be all end all, nothing is better"? No? What are you grasping at again?
I should have named the thread "Another cable matters believer". If I would have bought Audioquest it would have been named "Another Audioquest believer". If I would have bought Dougs cables it would have been named "Another Douglas Connection believer".
The thread title has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Which is, I have never said that there isn't anything better than MIT. Ever.
Village Idiot of Club Polk
Village Idiot of Club Polk
Cool, thanks for clarifying that.
Village Idiot of Club Polk
Village Idiot of Club Polk
I don't understand how you're getting that out of what he said. He didn't say that you need $7k cables for good sound. He only said that for some people that's a drop in the bucket. He's not even saying that it's a drop in the bucket to HIM, US, or any one person in particular.
I don't understand how you misinterpret so many statements.
F1Nut: The sky is blue.
xcapri79: See, he said that the sky is ALWAYS blue!
How do you keep pulling me back in?
Village Idiot of Club Polk
Why is this so hard for you to believe?????
Funny though, audio forums are for ALL things audio, not just SOME things audio. Cables are certainly a part of your gear and qualify as audio related.
Even MIT has inexpensive cables much better than your run of the mill stuff. Monster too....has expensive cabling, should we label them too high end ? Stop looking at the extremes, get the best your wallet will allow. Audio is played on many levels, to poo-poo anyone not on your level is plain stupidity.
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's
Yep....they look on the internet for articles that confirm their beliefs without ever trying anything for themselves.
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's
Kevin says.....
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's
Maybe so to a certain extent, but that's a pretty broad brush to paint with. Bias is in everything, from the car you drive, the clothes you wear, and the foods you like. Differences in bias are usually related to personal preferences and that is usually based on experience with x product.
Having a bias because of something you read on the internet or have zero experience with is totally different.
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's
And continuing to claim people have no experience just because they don't think like you do is ridiculous. Many who don't believe the cable myths do have experience, and used to buy expensive cables. Then we tried what you are afraid to do, we had an open mind and tested our beliefs.
You would think after decades of this "debate", there would be some evidence that proper cables really do sound different. And I'm not talking about measurements, but actually demonstrating the difference can be heard. You'd think some cable manufacturer, out of the hundreds that are out there would be all over it.
Never said that chief, that's your bias speaking right there. We always welcome opposing views.....when based on real world experience instead of a Roger Russell report.
Other thing is, when asked about exactly what experience is had with what gear and cables......we get crickets. So if ones belief is firmly planted in the nay sayer side of the cable debate, you'd think they'd list why they hold that belief. Instead....they toss up links to internet articles which then tells us they have no experience. Same routine over and over again.
So if your claim is such that it's all about bias, I agree.....but one side uses their own personal preferences as their bias based on actual use, while the other side creates their bias based on what they read. Not an apples to apples comparison, wouldn't you say ?
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's
Again, you claim one side has no experience. I say I have more experience than you, I've listened for differences in cables sighted and blind. You haven't.
As far as cables or gear, what's the point? Just so you can tell us it was the wrong cables, or wrong gear? Nonsense. I will tell you I got my first system handed down to me when I was 8. Bought my first new system at 12, and have been running separates since 1980 when I was 16. Is that enough experience? Not according to you. But if I started two years ago and agreed with everything you believe in...
Why not address the fact that your side still has no evidence? You've had decades to come up with something...anything. Talk about crickets.
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk
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