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speakergeek

Hey guys, PEACE. Let's shake hands and move on. Ya'll getting any new gear for Chirstmas?

F1nut

bigred7078 wrote: »

extraordinary, perhaps, but it is still quite short.

So, you've never picked up the phone and heard a voice from the past that you didn't instantly recognize despite the fact that the sound quality of the average phone is sub-par at best?

heiney9

bigred7078 wrote: »

extraordinary, perhaps, but it is still quite short.

Why is it I recently ran into my 4th grade teacher I recognized his voice before seeing his face. He was in the other side of an aisle and I heard his voice and instantly knew who it was. Haven't seen him in 33 years, it was nice to catch up. Auditory memory is superb, and many don;t even realize it.

Nice try though

bigred7078

F1nut wrote: »

So, you've never picked up the phone and heard a voice from the past that you didn't instantly recognize despite the fact that the sound quality of the average phone is sub-par at best?

refer to my edit

bigred7078

heiney9 wrote: »

Why is it I recently ran into my 4th grade teacher I recognized his voice before seeing his face. He was in the other side of an aisle and I heard his voice and instantly knew who it was. Haven't seen him in 33 years, it was nice to catch up. Auditory memory is superb, and many don;t even realize it.

Nice try though

oh you're right that totally proves me wrong...
:rolleyes:

sTiLlLeArNiNg

Keiko wrote: »

Ashamed of Polk? Well, don't let the door hit you in the **** on your way out

Yes i am ashamed that the admin/mod's allow you/other's to continue with your beligerant ignorance/flamming/insults/trolling.

I have NO intention's of leaving, on the contrary i am eager to make this a better place that is more welcoming to open, civil discussion where ALL can benefit/learn and enjoy/share this hobby without being accosted for having differing opinion's or product's :cool:

Seem's like the door has already hit ya a few too many time's....

ben62670

The problem is everyone is different. Everyone processes things different. Everyone remembers things different. Too many asshats think everything is measurable. Too many asshats think they know what you can and can not hear.

sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »

Yes i am ashamed that the admin/mod's allow you/other's to continue with your beligerant ignorance/flamming/insults/trolling.

I have NO intention's of leaving, on the contrary i am eager to make this a better place that is more welcoming to open, civil discussion where ALL can benefit/learn and enjoy/share this hobby without being accosted for having differing opinion's or product's :cool:

Seem's like the door has already hit ya a few too many time's....

Oh thanks great hero of the Polk forum. Thanks for coming to save us. This forum would be a hell hole without you:rolleyes: You don't have very many here that would miss you if you left. A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it isn't open;) Do you act like an idiot to attract attention to yourself? Were you the kid whose tongue froze to the flagpole more than once?

nooshinjohn

...I'd like to teach the world to sing
.....In perfect harmony
...I'd like to buy the World a Coke...

Kumbiya.
If Stillstupid sought to make this a better place he would do as Ben suggested and STFU.

F1nut

sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »

Yes i am ashamed that the admin/mod's allow you/other's to continue with your beligerant ignorance/flamming/insults/trolling.

I have NO intention's of leaving, on the contrary i am eager to make this a better place that is more welcoming to open, civil discussion where ALL can benefit/learn and enjoy/share this hobby without being accosted for having differing opinion's or product's :cool:

Seem's like the door has already hit ya a few too many time's....

You remind me of ronnie the Rat.....that's not a good thing.

F1nut

Although there is evidence of some types of long term memory, but its usually related to language and its meaning.

But isn't music a form of language? I believe it to be.

bigred7078

ben62670 wrote: »

The problem is everyone is different. Everyone processes things different. Everyone remembers things different. Too many asshats think everything is measurable. Too many asshats think they know what you can and can not hear.



Oh thanks great hero of the Polk forum. Thanks for coming to save us. This forum would be a hell hole without you:rolleyes: You don't have very many here that would miss you if you left. A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it isn't open;) Do you act like an idiot to attract attention to yourself? Were you the kid whose tongue froze to the flagpole more than once?

so because i have an opinion it makes me an asshat, but all your other buddies who have their opinions here they are....what? genious?

I do agree with you, everyone hears things differently, in fact i have said this many a times here. But human auditory memory has been tested and IS measurable, but it is NOT the end say in this discussion. I was just stating my opinion just like every other member here likes to do

bigred7078

F1nut wrote: »

But isn't music a form of language? I believe it to be.

This is very true, that is why i dont claim what i said to be fact, but merely my opinion.

Do you ever listen to two set of cables once and decide which set you prefer? Most people will have to switch back and forth, back and forth (rinse and repeat) before they figure out all the nuances the cables provide to them. Why because we need to implant that memory into their minds.

merely my opinon.

F1nut

But human auditory memory has been tested and IS measurable

Interesting point.

I've been tested for auditory memory among other basic human skill tests. I scored in the 95th percentile. I also have a photographic memory.

heiney9

bigred7078 wrote: »

but its usually related to language and its meaning.

Care to provide some proof.............or should we just take your word for it.

F1nut

Do you ever listen to two set of cables once and decide which set you prefer?

That one can get tricky, but if both cables are burned in I can make up my mind rather quicky.

heiney9

bigred7078 wrote: »

This is very true, that is why i dont claim what i said to be fact, but merely my opinion.

Do you ever listen to two set of cables once and decide which set you prefer? Most people will have to switch back and forth, back and forth (rinse and repeat) before they figure out all the nuances the cables provide to them. Why because we need to implant that memory into their minds.

Yes, certainly. And I had to spend a school year with my 4th grade teacher to learn the same things in your example, so your point????

Do I remember the voice of the young lady who took my order at Starbucks this morning. Nope.

So again I say auditory memory is an amazing and very accurate phenomenon atleast in what I have personally experienced. But overall I tend to have an excellent memory.

heiney9

sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »

Yes i am ashamed that the admin/mod's allow you/other's to continue with your beligerant ignorance/flamming/insults/trolling.

I have NO intention's of leaving, on the contrary i am eager to make this a better place that is more welcoming to open, civil discussion where ALL can benefit/learn and enjoy/share this hobby without being accosted for having differing opinion's or product's :cool:

Seem's like the door has already hit ya a few too many time's....

I'm ashamed all you do is whine and **** and basically add nothing on topic. Get over yourself.

bigred7078

heiney9 wrote: »

Care to provide some proof.............or should we just take your word for it.

Sure...While i'm at it, show me something for your point of view :rolleyes:
again as i have stated a few times now, its my opinion. Stop trying to stir up trouble. I am not saying long term memory does not exist, so get over it already and stop taking everything i am saying to the extreme.

My sister is an Audiologist and did a lot of random research on this kind of stuff back in grad school. So we've had many a discussion because of my natural interest.

Here is one example. Look on pages 20-23. This is a great example for the both sides of this argument. Enjoy

http://books.google.com/books?id=fMgm-2NXAXYC&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=length+of+human+auditory+memory&source=bl&ots=jL_k0FmGHl&sig=ABYaKDSrU5wP-_nDIwUxCgfdYr8&hl=en&ei=MxkCS_S6EciBngekjNxu&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CA8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

ben62670

bigred7078 wrote: »

so because i have an opinion it makes me an asshat, but all your other buddies who have their opinions here they are....what? genious?

I do agree with you, everyone hears things differently, in fact i have said this many a times here. But human auditory memory has been tested and IS measurable, but it is NOT the end say in this discussion. I was just stating my opinion just like every other member here likes to do

Nope what I am saying is there are people here that act like total idiots and they have opinions based on brands alone. These people don't realize that good gear can sound bad in some systems. Mediocre gear can sound decent in some systems. A thing you need to learn is that becuase someone who has a lot of post, or been here a long time doesn't automatically become one of my buddies. What you will see, and hopefully learn is that those particular members have spent an awefull lot of time actually trying different gear, and hearing gear from other Polkies. It doesn't take long to figure out who actually knows there stuff and who doesn't. You also learn who has similar tastes to your's. You also may learn who actually helps others here, and behind the scenes. What does SnL have to contribute. Too many fools become fan boys and post opinions on gear they have never heard.

I have heard emo gear first hand. The XPA-5, XPA-2, and the PrePro. It is a good way to get into separates on the cheap. It is not great gear. It will sound better than most receivers. Someone posted that their emo sounded better than their Denon receiver. Nearly any amp with decent power is going to sound better than a receiver.

Now that comment you made about memory is inaccurate. You can't measure it? Say I can clearly remember a certain amps sound from 3 years ago, and you are telling me that means peoples auditory memory is 3 years. Please show me some figures on your thesis.

Thanks for the entertainment.

I am having fun shooting fish in a barrel.

I am not mad.

It is a disservice to the forum to post things like they are fact when it is usually opinion.

I am not Paul Harvey.
Good Day.

heiney9

The problem with what you posted (and I totally agree) is that the long term study measured how well someone could recall a series of sounds after not hearing them for certain longer intervals.

Many in the audio hobby listen to our rigs daily or weekly and many times to many of the same songs. I can tell you if I stopped listening to Norah Jones on my rig for 30 days and then you switched cables................it would take repetition again to notice the minor nuances. I'm not (nor ever said) saying that after say 30 days of total non-listening one could swap cables and at first listen tell the difference. But certainly in a situation where you are listening to the same rig, music continuously and then swapping gear.

I have gone approximately a week not listening to my rig and when listening again thought I had my tube pre in the circuit. After about 30 min something just didn;t sound right. After some investigation I found that while I thought the tube pre was switched into the loop; it wasn;t. I picked up on that, that something just didn't seem right.

H9

bigred7078

heiney9 wrote: »

The problem with what you posted (and I totally agree) is that the long term study measured how well someone could recall a series of sounds after not hearing them for certain longer intervals.

Many in the audio hobby listen to our rigs daily or weekly and many times to many of the same songs. I can tell you if I stopped listening to Norah Jones on my rig for 30 days and then you switched cables................it would take repetition again to notice the minor nuances. I'm not (nor ever said) saying that after say 30 days of total non-listening one could swap cables and at first listen tell the difference. But certainly in a situation where you are listening to the same rig, music continuously and then swapping gear.

I have gone approximately a week not listening to my rig and when listening again thought I had my tube pre in the circuit. After about 30 min something just didn;t sound right. After some investigation I found that while I thought the tube pre was switched into the loop; it wasn;t. I picked up on that, that something just didn't seem right.

H9

I believe you only read the long term auditory memory section, start on page 20. But like i said there are arguments for BOTH sides of the discussion in this link, that's why i posted it so its not completley biased.

Again i am no expert on this matter, just the same as all of you. We all have opinions. My statement was not made to be the end all. Certainly many of you can understand that as you have stated the same thing when i have questioned you.

hearingimpared

sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »

Yes i am ashamed that the admin/mod's allow you/other's to continue with your beligerant ignorance/flamming/insults/trolling.

I have NO intention's of leaving, on the contrary i am eager to make this a better place that is more welcoming to open, civil discussion where ALL can benefit/learn and enjoy/share this hobby without being accosted for having differing opinion's or product's :cool:

Seem's like the door has already hit ya a few too many time's....

Get lost!

louhamilton

2 pages since last night and we have not got anywhere. We're running around in circles here, people. It seems like a bunch of he said, she said bull$h!t. Aren't we all adults and have the same general interests? YES! then why can't we just move on. If you are not particularly fond of the gear being discussed, move on to a thread that is of more interest. I'm not hanging out in any threads I don't care about. It's a waste of my time.

Arguments about the same subject matter but minute differences in their understandings.

Actually everybody is correct to a degree. Short term memory is just that -- short. Long term memory is also just that -- long.

In order to get information from short term memory to long term memory it needs to be repeated. Think of grade school with the multiplication tables. Did you memorize the flash cards or were you lucky enough to be born the the instinct to know them? You had to repeat them time and time again. That is how we got them to our long term memory and why after all these years you can still recall 12x12 as being 144.

Same goes for music and peoples voices. Tones are stored in long term memory. That is why we can recognize a person's voice from our past or that a particular song on the radio is from a certain artist. However, the minute details between cable A and cable B may take a few times to go back and forth (I understand sometimes a cable can be so different it can slap you in the face. I'm not ignorant to the fact that it can happen. I'm talking generally). That is why it is recommended to use songs that you are quite familiar with. If you use a song that you have never heard or maybe don't even like, it will be far different to recognize any differences. In the end, you may hear differences, but the more important outcome is which one you like.

pearsall001

ben62670 wrote: »

In general the EMO owners believe too much of the hype. I have heard the XPA2 and 5. Both amps are an excellent deal for their price, but EMO and their owners tend to go a bit overboard about how great the amps are. That is what is laughable.

Talk about laughable...all the nauseating talk here about tubes, vinyl & MIT cables, if that doesn't make one bust a guy nothing will. I do love a good laugh!!!

EMO seems to be a great product at a great price, nothing wrong with that.

apphd

pearsall001 wrote: »

Talk about laughable...all the nauseating talk here about tubes, vinyl & MIT cables, if that doesn't make one bust a guy nothing will. I do love a good laugh!!!

EMO seems to be a great product at a great price, nothing wrong with that.

You and ben just basically said the same thing.
But before some one miss reads it, I want to point out that pearsall did not say it was the best thing going. IMHO he did not want to imply it nor is that what he thinks. Of course I have no way of knowing, just thinking maybe we can let this thread die out like others before wasting anymore of Polks bandwidth with it.

Face

pearsall001 wrote: »

Talk about laughable...all the nauseating talk here about tubes, vinyl & MIT cables, if that doesn't make one bust a guy nothing will. I do love a good laugh!!!

Have you ever tried MIT's?

When was the last time you heard a tube rig other than old Dynaco or Heathkit gear?

heiney9

Face wrote: »

Have you ever tried MIT's?

When was the last time you heard a tube rig other than old Dynaco or Heathkit gear?

He hasn't..................that's what's laughable and I have no beef with pearsall001 at all. Just have been noticing more and more he's always defending the troublemakers. He used to be pretty level headed with his posts but now they all seem to be derogitory towards anything that isn't entry level to mid level gear.

H9

bigred7078

heiney9 wrote: »

He hasn't..................that's what's laughable and I have no beef with pearsall001 at all. Just have been noticing more and more he's always defending the troublemakers. He used to be pretty level headed with his posts but now they all seem to be derogitory towards anything that isn't entry level to mid level gear.

H9

Perhaps it's because you are unreasonable at times.

heiney9

nm................not going there. I'm done with this thread

bigred7078

heiney9 wrote: »

nm................not going there. I'm done with this thread

lol whoops, i honestly forgot to add the smiley....it was a joke..well kind since i think we are all a bit unreasonable. Relax.