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I watched the press conference. Was it contrived? Yes. But, how exactly can you stage something like that and have it not look contrived. I'm sure among all of us, there is someone who has cheated and been caught. The difference is, whomever did cheat, did not have to make an apology to the whole world. Maybe just your wife and kids, if at all.
I am by no means justifying what he did, but give the guy a break. He had more temptation thrown at him than any of us could even imagine. Can all of you look in the mirror and honestly say that you would have rejected it EVERY single time? Put yourself in his shoes. You are rich, famous and since you were 5 have been told that you are above the rules. How would you react? I would like to think that I would never do that if I were in that same position. . . But who knows. Maybe he does have a sex addition. Judging by the women he was with, he definitely seemed to favor "quantity" over "quality"!
I always put myself in the other guys shoes before coming to a conclusion on things and this was no exception. I know two things:
1.) I have no idea how I would react in that situation.
2.) After being in that situation, I wouldn't get married and have two children with her if I had a hard time keeping my **** out of other women.
I can say that I have never cheated on anyone, but those are my own personal standards I hold myself to. I would hope that if I ever did screw up that the people that mattered most to me would be able to forgive me in time.
Cut him a break? What, from posting messages on the internet criticizing him for his piss poor behavior? Poor Tiger, how will he ever get by?
I wish him well, but he's an idiot. For the sake of his kids and his wife I hope he gets it turned around. If he manage to salvage his career too, good for him. -
I think the focus of all this media could be directed at a more useful place like Wall Street. These guys are **** everybody
Yeaaa, Here's someone with true moral ground!!! What about those ****.
Couldn't give a shat less what tigger does with his johnson or his wife. He has to live with those decisions. What he does on the coarse is really where it matters. As has been stated already sports as an entertainment industry is full of his type and always has been.
Now how about some real morals where it really counts, such as wall street as an example? They believe they should own everything myself and my ancestors have ever worked for. Where's the clinic located for their desire of money?
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I wish him well, but he's an idiot. For the sake of his kids and his wife I hope he gets it turned around. If he manage to salvage his career too, good for him.
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Roy Munson wrote: »Therefore a sex addict has a psychological addiction rather than a chemical one. The question remains..is a psychological addiction a disease?hearingimpared wrote: »I believe the AMA considers all types of addiction a disease. Again the substance abuse is just a sympton of the disease or deeper mental problem which BTW could be caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain chemistry.
Keep in mind Roy that the AMA has a certain criteria to met by an illness or disorder in order to categorize it as a disease. In the medical books I have access to, addiction falls into this category. My personal belief is that if a particular addiction is not lethal then it falls into the category of disorder and I am by no means a medical professional. Either way it can be helped medically and/or by psychiatric therapy if one is willing to take the steps necessary to reel in the problem. -
I prefer to not "doctor" up the words.....he's a man **** plain and simple. For everything that he has won...he's a loser.Polk Audio Surround Bar 360
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So what you're saying is no matter what the transgression is they are all exactly the same according to your set of moray's?
Not even close. I don't know how you could possibly glean that from anything I have said in this thread.Swearing, drinking, embezzeling, cheating on a spouse, punching someone, stabbing someone (not causing death), killing someone, killing several people.....to you they are all the same and you hold youself to a higher standard than anyone else and never make a mistake.
No. Poor assumption on your part. It was tommyboy who said Tiger is just a golfer and that what he does off the course is his private life. That, in my opinion, is ****.I don't personally agree with cheating on a spouse and if Tiger was a good friend I'd have to re-evaluate my friendship because his actions directly affect my life.
I would agree if I was only friends with him. If I was friends with both of them I would likely feel obligated to support the victims, which in this case are his wife and kids.In Tiger's case, I could care less what he does, and to whom he does it in the realm of sexual conduct between consenting adults. I'm not here to judge him and I'm not hear to judge you.
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If he wasn't married with children I wouldn't really care either.
If someone stiffs you in the flea market would you judge them? I would. I'd probably never buy from them again. That's making the judgment that said person is not worth buying from because they can't be trusted. Stop being so afraid of the word.
Judgment, judgment, judgment....ooooh!
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If he wasn't married, it would be a totally different story and he would still be everyone's hero. That is what I think his big mistake was. Anyone look differently at Magic Johnson or any of the other superstars of sports that had women throwing themselves at them? Hell, even Arnold the governator fits this group, he just wasn't married at the time.
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pmckeealaska wrote: »Though I know I'm at odds with the AMA, I think the whole idea of alcoholism and drug addiction as diseases is a bunch of crap. I think nowadays, everyone wants to look for an excuse to absolve themselves of responsibility. Drinking and drugging takes active participation. Sex addiction is an even bigger joke...again, a term designed to excuse poor behavior.hearingimpared wrote: »Keep in mind Roy that the AMA has a certain criteria to met by an illness or disorder in order to categorize it as a disease. In the medical books I have access to, addiction falls into this category. My personal belief is that if a particular addiction is not lethal then it falls into the category of disorder and I am by no means a medical professional. Either way it can be helped medically and/or by psychiatric therapy if one is willing to take the steps necessary to reel in the problem.
The AMA has deemed alcoholism and drug addiction as a disease since the 1930's. All the other addictions that have popped up or recognized over the years fall under that category. All addiction stem from some type of mental disorder. Some are biologically inclined to be affected more and in different ways with the use of drugs or alcohol than most people in the world. It is a fact that drug & alcohol abuse over a period of time is lethal as well as causing all kinds of physical problems. Knowing that you would think the addict could make a rational decision to stop, but they can't . . . not won't, can't. They need to be separated from the substance and given therapy to address the underlying issue and get the proper psychological tools necessary to avoid the reintroduction of the substance in their systems.
As I said before the drugs and alcohol abuse is just a symptom of a deeper issue wheter it be a chemical imbalance in their brain or they have a biological propensity to be more sensitive to the effect of the drug. -
2.) After being in that situation, I wouldn't get married and have two children with her if I had a hard time keeping my **** out of other women.
I couldn't agree more.Cut him a break? What, from posting messages on the internet criticizing him for his piss poor behavior? Poor Tiger, how will he ever get by?
What I meant by my comment, is that it is so easy for all of us to judge the guy without having been there. I don't feel sorry for the guy. Hell, he's got a billion dollars in the bank. -
Knucklehead wrote: »Its not what youve done.......it's what you do next.
+1 to that.
Sure - everyone screws up - some more than others, but if you are not sincere, man up and admit YOU are the one responsible for your screw ups (not 'blaming' an addiction, condition, the other guy/gal), and really WANT to change - then your words are empty and devoid of meaning - your mouth is moving but there will be no connection to what you say and what feel in your heart. And if your heart is empty - then I got better things to do than listen to the noise coming from your mouth.
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What I meant by my comment, is that it is so easy for all of us to judge the guy without having been there. I don't feel sorry for the guy. Hell, he's got a billion dollars in the bank.
It's easy because what he did was wrong! Understanding how he could do what he did doesn't make his poor choice acceptable (at least not to me). He isn't the only rich guy and not all rich guys cheat on their spouses.
Speaking for myself, I'm judging him for cheating on his wife and for whatever effect his actions have on his kids.
Nobody is perfect, but we're treating infidelity like speeding, which to me, is a sad commentary. That said, he didn't kill anyone. If he plays his cards right, time should heal these wounds. -
It's easy because what he did was wrong! Understanding how he could do what he did doesn't make his poor choice acceptable (at least not to me). He isn't the only rich guy and not all rich guys cheat on their spouses.
Speaking for myself, I'm judging him for cheating on his wife and for whatever effect his actions have on his kids.
Nobody is perfect, but we're treating infidelity like speeding, which to me, is a sad commentary. That said, he didn't kill anyone. If he plays his cards right, time should heal these wounds.
Funny thing is that adultery is still illegal in many states on their books but it is not enforced just like the "Blue Laws" are ignored. -
Nobody is perfect, but we're treating infidelity like speeding, which to me, is a sad commentary.
Infidelity within the entertainment industry IS as common as a speeding ticket.
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Infidelity within the entertainment industry IS as common as a speeding ticket.
No kidding. You think that's cool?What's new or what's the big deal?
Nothing new, the big deal is it's wrong.
Would you be cool with Tiger banging your wife? Maybe you'd let your friends take a spin. No big deal, right? It's just a little sex. -
Agreed it's wrong.
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Originally posted by hearingimpared Keep in mind Roy that the AMA has a certain criteria to met by an illness or disorder in order to categorize it as a disease. In the medical books I have access to, addiction falls into this category. My personal belief is that if a particular addiction is not lethal then it falls into the category of disorder and I am by no means a medical professional. Either way it can be helped medically and/or by psychiatric therapy if one is willing to take the steps necessary to reel in the problem.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Most people tend to associate the word "disease" with an illness that one catches, in other words a "communicable disease" or something that can go from one person to another. People tend to view things like gambling addiction, video game addiction and sex addiction as a condition rather than a disease. A psychological addiction is just as real as a chemical one, it's just that some have trouble coming to terms with it.
For me I just don't get the level of hatred directed at Woods, sure what he did was wrong but hating him and comparing what he did with murder, wishing all sorts of bad **** to happen to him because of his infidelities just strikes me as odd..besides one should never hate, one can however dislike intensely!2 Channel:
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Roy Munson wrote: »I think you hit the nail on the head. Most people tend to associate the word "disease" with an illness that one catches, in other words a "communicable disease" or something that can go from one person to another. People tend to view things like gambling addiction, video game addiction and sex addiction as a condition rather than a disease. A psychological addiction is just as real as a chemical one, it's just that some have trouble coming to terms with it.
For me I just don't get the level of hatred directed at Woods, sure what he did was wrong but hating him and comparing what he did with murder, wishing all sorts of bad **** to happen to him because of his infidelities just strikes me as odd..besides one should never hate, one can however dislike intensely!
Yes sir! A truely wise and great man once said, "Love they neighbor as thyself" and "do unto other's as you would have them do unto you."
He said nothing about disliking a person but he did say, "hate the sin, love the sinner." Again nothing about disliking them. Those are words I TRY to live by each day but fall and have fallen short on many a day. -
Agreed it's wrong.
Do we think the corrupted morals of the well-to-do's are really going to change?
Not if walking out on stage and taking 15 minutes to say you're sorry is all it takes for people to start stuffing money back into your palms because you're good at golf. To me, that's tacit support. -
I have to refer back to what's new?
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Originally posted by Demiurge Would you be cool with Tiger banging your wife? Maybe you'd let your friends take a spin. No big deal, right? It's just a little sex.
Since I'm single it would be difficult for him to be "banging" my wife.
You seem to be making a huge leap when it comes to Tiger's infidelity, ie: he hasn't to my knowledge "banged" anyones wife nor has he killed anyone!
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I have to refer back to what's new?
Been going on for generations.
I'll repeat, nothing.
You acknowledge it's wrong. Does the fact that it's common for people to cheat on their spouses make it less so?
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Roy Munson wrote: »Since I'm single it would be difficult for him to be "banging" my wife.
You seem to be making a huge leap when it comes to Tiger's infidelity, ie: he hasn't to my knowledge "banged" anyones wife nor has he killed anyone!
Until then I'll save my outrage for those times or until the moral police start looking in my window.
Do you insist on being so literal because you just want to be a jackass or do you honestly lack the ability to use your brain to figure out what you'd do in hypothetical situations?
Here, I'll phrase it all another way.
Do you think if (IF, Mr. Literal) you were married with two kids your wife would appreciate you going and **** a bunch of single women you met at bars?
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Do you insist on being so literal because you just want to be a jackass or do you honestly lack the ability to use your brain to figure out what you'd do in hypothetical situations?
Here, I'll make phrase it all another way.
Do you think if (IF, Mr. Literal) you were married with two kids your wife would appreciate you going and **** a bunch of single women you met at bars?
Unless you were born special, it ain't real hard to figger than one out.
Well Mr. Fantasy, those analogies you are trying so hard to sell just don't get it!!! They are pure speculation on your part and have NOTHING to do with what Tiger did or didn't do.
Using your line of reasoning I could ask what if Tiger ran over and killed your cat when he hurriedly back out of his driveway? What if he shot some guy in the face? The fact is that didn't happen just like he didn't kill anyone.
What if?
What if?
What if?
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Roy Munson wrote: »Well Mr. Fantasy, those analogies you are trying so hard to sell just don't get it!!! They are pure speculation on your part and have NOTHING to do with what Tiger did or didn't do.
Tiger cheated on his wife multiples times. That's not speculation, it's a fact. You're saying it's no big deal. I'm challenging that by forcing you into their shoes.
If you were married, would you think it's no big deal to cheat on your wife? Do you think your wife would think it's a big deal if you screwed a bunch of random chicks?
Instead of being a horses **** you could just answer the question with "no, Demi, that would be a big deal," or "no, Demi, it's not a big deal."Roy Munson wrote: »Using your line of reasoning I could ask what if Tiger ran over and killed your cat when he hurriedly back out of his driveway? What if he shot some guy in the face? The fact is that didn't happen just like he didn't kill anyone.
What are you talking about?
Roy Munson wrote: »I'm sorry my position and opinion upset you so much that you found it necessary to call me names, not a very moral thing to do. Don't ya think?
I wasn't even responding to you in the first place. I was talking to Amherst. He didn't seem to have a hard time grasping my point.
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Hey demi, have you ever noticed that you're constantly getting into these kinda arguments?
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Hey demi, have you ever noticed that you're constantly getting into these kinda arguments?
Why do you reckon that is?
Getting into these kinds of arguments is a choice. It's nice of you to drop by, princess.
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On the actual speech today...
People are saying he seemed kind of robotic and didn't seem sincere. Most attribute that to the fact the his speech was written ahead of time and that he seemed robotic. I'd point out a couple things:
1 - Regardless of what you think of his actions, no one in their sanity would deny the difficulty of what he had to do today. Did he deserve it, sure. But you can't argue how difficult it must be to have to get up in front of the world and say those things - I know I'd be a nervous wreck!
2 - The speech was 14 freaking minutes long, no way you're going to get up there and wing that, you're just going to miss too many things.
3 - Historically, he's not a very good public speaker at all. He's able to communicate ok in a Q&A type session, but anytime he's had to stand up and give a speech, he hasn't done a great job, case in point being the Obama inauguration.
Take these 3 things combined, and you get two results - a written speech and someone who doesn't do a great job in delivering it.
What you have to do in a situation like this is look at the body language and facial expressions. Think about his general demeanor earlier, this isn't a Tiger Woods you've ever seen before - he was noticeably uncomfortable and, while he didn't start crying, he looked genuinely upset.
If you take all that into account and listen to the actual message, I think it's pretty clear that we got a heart-felt apology.
As for the "he's only sorry because he got caught" comments, well Hello Captain Obvious! Of course! You're typically not going to be sorry until your world comes crashing down, because it's only then that you're forced to look at yourself and your actions. It's almost always only out of necessity that you're forced to take a step back and look at things, and it's only then you realize how much of a **** you've been and naturally, if you're a decent guy, you probably feel bad about it. -
Getting into these kinds of arguments is a choice. It's nice of you to drop by, princess.
Ah, I see. So it's not that you are a ****, but you choose to be a ****. Sort of a nature/nurture thing. Duly noted.
And I'm off. It's a workday, I've got work to do, so I'll be getting back to stimulatin' the economy.
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