emotiva xpa5

heiney9

Wow, $10K in speakers and running them with a $700 amp :rolleyes:.

Someone needs to get some perspective. I mean seriously...........that is ridiculous IMO.

Just like the guy in the tone control thread who stated he was purist and then states he streams 128kbps mp3's thur a cheap soundcard to his reciever.........a purist

Oh well to each their own..............I will certainly never understand why someone would spend sooooooooo much money on speakers only to pair it with very mediocre gear.............I really can;t get my head around that.

H9

concealer404

Wasn't there just a thread where someone tried to say that amps and cables don't matter, it's only speakers that make a different, and the speakers are the only thing that produce the sound?

louhamilton

heiney9 wrote: »

Wow, $10K in speakers and running them with a $700 amp :rolleyes:.

Someone needs to get some perspective. I mean seriously...........that is ridiculous IMO.

Just like the guy in the tone control thread who stated he was purist and then states he streams 128kbps mp3's thur a cheap soundcard to his reciever.........a purist

Oh well to each their own..............I will certainly never understand why someone would spend sooooooooo much money on speakers only to pair it with very mediocre gear.............I really can;t get my head around that.

H9

Actually, it was closer to $1000 after shipping and their RCA cables.

I don't claim to be a purist, just an enthusiast. All my music is ripped in ALAC and streamed through my Apple TV. Unless, of course, I'm listening to my SA-CD's then I'm streaming DSD over HDMI to my Denon receiver.

And I agree it is ridiculous in your opinion. :rolleyes: At the time I bought my speakers, my Denon receiver just did not cut it. My speakers showed every flaw with the internal amps. I had to get an external amp. I did not have a huge budget, would not buy used gear, and found the EMO gear to fit in my budget. As of now, I'm very happy with my setup:

concealer404 wrote: »

Wasn't there just a thread where someone tried to say that amps and cables don't matter, it's only speakers that make a different, and the speakers are the only thing that produce the sound?

I don't buy that. I think electronics play a big part in the sound. Just go and listen to the same pair of speakers with a Pioneer, Onkyo, Denon, Sony receiver. That's not even getting into high-end electronics, just basic receivers can prove that argument as false.

I don't think you need to go crazy with price on getting cables and stuff since the speakers are the limiting factor. I'm not going to put a $2000 speaker wire on a HTiB speaker. Actually, I'm not sure if the return would be great enough to even use a $2000 speaker wire on my speakers. But I digress.

In the end, sound is subjective. You either like what you heard or you don't. Concealer, you have heard this first hand with your experience with the Emotiva amp.

No one can tell what someone else will like or dislike. I like Jazz, my wife doesn't. Do we need to get into a heated argument because we differ? No. We agree to disagree. I think in the end, my kids benefit the most since they experience a diverse array of music in the house. I listen to everything from Classical, Grunge, Punk, Heavy Metal, Alternative, Country, etc.

I think this thread just got majorly derailed, BTW,

apphd

heiney9 wrote: »

Wow, $10K in speakers and running them with a $700 amp :rolleyes:.
I think this is what he said: "I have since played with a Rotel 1575 with my B&W's at my house but the quality difference was not large enough to justify the price difference AT THIS TIME. I will probably just wait until I can afford the Classe gear since I think that sounds the best with my gear." I take this to say he found it to work for him for what he could spend at the moment. Better than having $10K speakers sitting around collecting dust.:rolleyes:
Someone needs to get some perspective. I mean seriously...........that is ridiculous IMO. Cool, but I don't think he told you or anyone else that they need to do what he did.

Just like the guy in the tone control thread who stated he was purist and then states he streams 128kbps mp3's thur a cheap soundcard to his reciever.........a purist
I never read (in these 2 posts) where louhamilton referred to himself as a purist. We can assume someone that owns $10k speakers and is saving for some Classe gear might be, just he never claimed it. As far as the other thread, kind of doesn't applie to lou's post since he did not say he was a purist.
Oh well to each their own..............I will certainly never understand why someone would spend sooooooooo much money on speakers only to pair it with very mediocre gear.............I really can;t get my head around that.
Subjectivity is brought up by many here for the obvious reasons, so "to each their own" is always a good consideration. "Understanding" I think that goes back to the finance end of it. He knows his journey is not finished.
H9

I told myself I was going to stay out of this, but so many agree here that overall the way these threads go is detrimental to CP. And reading of things not written in a post is part of why they go the way they do. This happens by those on both sides of this debate, so not picking you out heiney9 you just happened to be the most recent example of this, and I am probably not reading your post the way you intended, a well known flaw of a written communication.

heiney9

The thing is your wife actually listened to Jazz before she decided she didn't like. Many here dismiss expensive cables, gear, etc. without even trying it. That's the sad part. How many cables ahve you tried and how many amps, processors etc have you tried (outside of entry level stuff). You say it's a difference of opinion...............that's only the case if you can have an opinion based on hearing all the different levels of amps and cables in your rig. If you haven;t, then it not an opinion at all. It's a statement of assumption and that's the part I refer to as SAD. Since you have an excellent base of a system started which hasn't come close to reaching its potential.

Not slamming you or your system at all, it's very nice. Just capable of a whole lot more even if at this point your satisfied. That was my only point.

H9

heiney9

apphd wrote: »

I told myself I was going to stay out of this, but so many agree here that overall the way these threads go is detrimental to CP. And reading of things not written in a post is part of why they go the way they do. This happens by those on both sides of this debate, so not picking you out heiney9 you just happened to be the most recent example of this, and I am probably not reading your post the way you intended, a well known flaw of a written communication.

Well, the purist guy was an EXAMPLE, not refering to louhamilton in any way specifically. An EXAMPLE, a story with the underlying theme RELATED to this thread.

WilliamM2

heiney9 wrote: »

Wow, $10K in speakers and running them with a $700 amp :rolleyes:.

Is that the problem, these amps just don't cost enough?

So what is the correct amount to spend on $10,000 speakers?

louhamilton

apphd wrote: »

I told myself I was going to stay out of this, but so many agree here that overall the way these threads go is detrimental to CP. And reading of things not written in a post is part of why they go the way they do. This happens by those on both sides of this debate, so not picking you out heiney9 you just happened to be the most recent example of this, and I am probably not reading your post the way you intended, a well known flaw of a written communication.

Thanks. Agreed.

heiney9 wrote: »

The thing is your wife actually listened to Jazz before she decided she didn't like. Many here dismiss expensive cables, gear, etc. without even trying it. That's the sad part. How many cables ahve you tried and how many amps, processors etc have you tried (outside of entry level stuff). You say it's a difference of opinion...............that's only the case if you can have an opinion based on hearing all the different levels of amps and cables in your rig. If you haven;t, then it not an opinion at all. It's a statement of assumption and that's the part I refer to as SAD. Since you have an excellent base of a system started which hasn't come close to reaching its potential.

Not slamming you or your system at all, it's very nice. Just capable of a whole lot more even if at this point your satisfied. That was my only point.

H9

I understand where you are coming from. No, I have not tried out everything I can in my home. A lot has been listened to in dealers showrooms. I know this is not the BEST auditioning situation, but it is the only situation for some (including me). Since I bought my speakers, my dealer has been far more open to letting me try things in my home, but he is not the only game in town. There are other dealers who carry other products that I may want to consider.

As you mention people who dismiss the expensive stuff, you need to look on the flip side, there are others who feel the expensive things HAVE to be good. Monster is a good example of this. Just because a $300 1M HDMI cable says it is the best doesn't mean it is.

In regards to cables, that is a harder thing to judge. Since ones auditory memory is so short doing an A/B test is very difficult. There is either significant difference or your brain feels there is a difference. This could be because subconsciously you want **** to be better due to price/name/etc.

I have tried Blue Jeans Cables and Emotiva RCS IC's between my Denon receiver and Emotiva amp. IMO, the Emotiva sounded better. As far as price, they were within .50 of each other so price was not an issue. Quality-wise, I thought the BJC ones seemed to have the edge. Name... I could honestly care less. I felt the Emotiva produced a wider sound stage that was obvious. Yes, it was that much different.

Thanks for the compliment on my system, but I never said it was the bee's-knees and that I knew it had room to grow. It just wasn't in the finances at this time and, to be honest, I'm quite happy with what I have right now, especially since everything was paid for with cash and not put on credit.

NJPOLKER

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Is that the problem, these amps just don't cost enough?

So what is the correct amount to spend on $10,000 speakers?

You gotta be kidding me!!! That is a real stupid question. Any one with a small amount of intelligence can answer that for themselves.

WilliamM2

NJPOLKER wrote: »

You gotta be kidding me!!! That is a real stupid question. Any one with a small amount of intelligence can answer that for themselves.

Except you apparently, but maybe you are missing the small amount of intelligence. I'm serious, what is the correct amount to spend on amps for $10,000 speakers? Is there a formula?

concealer404

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Except you apparently, but maybe you are missing the small amount of intelligence. I'm serious, what is the correct amount to spend on amps for $10,000 speakers? Is there a formula?

Oh please.

Well in following with your opinion on cables, i'll give you the answer you're looking for:

While you're at Radioshack buying your ICs, go ahead and pick up a sherwood or technics receiver while you're there. It'll be fine. You can't hear the difference anyways.

hearingimpared

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Except you apparently, but maybe you are missing the small amount of intelligence. I'm serious, what is the correct amount to spend on amps for $10,000 speakers? Is there a formula?

Stir that pot Willy.

nooshinjohn

WilliamM2 wrote: »

So what is the correct amount to spend on $10,000 speakers?

how about 4k on Audiogon?;) For me I will always buy gear after it has been depreciated. Why pay 2 to three times more for new when you don't need to? This way I can have a killer system for far less. Speakers and amps are not as rapidly evolving as are other components.

vc69

I know one thing that would help these debates is a little grammatical prudence.

And the more heated it gets, the less coherent the arguments become.

What gets me is that the guys I agree with tend to be least effective at communicating their position.:eek:

It's comical and embarrassing.

heiney9

WilliamM2 is the poster boy for the absurd. Let's go to each of the extreme and pretend that's how we all make decision's.

For most hobbie and in life, common sense usually prevails. My point, and I will try very, very hard to bring it DOWN to WM2's level is that when one spends a certain amount of money in a hobby, it's natural to assume they spend at or close to that level while assembling components and pieces to further the hobby.

My question was not one of how much $$$ to spend, just that I found it odd to spend that kind of $$$ on speakers and then that much less (10x) on corresponding components. There is no formula or right and wrong way to assemble a system in this hobby.

It's just far from the norm to have such nice and capable speakers driven by a very mediocre piece and that's regardless of price.

I'm sure you won;t get it WM2 and make another absurd observation just to 1) see yourself in "lights" and get the attention your crave 2) because you like to stir the pot with completely irrational statements that are at one extreme or the other........ya know for dramatic effect.

ben62670

H9 all amps sound the same if the numbers match up;)

BTW anyone who can't tell I am being totally sarcastic.
As for an EMO driving B&W's it may work. After diving in the deep end of the pool with audio I have been surprised how much of a **** synergy is.

megasat16

My 2 Channel Bedroom Rig Consists of

Carver Amazing Platinum MKIV $1200 Driven By Onkyo Grand Integra M-510 Amplifier and Proceed PDSD+PAV Combo for the cost around 5K.

I think I must got things the other way around. LOL

Of coz, there is another dedicated 2 channel rig driven with all ML electronics about 10 times the cost of the speakers.

So, my formula goes - $1000 speakers needs the very best electronics one can afford. But of coz, the cost doesn't mean a thing. This is all about Synergy! One can spend 10K on speakers and 1K on electronics and it may sounds awesome till one wants to spend more money on the electronics to experiment a little further.

All in all, this is a Fun Fun Hobby and enjoying what you can afford and listening to the music than paying attention to the gears is most important.

But Emotiva threads are very entertaining and can lighten up the spirit! I love EMOTIVA!

concealer404

megasat16 wrote: »

My 2 Channel Bedroom Rig Consists of

Carver Amazing Platinum MKIV $1200 Driven By Onkyo Grand Integra M-510 Amplifier

I stopped listening and started drooling around there.

bigred7078

heiney9 wrote: »

My question was not one of how much $$$ to spend, just that I found it odd to spend that kind of $$$ on speakers and then that much less (10x) on corresponding components. There is no formula or right and wrong way to assemble a system in this hobby.

As a counterpoint, not everyone has the same ideas as you. There are many many people out there that believe the vast majority of money should be spent on speakers. Obviously you don't agree, but no need to tell him he needs "perspective" and that he is "ridiculous".

ben62670

I love EMO threads. The entertainment value is off the charts. F1nut said it best "sis boom bah!" don't get your panties in a bunch if you believe the hype;)

heiney9

It's my opinion and I'll use whatever words I feel are appropriate to get MY opinion across.

jimsvm

Isn't free speech a ****.

ben62670

H9 visit the EMO forum for a good laugh...

heiney9

Ben, I'm not one to go over to another forum and 1) really read anything I know in advance I won't agree with 2) go into another forum and make deragatory comments for the sake of making comments.

The PF is different because many of the comments are solicited by participating members in this forum (except for the occasional troll). And my view has always been, don;t ask if you're not going to like the answer.

WilliamM2

bigred7078 wrote: »

As a counterpoint, not everyone has the same ideas as you. There are many many people out there that believe the vast majority of money should be spent on speakers. Obviously you don't agree, but no need to tell him he needs "perspective" and that he is "ridiculous".

I find associating performance with price to be ridiculous, and in in the case of audio, absurd.

I have about $6K in speakers, and $3K in the amps that power them. Doesn't mean I wouldn't be open to trying less expensive amps.

ben62670

I am not going to join and start crap by stirring the pot, but I just popped in to take a look and the comments. The advertising fluff is worth a million in laughs. Again I am not like some of the AH members who like to pop in here just to start trouble.

WilliamM2

ben62670 wrote: »

H9 visit the EMO forum for a good laugh...

Plenty of laughs right here at CP. Just read some of the reviews.

NJPOLKER

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Except you apparently, but maybe you are missing the small amount of intelligence. I'm serious, what is the correct amount to spend on amps for $10,000 speakers? Is there a formula?

Willy,
You really are a troll. Also when I posted earlier that we have some **** around this forum, guess who is one of the guys I was referring to
Another stupid question highlighted in yellow. You just don't get it or maybe you do and just like being a troll.

louhamilton

Not sure which van by the river is yours, h9, but you're more than welcome to come by my house and hear what an $800 amp sounds like on $10K speakers.
And like I've alluded to before, there is no magic combination. It's really all subjective. What sounds good to one may not sound good to another person.

Why put thousands and thousands of dollars into a Ford Focus or a Honda Civic? If you want speed, just use that money to buy a Corvette or better, right?

I also have DIY Speaker cables, BJC HDMI cables and Emotiva IC's. I probably did not pay enough for those either. I also might get dinged because I am running D-Link Gig-E at my house with Monoprice Cat6 Ethernet cables.

I also buy my clothes at Wal-mart or Target (and sometimes from the J Crew Outlet), but carry Louis Vuitton or Gucci wallet. Is that any different? I drive a 1999 Honda Accord LX but it has the top of the line Goodyear tires. Is that ridiculous?

I can understand that you are shocked, but, IMO, it sounds fine, actually far better than what I had before with just a Denon receiver.

WilliamM2

NJPOLKER wrote: »

Willy,
You really are a troll. Also when I posted earlier that we have some **** around this forum, guess who is one of the guys I was referring to
Another stupid question highlighted in yellow. You just don't get it or maybe you do and just like being a troll.

If you don't know the answer, just say so. No need to be embarrased, Troll.