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  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited October 2009
    nspindel wrote: »
    Yes! Mono boxed set just arrived. Time to do some listening!!!

    Good to hear you got yours. Mine just shipped today. Can't wait.

    In the meantime, here's a few links to a rare Beatles track not found on any official releases. They should have included this on Anthology 3...it's a bit rough around the edges but exhibits the beginnings of a very cool song.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watching_Rainbows

    ""Watching Rainbows" is an unreleased song by The Beatles recorded on January 14, 1969 during the massive Get Back sessions at Twickenham Studios. It features John Lennon on lead vocal and electric piano, Paul McCartney on lead guitar, and Ringo Starr on drums; bass guitar is absent from the song because Paul McCartney is playing the absent George Harrison's usual role as lead electric guitar. George Harrison had temporarily left the group at this stage of the sessions."

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  • nspindel
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    edited October 2009
    Well, I see what all the mono hype has been about? Better??? Ummmmm... Yes??? No??? Dunno. Just different.

    The stereo version "tingles". Someone said it's like listening to the Beatles in hi-def. I agree. Words like "sparkles" and "shines" come to mind to describe it.

    The mono version I would say is more "pure". The Beatles are always a band that I can't help tapping my feet to the beat when I listen. But with the mono version, I wanted to tap harder. It's coming right at you, head on. There's something a bit heavier about it. Also, it's a cleaner mix. We all know the criticisms of the stereo versions. The left/right panning, the overdubbing, etc. When you take that away, things just sound "right". Notice I didn't say "better", that's a loaded word. A lot of the psychedelic reverb on songs like Lucy and Mr. Kite seem to have much better definition without all the extra overdubbing that the stereo versions are known for.

    I've still got a lot more listening to do, and I don't get instant gratification with my system. With a Squeezebox I've got to rip it all to the hard drive first. But after a first listen to mono Pepper, I'm definitely intrigued to listen to more albums, and not at all regretting purchasing both ;)
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited October 2009
    Ok, I gotta say, I am falling HARD into the mono camp. I've noticed this before with the mono mixes vs. stereo mixes from MFSL that I have, but it's even more pronounced on these. The ballads are really awful in stereo, now that I'm comparing back and forth. Yesterday in stereo sounds like it's coming through an echo chamber, where it's totally clean in mono. Check out both versions of If I Fell on Hard Day's Night. Again, tons of echo in stereo. After listening to the mono version, I'm almost finding the stereo version hard to listen to.

    Comparing the two versions is fascinating. For those of you with just the stereo version, you're really missing out on something great... Hate to spend your money for you, but the mono version is a must have.
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  • F1nut
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    edited October 2009
    Hmmmm....I'm looking forward to hearing a mono version, but mono has always left me wanting stereo. We'll see.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,455
    edited October 2009
    I am just wanting these releases in Vinyl... any word on when or if they are coming?
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  • Norm Apter
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    edited October 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I am just wanting these releases in Vinyl... any word on when or if they are coming?

    I've heard mid November as a release date for Beatles mono versions on vinyl, priced somewhere around $20-$25 a pop. As a non tt-owning individual, I'd bet that Peppers on vinyl is going to sound killer. Almost makes me want to jump into that medium.
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  • nspindel
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    edited October 2009
    Really? Wow, I hadn't heard that...
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  • nspindel
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    edited October 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    Hmmmm....I'm looking forward to hearing a mono version, but mono has always left me wanting stereo. We'll see.

    Here's my advice, if you get the opportunity to compare mono to stereo. Start with A Hard Days Night, and listen to "If I Fell" in stereo, just as a baseline listen to what you're used to hearing. You don't need to listen to the whole track, just listen to the first 30 seconds. Then listen to the mono version, and repeat the first 30 seconds 2 or 3 times. Then go back to the stereo version, and tell me if you still like it. Then do the same exact thing with Yesterday on Help!

    Curious to know your preference. On those two tracks, the differences just jump right out at you. Once you get that far, listen on and share some thoughts.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited October 2009
    Just received an email from Amazon that the mono set just shipped. It appears next weekend is now booked, or at least all night Friday.

    Other than buying the White Album when it was first released, this is my only Beatle purchase. I was always more a Rolling Stones, Animals, Kinks, etc. fan, but I did like the early Beatles when they were more R&R oriented.
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    edited October 2009
    nspindel wrote: »
    Here's my advice, if you get the opportunity to compare mono to stereo. Start with A Hard Days Night, and listen to "If I Fell" in stereo, just as a baseline listen to what you're used to hearing. You don't need to listen to the whole track, just listen to the first 30 seconds. Then listen to the mono version, and repeat the first 30 seconds 2 or 3 times. Then go back to the stereo version, and tell me if you still like it. Then do the same exact thing with Yesterday on Help!

    Curious to know your preference. On those two tracks, the differences just jump right out at you. Once you get that far, listen on and share some thoughts.


    Will do. :)
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited October 2009
    waiting to hear your thoughts, I have two ears so stereo is my bag. I can tell you on Pet Sounds I have both mono and stereo and prefer the stereo.

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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited October 2009
    I'm a/b'ing between mono vs. stereo on the White Album, second disc. I still can't decide which I like better. Some tunes sound better in stereo, some better in mono. But you know what, I can say one thing for sure. The White Album is SICK!
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  • Norm Apter
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    edited October 2009
    Mono set just arrived. I think I'm gonna have to go straight to Peppers. Will report back later...
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  • BlueFox
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    edited October 2009
    Norm Apter wrote: »
    Mono set just arrived. I think I'm gonna have to go straight to Peppers. Will report back later...

    Mine arrived Tuesday also. Now I have to decide whether to open it and play the music, or hold off and put it on eBay for $1000. Guess I will wait until I have had a few beers Friday to make up my mind. ;)
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited October 2009
    I ordered a bunch (12) from Amazon on Oct 17th with the free shipping option and they shipped the same day and I got them on the 18th. WooHoo. :cool::cool:

    I haven't had a chance to listen to them all yet, but I did get started.

    I'm impressed so far. Of course I've never owned an actual Beatles album at all to know the original sound, but I'm sure I'm going to track down some to do some comparisons, esp on the tracks that are commented on the most.

    Firstly, as I mentioned, I've never owned a Beatles album. I am completely unfamiliar with the chronology of the albums and what song is on what album. I am however familiar with quite a few of the tracks, hence the reason I picked up so many CDs--if the CD contained at least one or two tracks I liked I got it. I never realized how many albums the Beatles had. I'm likely going to get the other albums I didn't yet get to complete the collection.

    I really wanted to listen to them chronologically, but for some reason they decided not to put the original Copyright date on them and I wasn't near the computer to research so I randomly picked Revolver as the first CD I put in.
    I recognized a few tunes from this and several I never heard before. You know what, I've listened to this CD at least 4 times now and I really really like it. :D:cool: Especially some of the tracks I never heard before (ever).

    Two others I played didn't thrill me all that much, I forget which they were. But regardless, I am looking forward to adding 'NOS' to my list of favs.

    I'm also considering the mono versions, just based on some of the comments I've read here and elsewhere.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited October 2009
    I got a bit Beatle'd out after listening over and over again, but I put Revolver in tonight and I've got to say it again, Wow!!!
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  • Norm Apter
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    edited October 2009
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    I so I randomly picked Revolver as the first CD I put in.
    I recognized a few tunes from this and several I never heard before. You know what, I've listened to this CD at least 4 times now and I really really like it. :D:cool:

    Many "hard core" Beatle fans will claim that Revolver is the best album they ever produced. So....nice pick. I agree that it was a brilliant production with many innovative songs, a breakthrough of sorts. But Abbey Road still ranks at the top of my list for its sheer musicality. Second, with the sound offered by these re-issues, is the White Album. That album has truly come alive for me in a way it never would have with the old version.

    Yes, you owe it to yourself to listen to the old recordings just to get an idea of how much work they put into these remasters.

    Tonight, I did a 4-way comparison of "Drive My Car" on Rubber Soul. First, the 1987 release, then the mono and stereo versions available on the new mono -reissue and then the version on the single stereo re-issue. Well, of the four obviously the 1987 release was obivously far inferior and the stereo version on the mono CD (to make things confusing) was also definately inferior to the other two. I have to tell you though -- I had a hard time deciding which one I preferred between the mono version and the version on the stereo CD (which is based off of George Martin's remixing of the CD in 1987). I see likeable things in each, and thus I'm glad I have both. In the end, they're each so damn good that maybe it doesn't make sense to quibble so much over whats better.

    Again kudos to Apple for the craftmanship. A real class act.
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited October 2009
    I know I am getting in late on this but looking at the CD list, why did they not put the yesterday and today cd in the set?
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited October 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    I got a bit Beatle'd out after listening over and over again, but I put Revolver in tonight and I've got to say it again, Wow!!!
    I got somewhat Beatle'd out too but am charging again (I think the white album has most of the bests hits).

    EDIT:
    I know I am getting in late on this but looking at the CD list, why did they not put the yesterday and today cd in the set?
    Oh, never too late to do good ;)

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  • erniejade
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    edited October 2009
    LOl thank i was just suprised not to see the CD Yesterday and Today in the bunch. I have the LP of it so I thought it was a "regualr" release. ( no not the butcher block cover lol )
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  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited October 2009
    erniejade wrote: »
    LOl thank i was just suprised not to see the CD Yesterday and Today in the bunch. I have the LP of it so I thought it was a "regualr" release. ( no not the butcher block cover lol )

    No, it wasn't a "regular" release. Its comprised of songs that were previously included on Help, Rubber Soul, Revolver, (among others) as well as singles later included on the compilation Past Masters (II), basically representing "mid period" Beatles. Each of the albums from this era, including the later compiled Past Masters, is so good that it might be worth your while to pick up the stereo CDs of each. J&R has them on sale for 10.99 each, I think (at least they did not long ago).
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  • erniejade
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    edited October 2009
    I have the box set I do like it and I will admit it is better then any other cd version I have of them. BUT not to start a war here but, I think the LP still has a better sound. I am lucky enough to have a few of the originals like rubber soul, let it be, white, revolver, and the LP still has an edge to it .. this is just my opinion.

    I had no idea yesterday and today was a compilation! That would explain it!!
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  • F1nut
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    edited October 2009
    Many "hard core" Beatle fans will claim that Revolver is the best album they ever produced.

    It's always been mine.
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  • TECHNOKID
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    edited October 2009
    erniejade wrote: »
    I have the box set I do like it and I will admit it is better then any other cd version I have of them. BUT not to start a war here but, I think the LP still has a better sound. I am lucky enough to have a few of the originals like rubber soul, let it be, white, revolver, and the LP still has an edge to it .. this is just my opinion.

    I had no idea yesterday and today was a compilation! That would explain it!!
    I fully agree (LP is to CD as tubes are to SS, LPs rule:D)

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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited October 2009
    I picked up the remastered Rubber Soul earlier today! This is the first of the remasters that I've gotten.

    I haven't had a chance to sit down and intently listen to the whole thing, but the songs that I have listened to were sounding excellent!! The bass is a lot more prominent in the mix...and has a very nice snarl to it. The drums sound splendidly tight and natural, and can really be placed easily within the soundstage. The vocals are also a lot clearer, crisper...more REAL sounding.

    I can't wait to sit down and intently listen to it all the way through tomorrow. If the rest sounds as good as the tracks I've already listened to, it should be great!!

    I'm definitely going to be picking up the stereo box set before too much longer. I'm tossing around the idea of picking up a mono box set eventually too...but I don't know yet...
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  • BlueFox
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    edited October 2009
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    I'm definitely going to be picking up the stereo box set before too much longer. I'm tossing around the idea of picking up a mono box set eventually too...but I don't know yet...

    Mono is suppossed to be a limited edition collectors item so get that first. Only 10,000,000 copies made. ;)
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  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited October 2009
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Mono is suppossed to be a limited edition collectors item so get that first. Only 10,000,000 copies made. ;)

    Are you sure you don't have a few too many zeros there? 10 million?
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    edited October 2009
    Norm Apter wrote: »
    Are you sure you don't have a few too many zeros there? 10 million?

    I'm sure I do. I was joking. I read it was a limited release, but don't know how limited is defined for this release.
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  • comfortablycurt
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    edited October 2009
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Mono is suppossed to be a limited edition collectors item so get that first. Only 10,000,000 copies made. ;)

    eh...The stereo versions are more of a priority at the moment. I may pick up a mono set sometime down the road, but it won't be anytime soon. I'd rather take that extra money and buy some other CD's with it.
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  • F1nut
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    edited October 2009
    It was originally going to be a limited edition of 10,000. Since they sold out before the release, EMI has made more, a lot more.
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