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hearingimpared

Willow wrote: »

Can a sex addict ever have sex again? If they can, then a drug addict can have another hit ?

There are several methods of therapy that can help a sex addict. A drug addict or alcoholic has to refrain from the use of the substance to keep from phyically relapsing. Remember the drug or the alcohol abuse is just a symptom of the disease or a deeper problem and further therapy is needed to keep the addict clean. The same goes for sex addicts.

hearingimpared

Willow wrote: »

That's all this was meant to do!

No kidding! People just like to cast that first stone.

madmax

15 minutes to make an apology?? I thought I was going to fall asleep before he got through it. Personally I don't think he is important enough to warrant a 15 minute apology no matter what he did.
madmax

Willow

hearingimpared wrote: »

There are several methods of therapy that can help a sex addict. A drug addict or alcoholic has to refrain from the use of the substance to keep from phyically relapsing. Remember the drug or the alcohol abuse is just a symptom of the disease or a deeper problem and further therapy is needed to keep the addict clean. The same goes for sex addicts.

So isn't bangning someone the same as snorting a line ? So technically a sex addict should never have sex again!

hearingimpared

Willow wrote: »

So isn't bangning someone the same as snorting a line ? So technically a sex addict should never have sex again!

I don't think it is but then again I have no experience with sex addiction but I do know there is therapy available to help the sex addict live a normal life.

Roy Munson

So isn't bangning someone the same as snorting a line ?

Only if one is snorting Viagra.

Willow

hearingimpared wrote: »

I don't think it is but then again I have no experience with sex addiction but I do know there is therapy available to help the sex addict live a normal life.

I'm not trying to start anything except understand.

Why is the same therapy not effective on the person who drinks tons?

If we go by the "addiction is a desease" then aren't all addictions the same? So the SA can eventually start having relations again on a cusual basis, the same should be the drinker to have the occasional beer... Be it coke, beer, vodka, pot or sex, it's all the same means to the same end..Technically

Roy Munson

I'm not trying to start anything except understand.

Are you trying to understand the difference between a chemical dependency and sex addition?

Kind of like the difference between smoking and being addicted to video games?

Demiurge

tommyboy wrote: »

You are thinking way too much into this. Please reread my last two posts. To me, he is a golfer... Thats it, his personal life is exactly that, personal. Now if he had a drug problem and that problem showed directly on the golf course.. then yes, I think it would deserve its fullest attention.

I'll say this one more time to get this straight, my comments about the whole tiger woods situation does not mean I think its ok, but he should not quit golfing because of it. Thats it! If I knew him personally then, yeah he's a big **** ****. But I never met him, he hits a golf ball well and thats all I care about about him.

Not really.

I got exactly what you were saying, and it says a lot about you.

If Tiger Woods were a murderer instead of a "sex addict" that cheats on his wife would you still watch him whack a golf ball around without a second thought? Be honest. See, all you're telling me is you think a guy cheating on his wife isn't that big a deal.

Roy Munson

If Tiger Woods were a murderer instead of a "sex addict" that cheats on his wife would you still watch him whack a golf ball around without a second thought.

If Tiger were a murderer he'd be in jail instead of on the golf course.

hearingimpared

Willow wrote: »

I'm not trying to start anything except understand.

Why is the same therapy not effective on the person who drinks tons?

If we go by the "addiction is a desease" then aren't all addictions the same? So the SA can eventually start having relations again on a cusual basis, the same should be the drinker to have the occasional beer... Be it coke, beer, vodka, pot or sex, it's all the same means to the same end..Technically

I don't think so. The drug or alcohol is and external substance that creates an unnatural chemical reaction in the body thus producing and triggering a physical craving and a mental obsession to the addict. The drug leaving the system causes physical withdrawl which is hard to over come.

Sex is natural and doesn't produce the physical craving or withdrawl but does affect the mental obsession thus the therapy would work better for the sex addict. The therapy would be defeated by an addict reintroducing the unnatural substance in their bodies and then causing the physical craving to occur once the substance starts leaving the body thus withdrawl, thus the need to feed the withdrawl which becomes a mental obsession.

hearingimpared

roy munson wrote: »

if tiger were a murderer he'd be in jail instead of on the golf course.

OJ Simpson!

Roy Munson

Therefore a sex addict has a psychological addiction rather than a chemical one. The question remains..is a psychological addiction a disease?

bruss

There are tons of athletes who are **** bags in real life.. Ever heard of the NBA?

Demiurge

Roy Munson wrote: »

If Tiger were a murderer he'd be in jail instead of on the golf course.

That's not a given, Mr. Literal.

hearingimpared

Roy Munson wrote: »

Therefore a sex addict has a psychological addiction rather than a chemical one. The question remains..is a psychological addiction a disease?

I believe the AMA considers all types of addiction a disease. Again the substance abuse is just a sympton of the disease or deeper mental problem which BTW could be caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain chemistry.

Roy Munson

Demiurge wrote: »

That's not a given, Mr. Literal.

lol OK, then dare I say he'd "probably" be in jail. lol

Demiurge

hearingimpared wrote: »

Good point! I'm not saying it is a good excuse. I'm saying the temptation goes with the territory and that temptation can be very overwhelming.

I don't discount any of that.

hearingimpared wrote: »

I'm not justifying his actions by any means but I'm not going to judge him because he fell under the spell of the temptation.

I know you're not, but why wouldn't you judge him? Life is all about choices and choices are based on making judgments. Understanding why people do things doesn't absolve them of the consequences for their poor behavior.

What would he have to do before you'd pass judgment on him (...and lets not bring up religion, we're not talking about the judgment of God)?

hearingimpared wrote: »

Hopefully he'll rise above the scandal and get back to his talented business.

I do too. We all do dumb things from time to time, but it'll take a long time for me to take him seriously.

heiney9

Demiurge wrote: »

Not really.

I got exactly what you were saying, and it says a lot about you.

If Tiger Woods were a murderer instead of a "sex addict" that cheats on his wife would you still watch him whack a golf ball around without a second thought? Be honest. See, all you're telling me is you think a guy cheating on his wife isn't that big a deal.

So what you're saying is no matter what the transgression is they are all exactly the same according to your set of moray's?

Swearing, drinking, embezzeling, cheating on a spouse, punching someone, stabbing someone (not causing death), killing someone, killing several people.....to you they are all the same and you hold youself to a higher standard than anyone else and never make a mistake.

I don't personally agree with cheating on a spouse and if Tiger was a good friend I'd have to re-evaluate my friendship because his actions directly affect my life.

In Tiger's case, I could care less what he does, and to whom he does it in the realm of sexual conduct between consenting adults. I'm not here to judge him and I'm not hear to judge you.

H9

danger boy

hearingimpared wrote: »

I don't think it is but then again I have no experience with sex addiction but I do know there is therapy available to help the sex addict live a normal life.

he's not a sex addict.. he's just a normal man who liked to cheat on his wife..

if every guy that did that was considered a sex addict.. then we'd have a bazillion sex addicts in every city.

bruss

I think the focus of all this media could be directed at a more useful place like Wall Street. These guys are **** everybody

Huck344

I watched the press conference. Was it contrived? Yes. But, how exactly can you stage something like that and have it not look contrived. I'm sure among all of us, there is someone who has cheated and been caught. The difference is, whomever did cheat, did not have to make an apology to the whole world. Maybe just your wife and kids, if at all.

I am by no means justifying what he did, but give the guy a break. He had more temptation thrown at him than any of us could even imagine. Can all of you look in the mirror and honestly say that you would have rejected it EVERY single time? Put yourself in his shoes. You are rich, famous and since you were 5 have been told that you are above the rules. How would you react? I would like to think that I would never do that if I were in that same position. . . But who knows. Maybe he does have a sex addition. Judging by the women he was with, he definitely seemed to favor "quantity" over "quality"!

hearingimpared

Demiurge wrote: »

I don't discount any of that.

hearingimpared wrote: »

I'm not justifying his actions by any means but I'm not going to judge him because he fell under the spell of the temptation.

I know you're not, but why wouldn't you judge him? Life is all about choices and choices are based on making judgments. Understanding why people do things doesn't absolve them of the consequences for their poor behavior.

What would he have to do before you'd pass judgment on him (...and lets not bring up religion, we're not talking about the judgment of God)?


I do too. We all do dumb things from time to time, but it'll take a long time for me to take him seriously.

Bro, you just answered the question. I think he is a slime ball for cheating on his wife. However, he is paying the consequences of his actions and I don't feel the need to judge him. If he got away with it like OJ did then I would be as judgemental as all get out. OJ is a demented demon and deserves to be destined to a life of misery and if you believe in an after life there too.

EDIT: Wow I just noticed the quote feature screwed up the flow of my post. I've seen this happen before, is it a glitch or a bug? It even put my screenname in the quoted section!

shack

I could care less about his sex life, personal life, marriage or anything not related to golf. I'm not a Tiger fan...But he IS a great golfer and there is no denying that. If anyone put him on a pedistal as someone to emulate for anything other than his golf swing or his drive to succeed in his sport...then shame on them. They deserve to have their illusions shattered.

If I want to follow someone as role model for moral values I would look to Billy Graham or Sister Terresa and the like...not a sports figure.

Granted there are great athletes with great moral values...and I could name several I think fall in that catergory based on my own moral compass. Someone else could have a differing opinion. Tiger has never been in that category IMO.

I remember reading an interview of Tiger just before he went on tour by a non sporting publication. Lots of F*** and other cussing and generally a disparaging view of women (at least by his words and tone). I felt he was trying to get some street cred by acting a little "gansta" or "hip". I think he was still at Stanford at the time but getting ready to go on tour and was trying to show off a little to the interviewer how cool he was.

Anyone who has followed golf knows he has a bad temper, no patience with others, is self absorbed and a has foul mouth. On those counts he has been given a pass as being a fiery competetor...which according to his protagonists didn't leak over into his PR driven image and personal life. Yeah...like that's realistic. :rolleyes:

For me...he is a great golfer...but not a role model.

Demiurge

Roy Munson wrote: »

lol OK, then dare I say he'd "probably" be in jail. lol

The point was that the argument tommyboy made that he's just an athlete and that's all that matters is a steaming pile of **** unless there's something wrong with the person who takes such a position.

Yeah, cheating on a spouse isn't murder, just like stealing a pack of gum isn't cheating on your wife, but there are certainly things an athlete could do off the course (in this case) that would cause any normal person to give pause. So no, he's not just a golfer in my opinion.

Roy Munson

I am by no means justifying what he did, but give the guy a break. He had more temptation thrown at him than any of us could even imagine.

This is perhaps the truest statement said in this entire thread!

Going on the road/tour with women literally throwing themselves at you every day, day after day can be a real problem. Some people deal with it better than others. Tiger obviously didn't do well with it.

AsSiMiLaTeD

I don't personally agree with cheating on a spouse and if Tiger was a good friend I'd have to re-evaluate my friendship because his actions directly affect my life.

Wow, really?

hearingimpared

shack wrote: »

I could care less about his sex life, personal life, marriage or anything not related to golf. I'm not a Tiger fan...But he IS a great golfer and there is no denying that. If anyone put him on a pedistal as someone to emulate for anything other than his golf swing or his drive to succeed in his sport...then shame on them. They deserve to have their illusions shattered.

If I want to follow someone as role model for moral values I would look to Billy Graham or Sister Terresa and the like...not a sports figure.

Granted there are great athletes with great moral values...and I could name several I think fall in that catergory based on my own moral compass. Someone else could have a differing opinion. Tiger has never been in that category IMO.

I remember reading an interview of Tiger just before he went on tour by a non sporting publication. Lots of F*** and other cussing and generally a disparaging view of women (at least by his words and tone). I felt he was trying to get some street cred by acting a little "gansta" or "hip". I think he was still at Stanford at the time but getting ready to go on tour and was trying to show off a little to the interviewer how cool he was.

Anyone who has followed golf knows he has a bad temper, no patience with others, is self absorbed and a has foul mouth. On those counts he has been given a pass as being a fiery competetor...which according to his protagonists didn't leak over into his PR driven image and personal life. Yeah...like that's realistic. :rolleyes:

For me...he is a great golfer...but not a role model.

Yes Steve, most adults would feel the same way. I'm talking about the naive kids who hold him on the pedistal. They should not be exposed to all the seedy details that the press has found necessary to sensationalize. I believe it is up to the parents to keep the issue in perspective.

Huck344

shack wrote: »

Anyone who has followed golf knows he has a bad temper, no patience with others, is self absorbed and a has foul mouth. On those counts he has been given a pass as being a fiery competetor...which according to his protagonists didn't leak over into his PR driven image and personal life. Yeah...like that's realistic. :rolleyes:

What you just wrote could describe Michael Jordan, Peyton Manning, Cal Ripken and numerous other "great" athletes. I once had the opportunity to sit court side at a Lakers-Timberwolves game. This was when Kevin Garnett was still on the Timberwolves. I was close enough to hear all the chatter on the court. Kevin Garnet language was so profane that he would have made a truck driver blush. They all swore up a storm. It's just part of the game I guess.

I golf, swearing on the course is frowned upon. I play golf regularly. I can't remember a single round where I didn't drop an F-Bomb after hitting a bad shot. Difference is, that I don't have microphones in my face constantly.

pmckeealaska

Though I know I'm at odds with the AMA, I think the whole idea of alcoholism and drug addiction as diseases is a bunch of crap. I think nowadays, everyone wants to look for an excuse to absolve themselves of responsibility. Drinking and drugging takes active participation. Sex addiction is an even bigger joke...again, a term designed to excuse poor behavior.