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tonyb

WilliamM2 wrote: »

tonyb wrote: »

So if your claim is such that it's all about bias, I agree.....but one side uses their own personal preferences as their bias based on actual use, while the other side creates their bias based on what they read. Not an apples to apples comparison, wouldn't you say ?

Again, you claim one side has no experience. I say I have more experience than you, I've listened for differences in cables sighted and blind. You haven't.

Really ?? Have you ever asked me what cables I've heard ? Don't recall you have chief, so once again your blabbering out your you know what.

Yet when others have asked you, we get zilch.

But....since you want to be confrontational, and the subject matter has turned to biases, let me offer up an analogy.

A guy hears from his mechanic that Ford sucks. Maybe his aunts sister had a Ford and it sucked. He reads reviews on the internet and gets a mixed bag. His bias is they still suck. Had friends with a Ford Pinto way back when and they all sucked.

One day a buddy comes over with a new Ford and they take a road trip, maybe across state, go see a concert and this guy drives the car and likes it.

His bias is still that Ford sucks.....except for that particular model he drove. His bias about the brand is based on speculation from others, the model that doesn't suck is based on him actually driving the car, aka....experience behind the wheel.

You can't change biases unless you have hands on experience. If the new car the guy drove latter fell apart, then his biases are confirmed through personal experiences.


Now, since you claim you get crickets from me, even though I don't recall you ever asking the question, I'll humor you with an answer.

Monoprice, Bluejeans, Canare, Bogden, Monster, Mac, Kimber, Cardas, Acoustic Zen, MIT, Analysis plus, Grover more recently, Audioquest, Straightwire, Reality cables, Audio Metallurgy, JPS, Pangea, Black mountain, Poimia....think that's how you spell it, Cullen, Musical fidelity....back when they made cables, don't know if they still do, Douglas connection, Bens diy IC's, AR, Home depot cable, and I'm sure a few more I've forgotten along the way. Those are just some of the brands I've had hands on experience with, not to mention the others I've simply heard in others systems.

Granted, I've not heard every line from every brand mentioned. Difference is I admit that, you on the other hand can't seem to name anything or discuss the system it was used in.

You see Willy boy, nobody here cares if you think cables don't matter.....if it's based on something tangible. Not everyone is going to be able to hear differences or have a revealing enough system to expose those difference. If you tried x amount of cables and they don't matter to you, great....you'll save yourself some dough, and we would respect that opinion. However, because that's your experience doesn't mean it will be others, and the same goes for me or anyone else around here. Which in the end, it comes back to.....try for yourself and see.....which is all we encourage people to do.

If you can't understand all that, maybe you should take up gardening as a hobby. I hear the Rose Bush forum gets pretty lively.

WilliamM2

tonyb wrote: »

Now, since you claim you get crickets from me, even though I don't recall you ever asking the question, I'll humor you with an answer.

Apparently can't read either. You answered a question I never asked. Here, try to read a little slower this time:

Why not address the fact that your side still has no evidence? You've had decades to come up with something...anything. Talk about crickets.

tonyb

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Again, you claim one side has no experience. I say I have more experience than you, I've listened for differences in cables sighted and blind. You haven't.

Your gonna make this a struggle arentcha ? How do you know "I haven't".....unless you asked the question ? Which you have not.....

LOL.....Some people at least know when to stop digging a hole, others not so much.

afterburnt

but tonyb Fords do suck...

WilliamM2

tonyb wrote: »

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Again, you claim one side has no experience. I say I have more experience than you, I've listened for differences in cables sighted and blind. You haven't.

Your gonna make this a struggle arentcha ? How do you know "I haven't".....unless you asked the question ? Which you have not.....

LOL.....Some people at least know when to stop digging a hole, others not so much.

Because you still think you hear differences. You can stop digging now.

F1nut

Why not address the fact that your side still has no evidence? You've had decades to come up with something...anything. Talk about crickets.

Seriously!?! You must have missed all the folks here and elsewhere offering their personal experiences with cables. After all, there is no better evidence than that.

Let me ask you a question. How do you decide on what speakers, amps, CD players, etc. to buy?

WilliamM2

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Seriously!?! You must have missed all the folks here and elsewhere offering their personal experiences with cables. After all, there is no better evidence than that.

So I guess there's no better evidence than this:

http://www.mindbodyhomeopathichealth.com/page19.php

http://www.billgrayhomeopathy.com/testimonials/

Let me ask you a question. How do you decide on what speakers, amps, CD players, etc. to buy?

I look for the features I want, and then I listen. But speakers don't all sound the same, and Harmon (and others) have actually provided the evidence.

They have even demonstrated that better measuring speakers are preferred by most listeners when blind.

http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=5276

Polkie2009

I used to be someone who didn't much think cables would make a difference til I read more and more posts from people here who actually tried__ upgrading their speaker wires and finding out they did__ make a difference. I finally bought some MIT Terminator 2's speaker cables from a fellow CP member here and found they made a noticeable__improvement (especially in the bass) over the 16 gauge home depot wire I had been running to my mains, SDA/SRS'2.

Polkie2009

ken brydson wrote: »

F1nut wrote: »

And yet, you've never tried cables in the several hundred to thousand $ plus range, but act like you know all about them. Oh SNAP caught with your pants down again.

Ken, this pic is hilarious !

F1nut

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I look for the features I want, and then I listen. But speakers don't all sound the same, and Harmon (and others) have actually provided the evidence.

So, no specs or bench test results. Got it.

They have even demonstrated that better measuring speakers are preferred by most listeners when blind.

http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=5276

All I was able to read is the following;

Precision measurements on loudspeakers have been possible for some time now, and over the years, various views of their importance have developed as a result of accumulated experience and scientific investigation. A survey of the literature reveals areas of agreement and disagreement among workers. There is also evidence of geographic concentrations of loudspeaker designers and reviewers who appear to share attitudes toward specific measurements. Part 1 attempts to consolidate published opinion on loudspeaker measurements in preparation for Part 2, which presents the results of some current research on the subject.

In reference to the first part I put in bold. Do you think that the major cable companies don't do the same? In reference to the second part I put in bold. Yet their speakers all sound different? Got it.

I'm reminded of a designer who made a speaker with a ruler flat frequency response. After which proclaimed it sounded like ****.

gudnoyez

Polkie2009 wrote: »

I used to be someone who didn't much think cables would make a difference til I read more and more posts from people here who actually tried__ upgrading their speaker wires and finding out they did__ make a difference. I finally bought some MIT Terminator 2's speaker cables from a fellow CP member here and found they made a noticeable__improvement (especially in the bass) over the 16 gauge home depot wire I had been running to my mains, SDA/SRS'2.

Got my MIT Terminator 2s hooked up to the 2.3tls (Z edition) and the MIT Terminator 2 interconnects hooked up to my Marantz CDP. Some nice cables you got there Polkie2009.

No scientific research needed to tell the difference between the MIT's and the 14 guage Monoprice wires and stock interconnects I was running. The difference is night and day.

afterburnt

F1nut wrote: »

Why not address the fact that your side still has no evidence? You've had decades to come up with something...anything. Talk about crickets.

Seriously!?! You must have missed all the folks here and elsewhere offering their personal experiences with cables. After all, there is no better evidence than that.

Let me ask you a question. How do you decide on what speakers, amps, CD players, etc. to buy?

I dont know about him but I just ask you guys and then I get really confused %^)

Polkie2009

gudnoyez wrote: »

Polkie2009 wrote: »

I used to be someone who didn't much think cables would make a difference til I read more and more posts from people here who actually tried__ upgrading their speaker wires and finding out they did__ make a difference. I finally bought some MIT Terminator 2's speaker cables from a fellow CP member here and found they made a noticeable__improvement (especially in the bass) over the 16 gauge home depot wire I had been running to my mains, SDA/SRS'2.

Got my MIT Terminator 2s hooked up to the 2.3tls (Z edition) and the MIT Terminator 2 interconnects hooked up to my Marantz CDP. Some nice cables you got there Polkie2009.

No scientific research needed to tell the difference between the MIT's and the 14 guage Monoprice wires and stock interconnects I was running. The difference is night and day.

+1000 Steve! Got mine from a fellow awesome CP member Grimmace!

WilliamM2

ZLTFUL wrote: »

You're using homeopathy to support your argument? Does your brain even exist in the real world?
You mock people about the placebo effect and then you argue it using homeopathy which is ALL about placebo.

So you missed the point completely. Not surprised. Homeopathy has no evidence, only anecdotal claims. Just like cables. I don't believe in homeopathy either. Are you really this stupid?

So as you are so fond of saying, just STFU.

WilliamM2

F1nut wrote: »

I'm reminded of a designer who made a speaker with a ruler flat frequency response. After which proclaimed it sounded like ****.

I've seen this claim many times. Any link to this mythical "ruler flat" response speaker? Or is it just more made up claims from the MIT shill?

gudnoyez

[/quote] +1000 Steve! Got mine from a fellow awesome CP member Grimmace!

Got my cables from Mr George Daniels off the FM, the interconnects I found on E-Bay

F1nut

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I've seen this claim many times. Any link to this mythical "ruler flat" response speaker?

Feel free to do a search, it's one thing you're actually good at.

Or is it just more made up claims from the MIT shill?

So, you're saying that all the guys that reviewed MIT cables here were a shill? Got it.

WilliamM2

F1nut wrote: »

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I've seen this claim many times. Any link to this mythical "ruler flat" response speaker?

Feel free to do a search, it's one thing you're actually good at.

Or is it just more made up claims from the MIT shill?

So, you're saying that all the guys that reviewed MIT cables here were a shill? Got it.

So you did just make it up. Got it.

F1nut

You should know by now that I don't kowtow to requests.

It is odd that you would even challenge that statement as by your own link it is obvious there is no mention of a preference for a ruler flat response because if there was I know you would have mentioned it.

WilliamM2

I've never heard of a speaker that had a ruler flat frequency response in a listening room. But hey, it's your story.