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Huck344

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

On the actual speech today...

People are saying he seemed kind of robotic and didn't seem sincere. Most attribute that to the fact the his speech was written ahead of time and that he seemed robotic. I'd point out a couple things:

1 - Regardless of what you think of his actions, no one in their sanity would deny the difficulty of what he had to do today. Did he deserve it, sure. But you can't argue how difficult it must be to have to get up in front of the world and say those things - I know I'd be a nervous wreck!
2 - The speech was 14 freaking minutes long, no way you're going to get up there and wing that, you're just going to miss too many things.
3 - Historically, he's not a very good public speaker at all. He's able to communicate ok in a Q&A type session, but anytime he's had to stand up and give a speech, he hasn't done a great job, case in point being the Obama inauguration.

Take these 3 things combined, and you get two results - a written speech and someone who doesn't do a great job in delivering it.

What you have to do in a situation like this is look at the body language and facial expressions. Think about his general demeanor earlier, this isn't a Tiger Woods you've ever seen before - he was noticeably uncomfortable and, while he didn't start crying, he looked genuinely upset.

If you take all that into account and listen to the actual message, I think it's pretty clear that we got a heart-felt apology.

As for the "he's only sorry because he got caught" comments, well Hello Captain Obvious! Of course! You're typically not going to be sorry until your world comes crashing down, because it's only then that you're forced to look at yourself and your actions. It's almost always only out of necessity that you're forced to take a step back and look at things, and it's only then you realize how much of a **** you've been and naturally, if you're a decent guy, you probably feel bad about it.

Couldn't agree with you more!!!

Demiurge

unc2701 wrote: »

Ah, I see. So it's not that you are a ****, but you choose to be a ****. Sort of a nature/nurture thing. Duly noted.

And I'm off. It's a workday, I've got work to do, so I'll be getting back to stimulatin' the economy.

Hope everything is ok over there. You seem to have a lot more time on your hands lately.

Whatever makes you feel better, princess.

dorokusai

Demi open hand slapped my wife across the face after I introduced them. She became very upset but I just told her, that's David just being David baby....lighten up.

Demiurge

It's customary.

Knucklehead

Wether it was a genuine apology or not, we are talking about a grown man that surely knows the difference between right and wrong. It was wrong for him to be hittin everything with 2 holes and a heartbeat.:eek:

AsSiMiLaTeD

Knucklehead wrote: »

Wether it was a genuine apology or not, we are talking about a grown man that surely knows the difference between right and wrong. It was wrong for him to be hittin everything with 2 holes and a heartbeat.:eek:

of course what he did was wrong, I haven't seen anyone yet who's disputing that point of view.

NJPOLKER

I am going to go get laid.

Jstas

Holy...


...people, if you want Demi to stop beating you down, try not committing fallacies and passing them off as valid arguments.

Here, some reference material that might help you out:

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html



For the record, Tiger was wrong and the whole thing stinks to high heaven and I just don't care about any of it.


Any word on the divorce yet? 'Cause I'll gladly overlook the crotch fruit for a chance at a Scandinavian supermodel with a 9 figure bank account.

Huck344

Jstas wrote: »

Any word on the divorce yet? 'Cause I'll gladly overlook the crotch fruit for a chance at a Scandinavian supermodel with a 9 figure bank account.

Crotch Fruit??? I don't think I've ever heard that one before. . . Hilarious!

Polkersince85

I'd be willing to bet that CBS is licking their chops in hopes that Tiger will play in the Masters here in a little over a month from now. Everybody in the world of golf will tune in. Ratings would go through the roof.

The Masters would be the place to come back into tournament play because of the controlled environment and limited access to the players by the press. We'll have to wait and see.

hearingimpared

I just watched his entire apology and I have to say he hit all the points and maned up. He's gone so far as to say he his going to continue therapy and he went even further asking for others to him. Ya can't ask more from a guy than that.

I'd say he's done a good job of admitting his mistakes, taking full responsibility, trying to protect his family and doing something about the mistakes. As far as I'm concerned as long as his wife forgives him and it has no lasting effect on his children, he should be left alone to pick up the pieces and move on with his life. I look forward to him returning to golf and hope his "transgressions" and hullabaloo don't interfere with his game.

shack

Anybody that thinks that "apology" wasn't scripted down to the pauses and glances to the crowd needs to think again. I bet it was rehersed many times until he had just the right amount of remorse and the right amount of indignation when talking about his wife attacking him. That is what his well compensated team of PR people do. They already know when his next "talk" will be. I'm guessing it will be a one on one interview (think Bob Costas and Mark McGuire) where he can answer "all the questions" (pre-screened of course). It is all a well planned show...the best money can create.

Roy Munson

Originally posted by Demiurge If you were married, would you think it's no big deal to cheat on your wife? Do you think your wife would think it's a big deal if you screwed a bunch of random chicks?

Instead of being a horses **** you could just answer the question with "no, Demi, that would be a big deal," or "no, Demi, it's not a big deal."

It's a real shame that you have such a need to call me names and it's quite obvious you have a problem with reading comprehension. I said several times that what Woods did was wrong! You kept trying to equate infidelity with murder and banging someones wife. lmao Neither of which is Woods accused. You said some cockamamy thing in post # 41 like "If Tiger Woods were a murderer instead of a "sex addict" that cheats on his wife would you still watch him whack a golf ball around without a second thought?" Just what the hell does that have to do with Tiger cheating on his wife? Answer=NOTHING! OK sooo, it's clear you think that murder and infidelity are equal in the sin department.lol When I pointed out the absurdity of your position you got all puffed up and called me a jackass! This is the response of someone that can't debate a point.

Originally posted by Mr.Fantasy Tiger cheated on his wife multiples times. That's not speculation, it's a fact. You're saying it's no big deal.

MR. Fantasy, I never said that or anything like it! You just made it up or it's your lack of comprehension skills rearing it's head. You really should consider working on that. lol

The speculation was in reference to the murder and banging someones wife thing you tried to pass off as an analogy to infidelity! Get it yet?

Could you point out were I said Tiger's cheating on his wife was no big deal?

I didn't think so.

Originally Posted by Roy Munson
Using your line of reasoning I could ask what if Tiger ran over and killed your cat when he hurriedly back out of his driveway? What if he shot some guy in the face? The fact is that didn't happen just like he didn't kill anyone.

DEMI replied:

What are you talking about?

LMAO!

You know it's become quite apparent to me that some people on this board just can't handle discussing a topic without calling others names when they are called out for the ridiculous statements they make. It's happened to me twice in the last week. Both times I was called either an **** or a jackass because I voiced my opinion. Let this be a warning to anyone that you better be careful about having a different opinion least you be called a name by some doofus that has an axe to grind.

Amherst

shack wrote: »

It is all a well planned show...the best money can create.

^^^+1 Absolutely without a doubt, and is a regular happening.


I just wish people would expend as much care and moral concern about the rape and pillage of the american public of their pocketbooks.

As I see it:
On a scale of 1(bad) to 10(horrible), tigger=3 Corporate rape and pillage=8.
A score of three equatable to a crack head busting a car window for the money in a console.
A score of eight being just below the acts of torture and murder.

Demiurge

Roy Munson wrote: »

It's a real shame that you have such a need to call me names and it's quite obvious you have a problem with reading comprehension. I said several times that what Woods did was wrong! You kept trying to equate infidelity with murder and banging someones wife. lmao Neither of which is Woods accused. You said some cockamamy thing in post # 41 like "If Tiger Woods were a murderer instead of a "sex addict" that cheats on his wife would you still watch him whack a golf ball around without a second thought?" Just what the hell does that have to do with Tiger cheating on his wife? Answer=NOTHING! OK sooo, it's clear you think that murder and infidelity are equal in the sin department.lol When I pointed out the absurdity of your position you got all puffed up and called me a jackass! This is the response of someone that can't debate a point.

I asked whether you're being a jackass on purpose or if you're just a dullard. The more you reply, the more it seems to be the latter.

I also never equated what Tiger did to murder. Someone stated that Tiger Woods is just a golfer and that what he does in his personal life doesn't matter to them. They can hold that opinion, but I disagreed with it and used an extreme example to drive home a point. It was quite effective, too, but being as you're running at about 20 watts upstairs it went way over your head.

Some things are a big deal no matter who is doing it, and that includes Tiger Woods.

Roy Munson wrote: »

MR. Fantasy, I never said that or anything like it! You just made it up or it's your lack of comprehension skills rearing it's head. You really should consider working on that. lol

The speculation was in reference to the murder and banging someones wife thing you tried to pass off as an analogy to infidelity! Get it yet?

Could you point out were I said Tiger's cheating on his wife was no big deal?

I didn't think so.

I don't know what the hell you think (and trust me I don't care). You're all over the place and butting into conversations people are having with others.

I was responding to Amherst, who didn't think it was a big deal:



Then you butted into the conversation I was having with him talking about how you don't have a wife:



....and once again, you TOTALLY miss the point.

Perhaps you're the one with the reading comprehension problem.

Roy Munson wrote: »

You know it's become quite apparent to me that some people on this board just can't handle discussing a topic without calling others names when they are called out for the ridiculous statements they make. It's happened to me twice in the last week. Both times I was called either an **** or a jackass because I voiced my opinion. Let this be a warning to anyone that you better be careful about having a different opinion least you be called a name by some doofus that has an axe to grind.

Brilliant point. Ending a rant about name calling by doing it yourself calling people doofuses...lol

Moron.

cfrizz

Tiger Woods is a dog who has 0 respect for women or the vows he took when he got married.

What makes this an outrage is that NO ONE put a gun to his head & forced him to marry. If he wasn't married, no one would give a crap about any of this.

If you want to be a dog, then stay SINGLE. If you can't be a person who is cable of keeping your word, than don't make promises that you know you aren't going to keep.

You better believe that this WILL eventually have an impact on his kids. As they get older & start going to school, as soon as other kids know who they are they WILL be teased & harassed about this mess because that's what kids do.

For those of you who don't think this is a big deal, my first paragraph also applies to you. I hope you are smart enough never to get married!

hearingimpared

shack wrote: »

Anybody that thinks that "apology" wasn't scripted down to the pauses and glances to the crowd needs to think again. I bet it was rehersed many times until he had just the right amount of remorse and the right amount of indignation when talking about his wife attacking him. That is what his well compensated team of PR people do. They already know when his next "talk" will be. I'm guessing it will be a one on one interview (think Bob Costas and Mark McGuire) where he can answer "all the questions" (pre-screened of course). It is all a well planned show...the best money can create.

I thought he did a good job of taking reponsibility and doing something about it NOW unlike McGuire and serveral politicians who do the blame game and make excuses and wait until the uproar dies down before even addressing a possible apology. I didn't hear any excuses from Tiger. I think his indignation about "stories" being made up about domestic violence occuring in his home was justified. Also, it looked like he was sucking back emotion and tears. I didn't take that as contemplated or rehearsed. Even it is was rehearsed I don't see any problem with that as I would not want to go in front of the world, cold, to humble myself and admit to the wrongs and pain he caused his friends, family, fans and kids. I believe he was sincere and if it took him a few rehearsals to make his sincerity believable then so be it.

Don't get me wrong, I was never a Tiger fan and definitely think was he did was despicable but at least he immediately sought therapy and help and when he thought he was ready, which is a relatively short period of time since the Thanksgiving incident, he did the right thing and hit the right points.

I just think he should be forgiven and allowed to prove himself again by doing what he said he was going to do.

Roy Munson

Incoherent response by Mr. Fantasy

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I didn't miss the point!

You tried several times to equate infidelity with murder and "banging" someones wife! lmao

Like I said before, when I called you out on the absurdity of your statement you got defensive and called me a name because you looked like an idiot..wasn't my fault you can't get it. lol

I also never equated what Tiger did to murder. Someone stated that Tiger Woods is just a golfer and that what he does in his personal life doesn't matter to them. They can hold that opinion, but I disagreed with it and used an extreme example to drive home a point.

EXTREME EXAMPLE

An idiots example is more like it. lolol

At this point I don't care what you think or say.

Originally posted by Mr. Fantasy Moron.

GFY

Flame away doooooofus! lmao

shack

hearingimpared wrote:

I thought he did a good job of taking reponsibility and doing something about it NOW unlike McGuire and serveral politicians who do the blame game and make excuses and wait until the uproar dies down before even addressing a possible apology. I didn't hear any excuses from Tiger. I think his indignation about "stories" being made up about domestic violence occuring in his home was justified. Also, it looked like he was sucking back emotion and tears. I didn't take that as contemplated or rehearsed. Even it is was rehearsed I don't see any problem with that as I would not want to go in front of the world, cold, to humble myself and admit to the wrongs and pain he caused his friends, family, fans and kids. I believe he was sincere and if it took him a few rehearsals to make his sincerity believable then so be it.

My only reference to McGuire was to point out what the next part of the script will be. I don't believe there is any way Woods' handlers will let him loose in front of a whole group of reporters to fire questions at him at will. He will answer "the questions" in a controlled environment at a time, place and by someone of their choosing. He may very well be remorseful...just as anyone who gets caught doing something that harms both themselves and their loved ones is remorseful. He said the all right things...because all the right things were carefully scripted and written for him. And I don't doubt that he believes what he said...just that he didn't originate them. THAT is what I believe to be the case.

hearingimpared

cfrizz wrote: »

Tiger Woods is a dog who has 0 respect for women or the vows he took when he got married.

What makes this an outrage is that NO ONE put a gun to his head & forced him to marry. If he wasn't married, no one would give a crap about any of this.

If you want to be a dog, then stay SINGLE. If you can't be a person who is cable of keeping your word, than don't make promises that you know you aren't going to keep.

You better believe that this WILL eventually have an impact on his kids. As they get older & start going to school, as soon as other kids know who they are they WILL be teased & harassed about this mess because that's what kids do.

For those of you who don't think this is a big deal, my first paragraph also applies to you. I hope you are smart enough never to get married!

Cathy I've done many, many things in my youth, that went against my parents moral teachings that I am ashamed of. I was a real hedonist in every sense of the word, After years of doing this and finding that it doesn't work, I did something about it and took a good look at myself and went about the grueling task of changing my ways. Would you hold all those past transgretions against me now?

All I'm saying is the guy has made the effort to change and has made a public promise to continue what is necessary to facilitate that change. I think he, being human just like you and me, should be given a second shot.

I know I've been given a second shot and have taken advantage of it, but of course stumbling along the way, to make myself a better and unselfish person.

hearingimpared

shack wrote: »

My only reference to McGuire was to point out what the next part of the script will be. I don't believe there is any way Woods' handlers will let him loose in front of a whole group of reporters to fire questions at him at will. He will answer "the questions" in a controlled environment at a time, place and by someone of their choosing. He may very well be remorseful...just as anyone who gets caught doing something that harms both themselves and their loved ones is remorseful. He said the all right things...because all the right things were carefully scripted and written for him. And I don't doubt that he believes what he said...just that he didn't originate them. THAT is what I believe to be the case.

Point well taken!:) I would like to add, we shall see by his future behavior.

cfrizz

hearingimpared wrote: »

Cathy I've done many, many things in my youth, that went against my parents moral teachings that I am ashamed of. I was a real hedonist in every sense of the word, After years of doing this and finding that it doesn't work, I did something about it and took a good look at myself and went about the grueling task of changing my ways. Would you hold all those past transgretions against me now?

All I'm saying is the guy has made the effort to change and has made a public promise to continue what is necessary to facilitate that change. I think he, being human just like you and me, should be given a second shot.

I know I've been given a second shot and have taken advantage of it, but of course stumbling along the way, to make myself a better and unselfish person.

No Joe I wouldn't hold your past transgressions against you.

I'm taking a wait & see attitude with Tiger, but quite frankly I'm not the least bit hopeful that this mess will actually change his behavior. Most people are incapable of changing their core beliefs & behaviors, and this is something that is in the very core of Tiger. Now that it has been exposed, he will simply try to bury it deeper from public view, but it won't change.

But since I'm not the one stuck with him, I really don't care. Now that the ENTIRE world knows how he is, any woman that is stupid enough to involve herself with him will deserve whatever she gets!

DarqueKnight

cfrizz wrote: »

If you want to be a dog, then stay SINGLE. If you can't be a person who is cable of keeping your word, than don't make promises that you know you aren't going to keep.

I don't know why so many people are getting worked up about this. Tiger's sham marriage is just image enhancement to make him attractive to blue chip companies. Athletes, entertainers and politicians enter these types of "arrangements" quite often. You have to remember that "royalty" plays by different rules.;)

Tiger needed that goody-two-shoes family man image to rake in the big corporate endorsement bucks. Really, outside of a company selling ****, sex toys or condoms, what company would want a swingin' bachelor playboy man-**** endorsing their product?

I think a lot of people are mad at Tiger not because of his infidelity, but because they got taken in by Tiger's goody-two-shoes game.

cfrizz wrote: »

You better believe that this WILL eventually have an impact on his kids. As they get older & start going to school, as soon as other kids know who they are they WILL be teased & harassed about this mess because that's what kids do.

I seriously doubt that Tiger's little prince and princess will be subject to the type of vicious taunting that kids of modest means would have to endure. Those cubs will most likely be home schooled by highly paid professional tutors. Like I said, "royalty" plays by different rules.

cfrizz wrote: »

But since I'm not the one stuck with him, I really don't care. Now that the ENTIRE world knows how he is, any woman that is stupid enough to involve herself with him will deserve whatever she gets!

Hey now....don't be so hasty and harsh. I don't know that these women are so stupid. Consider all the lucrative economic opportunities (and 16 minutes of fame) Tiger has provided to:

1. Nannies.
2. Cocktail waitresses.
3. Pancake house waitresses.
4. **** actresses.
5. Nightclub hostesses.

and

6. A host of unknown assorted gold-digging opportunists.:p

On a serious note, I'm glad that Tiger got a wake up call before he became the next celebrity HIV/AIDS statistic. I hope he will take this "opportunity" to get himself under control.

Fongolio

He should have blubbered and balled his eyes out like Jerry Falwell did. At least that was entertaining. I'm with Cathy on this. The man's a dog with no respect for women. He is also an addict (sex). And as with any addiction the road to recovery is very long indeed. He will not be "cured" until he gets to the root of the addiction. He has taken a very large step by at least on paper (literally) taking responsibility fro all his actions. As an addict myself (drugs but 21 years clean last September) I am guessing that at this stage he probably believes what he said on the surface. Does he have regrets? Sure he does. That he got caught. At this stage he can't really comprehend the trail of wreckage he's left behind and truly feel compassion for those he's hurt. Tiger got hurt. He got caught with his pants down and the whole world saw it. He's probably feeling some shame but it will be a long time (if ever) until he fully understands just how much hurt he's caused.

That said I wish him well and hope for his continued recovery. Acknowledgment of the problem and those it's hurt is a very good first step. Just saying the words even if he doesn't fully mean them yet is an excellent start. Would I let my sister date him right now? Not a chance. Just like leaving a crack head clean two months alone in a room with some dope and pipe. Not a good idea.

Good luck and best wishes on your recovery Tiger.

hearingimpared

Fongolio wrote: »

He should have blubbered and balled his eyes out like Jerry Falwell did. At least that was entertaining. I'm with Cathy on this. The man's a dog with no respect for women. He is also an addict (sex). And as with any addiction the road to recovery is very long indeed. He will not be "cured" until he gets to the root of the addiction. He has taken a very large step by at least on paper (literally) taking responsibility fro all his actions. As an addict myself (drugs but 21 years clean last September) I am guessing that at this stage he probably believes what he said on the surface. Does he have regrets? Sure he does. That he got caught. At this stage he can't really comprehend the trail of wreckage he's left behind and truly feel compassion for those he's hurt. Tiger got hurt. He got caught with his pants down and the whole world saw it. He's probably feeling some shame but it will be a long time (if ever) until he fully understands just how much hurt he's caused.

That said I wish him well and hope for his continued recovery. Acknowledgment of the problem and those it's hurt is a very good first step. Just saying the words even if he doesn't fully mean them yet is an excellent start. Would I let my sister date him right now? Not a chance. Just like leaving a crack head clean two months alone in a room with some dope and pipe. Not a good idea.

Good luck and best wishes on your recovery Tiger.

Except for the blubbering part I found this to be an excellent post.

DarqueKnight

Fongolio wrote: »

He should have blubbered and balled his eyes out like Jerry Falwell did. At least that was entertaining.

I don't recall Jerry Falwell falling from grace. Did you mean Jimmy Swaggert? I know it's sometimes hard to distinguish between televangelists. Swaggert was crying his eyes out after he got caught with prostitutes on two different occasions in two different states. One of the prostitutes said Swaggert offered her money to have sex with her 9 year old daughter (she declined the offer). All this was during the time he was railing so forcefully against America's sexual immorality.

Swaggert's televangelical empire quickly crumbled after the scandal and it limps on today as a mere shadow of its former self. Brother Swaggert keeps a low profile these days.

hearingimpared

DarqueKnight wrote: »

I don't recall Jerry Falwell falling from grace. Did you mean Jimmy Swaggert? I know it's sometimes hard to distinguish between televangelists. Swaggert was crying his eyes out after he got caught with prostitutes on two different occasions in two different states. One of the prostitutes said Swaggert offered her money to have sex with her 9 year old daughter (she declined the offer). All this was during the time he was railing so forcefully against America's sexual immorality.

Swaggert's televangelical empire quickly crumbled after the scandal and it limps on today as a mere shadow of its former self. Brother Swaggert keeps a low profile these days.

He was also doing meth during his disgraceful escapades. He's the kind that fuels the angst and mockery againt Christians. He more than Tiger deserves what he gets. He just didn't just hurt his family and friends like Tiger did, he hurt the whole of Christianity that had nothing to do with him.

comfortablycurt

Tiger Wood's is my hero.

Fongolio

DarqueKnight wrote: »

I don't recall Jerry Falwell falling from grace. Did you mean Jimmy Swaggert?

Of course I meant Swaggert. My apologies to Mr. Falwell and all his followers.

hearingimpared

Fongolio wrote: »

Of course I meant Swaggert. My apologies to Mr. Falwell and all his followers.

He passed away almost three years ago.