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  • coolsax
    coolsax Posts: 1,824
    edited January 2010
    i think the 2 biggest things that kill it for me is the lack of ability to multitask (comeon should have been one of the top prioritys) and the lack of ports.. You can't use this as your only home computer if you wanted to.. which many people might have wanted to. unless you buy directly from i tunes all your songs you still have to hook it up to your computer to get your music onto it as well as any pictures you might want to add b/c it doesn't have a memory card or usb port.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited February 2010
    Hands-on Impressions of the iPad
    by Jeff Carlson and Glenn Fleishman

    To give you an idea of what it's like to use Apple's new iPad, we need to jump past Apple's media event announcing the tablet and go to lunch. (What can we say? Food and information go hand-in-hand in our world, and Glenn was getting faint.)

    Over the course of 10 minutes determining where to eat in San Francisco, there were a handful of moments when we thought an iPad would be better than our iPhones: searching for restaurants on a map; jotting a few notes from our conversations about the device; checking Twitter to see if anyone we knew had restaurant suggestions; looking on the Web to see if the first TidBITS article was online yet; checking the calendar for our return flight information.

    In each case, nothing about the iPhone prevented us from doing these things. But after handling the iPad following Steve Jobs's announcement, our fingers wanted more room to type, more of a document-style grasp of the device instead of cupping it in the hand, and faster performance. Our still-shiny iPhone 3GS units suddenly felt small and slow.

    The iPad is something to be held and experienced, because so many of its advantages are tactile: how it feels in the hand, of course, but also how the software responds. (Where our opinions differ, we break them out.)

    (For full details about the iPad announcement and the device's specifications, see "The iPad Arrives, 27 January 2010.)


    Speed and Smoothness -- We definitely noticed the speed. Even after minutes of using the iPad, the performance was still surprising. Web pages load in Safari ridiculously fast. Full-screen video plays as smoothly as it would to a TV set from a DVD or Blu-ray player - often better than our experience on some Macs. The animation for moving between pages in the iBooks app provides a neat interactive scrolling page-turn effect that keeps up with the finger if you keep it pressed against the screen as you move. (You can also simply tap the left or right side of the screen to turn the page.)

    Perhaps the best term for how the speed and smoothness combine is immediacy: there's no wait for something to happen, and no delay in following a finger or gesture. Even the seemingly most complicated and arbitrary activities have the same fluid sense of something happening in the real, not virtual world.

    For instance, the Photos app on the iPad lets you see photo groups by albums (and also by events, Faces, and Places if you sync with iPhoto on the Mac). Use two fingers on a stack of photos in the events view to stretch the photos apart and back together, like you had just randomly spread out and restacked pictures. No matter how many times Glenn did this, it still seemed remarkable.


    The Screen -- Once we found a suitable lunch spot, we joked about the many "artists' renditions" of Apple tablets that appeared before the introduction, because the iPad turns out to be what we expected from a design standpoint: a large iPod touch. Most of the front face is a beautiful, high-resolution color LCD screen. A black bezel surrounds the 9.7-inch screen to give you someplace to put your thumbs (otherwise you're activating the multitouch sensors). The 1024-by-768 pixel size is enhanced by its 132 ppi resolution. Items onscreen are crisp and clear, and even resized objects such as current iPhone app icons and upscaled graphics aren't painful to view.

    The upscaling of iPhone apps is noticeable (when you tap the 2x button to fill the screen instead of running at actual size), especially in games such as Bejeweled where most everything is bitmapped. But apps that rely on the iPad's graphics engine to render resizable items such as text appeared to cope well. We couldn't tell whether the operating system is cleanly changing the size of text or just doing a great job of doubling the pixel counts, but we suspect the former.

    The screen has the same oleophobic fingerprint-resistant coating as the 3GS, but it definitely smears up fast. The cheerful and informative Apple employees assisting us in trying out the iPad devices would regularly ask to clean the screens - although that was to keep them fresh for the tens of thousands of photos being taken, too.


    Of Transitions and Polish -- We expect excellence from Apple when it comes to visual styling, but the iPad surprised us. Subtle animations abound, imparting the sense that the iPad is a single cohesive, consistent design. For example, tapping an iBook to read it doesn't just immediately fill the screen with the text. The "book" opens and moves toward you; it's a very quick animation, so it doesn't feel like the designers tacked it on to be cool or burn CPU cycles. When you switch from portrait to landscape orientation in the Mail app, the Inbox list appears as if it were a piece of paper that had been folded behind the current message.

    Then there are visual cues that work to integrate the iPad into the real world. When the keyboard is visible, the F and J keys appear with the "bumps" typically used as guides for touch typists. It's silly to put them there, because the screen is a flat piece of glass, but it makes the keyboard seem more "real" for people who use keyboards all the time. Or, consider the List view in the Calendar app. When viewed in the iPad's landscape orientation, an event selected from the list appears to the right, and if you look closely you see little clumps of torn paper where previous days' entries appear to have been removed.


    The surprise comes not just in the level of detail that Apple has created, but that the company is adhering to images of physical, real-world objects to make the iPad experience more believable. It's not necessary for the iPad's functionality, but it will likely go a long way toward making the experience more comfortable for people who want to bring it to a couch or on vacation.


    Size and Weight -- We spent about 30 minutes holding and using an iPad, and came away with distinctly different feelings about the weight and heft of the iPad.

    Glenn: I worry that the iPad is a bit horsey. The 1.5-pound weight doesn't sound like much, and I don't have weak wrists or forearms, but I found it tiring to hold the iPad in one hand for more than a few minutes. I'd definitely want to prop it somewhere. During Steve Jobs and Phil Schiller's demonstrations, they sat in a chair and propped on a knee or in a hand supported by a knee.

    Jeff: Glenn is criminally insane. Not because he thinks 1.5 pounds is too heavy, but because he seems to be envisioning that he'll be holding the iPad at arm's length for hours at a time. When reading, I always prop a book on a table, my lap, or other surface. Maybe I have minimal muscle mass, but I don't foresee weight as a problem.

    We both found the curve of the back surface to be subtle and comfortable in the hand. Unlike the iPhone or iPod touch, the edges aren't completely rounded: the back curves up, and then squares away to create a flat edge around the device.

    It also feels sturdy, no doubt thanks to the solid aluminum processes developed for the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro. The glass screen makes us unwilling to throw the iPad into a bag unprotected, but we're not worried that it will bend or otherwise feel flimsy. Cases and slipcovers will undoubtedly be available well before the iPad itself.


    The Handwriting Is on Some Other Wall -- At no point did we wish we could write on the iPad with a stylus and have it recognize our handwriting. Although handwriting recognition has improved significantly since the days of the original Newton, it's just not a good computing input mechanism. Just because you're holding something that roughly resembles the shape of a notepad doesn't mean it needs to be treated like one.

    What's funny, though, is that the Notepad app on the iPad goes to great lengths to look more like a notepad, especially in landscape orientation.) Instead of asking the iPad to attempt to decipher swirls and loops (which are nearly incomprehensible to us, and we're the ones doing the writing), using the iPad's onscreen keyboard ensures that the data you input is legible and searchable.

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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited February 2010
    ...Cont
    Minor Nits -- We did find some annoyances and outstanding questions, some of which may be eliminated by the time the shipping versions appear. It was clear that the software on the demo models were still being baked; some features had non-functional controls (like the search capability in the iBooks app), many preferences were missing, and Glenn managed to crash the iPad by trying to access Wi-Fi network settings. None of the iPads on display included 3G networking (which is due to arrive in April 2010 in the United States).

    The icons on the home screen seem too small and too widely spaced. Given that all iPhone app icons must be delivered to Apple at 512 by 512 pixels, we would think the home screen on the iPad could display more of them and make better use of the space. The iPhone can hold a 4-by-4 grid of icons on each home screen, plus the 4 icons on the home row. In comparison, the iPad appears to have a 6-by-4 grid, plus only 4 spots on the home row, but it could easily increase that to an 8-by-6 grid and 6 spots on the home row.

    The iBooks app has a problem with page numbers. When you change the font size or type face, iBooks repaginates the book silently and without any noticeable slowing of the interface. However, it makes using page numbers for academic reference impossible, something about which fiction readers and most non-fiction readers won't give a fig. However, we hope Apple will think more about this before the release, given its obvious utility for schools and universities. One suggestion: use a reference edition, perhaps hardcover, to allow the optional display of absolute page breaks in that edition.

    The iPad works fine in either portrait or landscape mode, featuring an accelerometer that detects changes and rotates accordingly. However, there's only one dock connector, below the Home button in portrait position. This is sensible from a feel and production standpoint, but we can envision many circumstances, from using it with a keyboard to watching videos, that you'd want to dock it lengthwise. The optional iPad case lets you stand it on end, but that prevents you from connecting a cable - if you don't opt to spring for the dock - for charging.

    The revised Photos app provides better organization, a better interface, and better integration with iPhoto in Mac OS X. You can even import pictures from cameras (using a $29 USB dock adapter) or SD cards (via a $29 dock card reader). But you seemingly can't organize photos once imported, nor upload photos en masse to a storage location, a service like Flickr or Facebook, or even a MobileMe gallery - it's limited to just one photo at a time. (You can email multiple photos simultaneously, but that's hardly the same thing.) The Flickr app for iPhone OS lets you upload multiple photos, and third-party apps will likely fill this gap.

    Also, photos currently do not reveal any metadata, even basic items such as date, title, and caption (a characteristic shared by the current version of the iPhone OS). Given the new feature to use the iPad as a slideshow viewer when docked (a button on the lock screen enables this mode), as well as the capability to import photos directly from a camera or SD card using an optional adapter, we'd like to see some method of exposing that information.

    The room in which we viewed the iPad was crammed with journalists, so we couldn't tell whether audio from the built-in speakers was acceptable. However, there's just one speaker port on the bottom. Jeff attempted to listen to the output and noticed that the bass response made the back of the unit vibrate, so perhaps there's more oomph than was discernible during the event. Our suspicion is that you wouldn't want to rely on the built-in speakers as the main source of audio when playing music.

    (As an amusing side note, photographer Justin Sullivan captured a shot of Jeff listening to the iPad, which, in addition to looking as if he's caressing the device, ran on the front page of the paper edition of USA Today (PDF), in the Wall Street Journal, and online at the Huffington Post.)

    Whether Apple will be successful at selling the iPad, no one can predict. But the firm has certainly built a remarkable device, and one that sets a new bar for mobile device performance, even if it were to sell just a handful. (Seriously, does anyone think Apple will sell just a handful given the $499 price?)

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  • xj4094dg
    xj4094dg Posts: 1,158
    edited February 2010
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited February 2010
    I don't think there is nothing new or innovative about iPad. It might sell well but it certainly isn't a device I wish it was; touchpad version of iMac and not iPod/iPhone. This is my first post on the forum from a iMac as I just got one from work as a secondary machine. This is a cool little computer that gives you a great out of the box experience. However, nothing that I can't get from other platforms. In fact this feels like a restricted version of Linux. Polished from the outside but restricted from the inside. At least with iMac I can run Java and .NET (well, Mono actually) which I can't do from iPhone or the new iPad.
  • ryanjoachim
    ryanjoachim Posts: 2,046
    edited February 2010
    It's all well and good for Jobs to say "Adobe is lazy...flash is dying", but to go out and say "everyone is moving to html5!!" is downright stupid.

    Yes, HTML5 is out there, and it is being used. However, 90% (official statistics from somewhere) of online content (besides text) is Flash-based. Millions of people play Farmville on Facebook, along with their other games. Most online publications use Flash as their medium for showing videos.

    To not include Flash on this kind of device is nothing short of idiotic, and as simple as Jobs thinking he's powerful enough to push everyone away from Flash with this one device.
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  • John30_30
    John30_30 Posts: 1,024
    edited February 2010
    I'd like to see what this dual-screen gadget looks like when it's ready for prime time. MSI dual-screen netbook/reader
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited April 2010
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  • fatchowmein
    fatchowmein Posts: 2,637
    edited April 2010
    Face wrote: »

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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited April 2010
    . Millions of people play Farmville on Facebook, along with their other games.

    I just heard of this while watching a Southpark episode about "facebook".
    Farmville??????? FARMVILLE???? Ok, I give up. I'm old.
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  • ryanjoachim
    ryanjoachim Posts: 2,046
    edited April 2010
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    I just heard of this while watching a Southpark episode about "facebook".
    Farmville??????? FARMVILLE???? Ok, I give up. I'm old.

    I'm not even old, and I agree with you. I was exactly like Kyle in that skit before my wife forced me into Facebook land.
    MrNightly wrote: »
    "Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
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  • bigaudiofanatic
    bigaudiofanatic Posts: 4,415
    edited April 2010
    I think people are finding good uses with it.

    I have a customer that is having me integrate a ipad into his cars dash of his 370z. Going to be nice.
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited May 2010
    My 3G is on the way. :-)
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited May 2010
    My 3G is on the way. :-)

    Congrats, I have got to use a friends 64gb 3G and will say it was very nice. The time I spent with it had me itching to buy one right away.
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  • toucanet
    toucanet Posts: 580
    edited May 2010
    I occasionally log into this forum with my iPad and do not have any problems.

    Make sure that you purchase a version with WiFi and 3G. The data plans that AT&T offer are very reasonable. I have the monthly unlimited plan (roughly $30/month). The other plan is roughly $15/month.

    There are so many applications that you can use on this toy that it is amazing.

    I purchased mine because it was convenient to use instead of taking out my laptop, booting up, etc.

    I currently have about 15 movies on it (Avatar, Saving Private Ryan, etc.), and the picture is very clear and sharp.

    I also use it to talk with people via Skype (no video camera). This is cheaper than using my minutes on my CrackBerry.

    The GPS navigation application I downloaded works better and more accurately than the system in my car. It notifies me of traffic delays/construction/accidents in real-time.

    There is an application called "Around Me" that picks up your location and will tell you what is around you such as restaurants/hotels/gas stations/etc. This is very handy if you travel as much as I do.

    I used it (iPad) once during a deposition and it did an awesome job of converting voice to text. The only edit that was needed for a three-hour deposition was the word "toilet." The person being deposed repeatedly said what sounded like "turlet." Damn those inbreds:mad:

    At the end of the day, it is a handy TOY for me. However, if it broke today, I would have a replacement... today:D

    It is a good conversation starter, to say the least.

    I paid about $1,100 for the iPad, warranty and Apple's Mobile Me.
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited May 2010
    Well guys I'm gonna return it. I've been getting the worst headaches since I've had it.
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited May 2010
    Lasareath wrote: »
    They do, It's called an iPhone!

    Good one!:D
  • avelanchefan
    avelanchefan Posts: 2,401
    edited May 2010
    Well guys I'm gonna return it. I've been getting the worst headaches since I've had it.

    So explain wingnut....wouold like to hear why. Interested in one, but not a 3g version, I already have a droid.
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited May 2010
    I don't know. I just started getting really bad headaches.
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited May 2010
    I don't know. I just started getting really bad headaches.

    Is it only when your using the Ipad? Screen to bright or what? Besides the headaches how is it? Functional? Any thoughts you'd like to share before I go buy one?
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited May 2010
    No Flash support is absolutely ludicrous, I just can't get over that.

    Apple can suck it - they're not getting another dime of my money until they start including Flash support.

    i really can't believe more people aren't pissed about this...
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited May 2010
    Sherardp wrote: »
    Is it only when your using the Ipad? Screen to bright or what? Besides the headaches how is it? Functional? Any thoughts you'd like to share before I go buy one?

    I liked it a lot. Why I got headaches I don't know. But after using it for a while my right eye would feel fatigued and then a migraine. It's a fun toy but I found it a bit redundant with an iPhone and MacBook Pro. It was a gift so I didn't spend the dough on it. I didn't like the lack of multitasking either. I might have kept it if I weren't getting headaches but I think I like the $733 in my account much better.
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited May 2010
    No Flash support is absolutely ludicrous, I just can't get over that.

    Apple can suck it - they're not getting another dime of my money until they start including Flash support.

    i really can't believe more people aren't pissed about this...

    http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

    I am sure that the truth is somewhere in between. I have no horse in this race, my daughter has, namely Farmville. Too bad, otherwise I might have grab the iPad for her.
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited May 2010
    That article is hogwash, a bunch of excuses. Flash runs fine on the google phone, no reason outside of business greed that it can't run on the iPhone.

    I really hate Apple, and yes I'm posting this from my iPhone.
  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited July 2010
    Has anyone picked up the Ipad besides me. I recently purchased the 64Gb and am loving this thing very much. I've been mainly using it for reading books, the webers grill recipe app is awesome and more. I have music on the Ipod so I probably won't load that much music on it. Games are cool and such. It is a larger version of an Itouch in so many ways, but I'm loving it.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited July 2010
    Scott Adams (the Dilbert guy) recently wrote a blog post about the iPad that made the most compelling reason to own one that I've heard yet - that it's instant-on. I'm amazed that Apple didn't make more of a big deal about it, but if you think about how many people are annoyed with the bootup time of their PCs (and it's one of the most common complaints I hear from people who aren't PC-savvy), you'd think that would be one of the top selling features.
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.