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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited September 2009
    Put 'em in a museum, baby!!! Relics of the past :)
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  • nspindel
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    edited September 2009
    Hey anyone have any comments on the remasters vs the Love cd? I'm listening to that right now to "warm up"
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  • BrettT1
    BrettT1 Posts: 560
    edited September 2009
    ...some of that mono stuff seems to be alright. I might have to buy a couple different albums, one of each mono and stereo to be sure...:)
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  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited September 2009
    Just listening to Abbey Road now and what strikes me is Ringo's drumming. Might not be world class drummer but at least on this one it is "just what the doctor ordered"...nice subtle flair with a whole array of different tones come across. A true craftsman. This just goes to reinforce my conviction that down to the very end the Beatles were always so much greater than the sum of their individual parts.

    OK, now as I'm typing I'm listening to Maxwell's Silver Hammer and really hearing this kind of funky keyboard that I've not heard before...the discoveries keep piling up.

    Oh, and I don't believe anybody has mentioned the packaging. Simply stunning. A great set of photographs, for example, from Spring and Summer 1969 are included in the Abbey Road booklet in high qulaity gloss paper. I haven't seen anything like this type of packaging quality before.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
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    Oh, and I don't believe anybody has mentioned the packaging. Simply stunning.

    Good point and I agree.
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  • jon s
    jon s Posts: 905
    edited September 2009
    The mono packaging is excellent as well... the CDs are placed inside vinyl sleeves (like the old sleeves audiophile LPs used to come in). The CD jackets themselves are replicas of the old LP jackets and the CDs themselves are printed with replicas of the center labels of the LPs... pretty cool...
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  • vc69
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    edited September 2009
    Norm Apter wrote: »
    OK, now as I'm typing I'm listening to Maxwell's Silver Hammer and really hearing this kind of funky keyboard that I've not heard before...the discoveries keep piling up.

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  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited September 2009
    Though I ordered the Mono set from Amazon yesterday $229 shipped, they of course are currently out of stock ("will ship in 3-6 weeks"). Well, I have discovered that CD Pacific has the mono box set in stock and available at $216 and change (plus $5 shipping). So I just canceled my Amazon order and placed an order through CD Pacific.

    I just thought I'd pass this along to anyone interested in picking this up sooner rather than later at a fairly good price (though they are listing the item as "low stock")

    http://www.cdpacific.com/CDitem.asp?ID=1753008
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited September 2009
    I picked up Abbey Road today as a single remastered CD.. it sounds quite good.. but it really makes me realize how poor sounding my system is now. UGH!

    I NEED A BETTER CDP!!!!!!! :mad:

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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2009
    I just listened to Abbey Road. It sounds...good, or should I say cool. I think they did a great job "enhancing" the recordings, but this is definitely not the original sound:

    -recording sounds way too hot.
    -overemphasized bass.
    -sounds way too digital, if that makes any sense.
    -I think I heard some distorted vocals.

    So yes, it does sound good, but I think I would get tired of listening to this.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
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    Has anyone had a chance to compare any of the remasters to the tracks on Love?
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  • pmckeealaska
    pmckeealaska Posts: 808
    edited September 2009
    Boy, I'd have to disagree with Ricardo on Abbey Road. i think it has a new depth to it now. The bottom end (bass and drums) are finally an equal part of the music. I always detected a bit of distortion on the vocals, particularly on Come Together, even on my original vinyl. Seperation of vocals (see "Because") is stellar. This has always been my favorite of the Beatles canon and the remaster only adds to this feeling.
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  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited September 2009
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    Has anyone had a chance to compare any of the remasters to the tracks on Love?

    I just did an A/B of the Love version of "Drive My Car" with that on the newly remastered (Stereo version) of Rubber Soul.

    Though of course the Love version was remixed (and thus has additives that make a direct comparison a little tricky), I've concluded that the sound on the new remaster of Rubber Soul is clearly superior to that on Love. One thing my ears picked out with greater clarity immediately, for example, was the cowbell (?...at least it sounds like a cowbell). It really jumps out at you in fullness with new remastered version.

    But Love is still such a great compilation for what it is...in fact I've gotten so used to some of the mixes that I kind of expected, for example, "Drive My Car" to transition into "What You're Doing"
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited September 2009
    YES!!!!! Just got home from work and there was the Amazon box:D

    Abbey Road ripping to hard drive now so I can start pumping through the Squeezebox, should be done in a few minutes. Pepper is up next. Should be a fun night. Wish I could stay up all night doing a Beatles fest, but I'm going to my personal trainer at 8:30 am :mad:

    Here we go, tubes are warming up downstairs and should be just about ready to go!!!
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  • nspindel
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    edited September 2009
    This is, ummmm, good.........
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited September 2009
    Really, really good. So much detail and clarity. I'm up to Sun King, now, can't wait till about 45 seconds and hear Paul jamming away on Mr. Mustard...
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited September 2009
    That bass line hard left on Mustard just kicks ****. So sweet. I am in heaven right now! Loving the lead guitar hard right on Bathroom Window.

    Ok, I'll stop now. You've all heard it already!
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited September 2009
    Having the MFSL's, I have to say it's been a while since I listened to the originals. I barely remembered how bad they sound. One of the nice things about listening to this through the Squeezebox is it's really easy to do a/b's. I'm listening to Sgt. Pepper, and just to do a quick compare, I inserted the original Lucy into the playlist right after the remastered version. Oh man, this is crap compared to the new. I need to do more of this type of comparing after I get through just sitting back and enjoying these. That should be good fun. I've got a huge Beatles collection - for Abbey Road I've got the original, the Ebbett's needle drops, two different bootlegs of the MFSL vinyl, the Black Triangle needle drop, and now the remaster. That'll keep me busy for a while...
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited September 2009
    Ricardo wrote: »
    I just listened to Abbey Road. It sounds...good, or should I say cool. I think they did a great job "enhancing" the recordings, but this is definitely not the original sound:

    -recording sounds way too hot.
    -overemphasized bass.
    -sounds way too digital, if that makes any sense.
    -I think I heard some distorted vocals.

    So yes, it does sound good, but I think I would get tired of listening to this.

    Ummm...what you are hearing is dynamic sound hitting the way it should. These are remastered, not remixed. There was no enhancing of the recordings, rather you're getting to hear what was always there.
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  • messiah
    messiah Posts: 1,790
    edited September 2009
    Just grabbed it tonight.Haven't listened to the Beatles for a while, but it does sound pretty good. :)
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited September 2009
    but this is definitely not the original sound

    Well, you're right. The remasters are simply more organic. I've been going back and forth between a Japanese copy of Revolver and the new one. The new one has a fuller sound, greater detail, more depth and a blacker background. The original is flat and lifeless in comparision. For example, on "Taxman" there is a cowbell in the right channel. On the new one, you have no doubt that it's a cowbell while on the original it's so dull that you barely notice it. On the original the bass at the beginning sounds more like a dull thud while on the remaster it sounds solid and alive. I'd say it's approaching what one hears from SACD and that's a good thing.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited September 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    You guys are killing me. I gotta wait at least a month before I can pick these up...

    From another thread:
    Keiko wrote: »
    I think it's great! I'm gunna save a ton of dough on the wife's vibrator batteries when this hits the market. :p

    Low on cash??:D
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  • nspindel
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    edited September 2009
    Norm Apter wrote: »
    Though I ordered the Mono set from Amazon yesterday $229 shipped, they of course are currently out of stock ("will ship in 3-6 weeks"). Well, I have discovered that CD Pacific has the mono box set in stock and available at $216 and change (plus $5 shipping). So I just canceled my Amazon order and placed an order through CD Pacific.

    I just thought I'd pass this along to anyone interested in picking this up sooner rather than later at a fairly good price (though they are listing the item as "low stock")

    http://www.cdpacific.com/CDitem.asp?ID=1753008


    Oh well.... there went another $221:p Guess I'm not waiting. Thanks Norm!
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  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited September 2009
    Glad I could help you spend your money!

    By the way, here is a link to a pretty cool dual interview with George Martin and son Giles. Of course they collaborated on the Love project and it seems Giles played a seminal role in the production of the Beatles Rock Band game (I'm NOT a gamer!)

    Anyway, its a brief but pretty good piece that touches on stuff like the Abbey Road studios.

    http://magazine.wsj.com/hunter/the-partnership/george-and-giles-martin/
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  • reeltrouble1
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    edited September 2009
    Ricardo wrote: »
    I just listened to Abbey Road. It sounds...good, or should I say cool. I think they did a great job "enhancing" the recordings, but this is definitely not the original sound:

    -recording sounds way too hot.
    -overemphasized bass.
    -sounds way too digital, if that makes any sense.
    -I think I heard some distorted vocals.

    So yes, it does sound good, but I think I would get tired of listening to this.


    I read where the engineers were careful with any limiting, there was a slight bit used, but very judiciously and only when it was found to help clarify a passage, there were no unilateral decisions made by an one engineer at Abby Road, great care was taken to protect dynamic's, there would be several listening sessions with breaks in between, in no way did the engineers make the recordings hot or loud.

    This is not a re-mix, it is a remaster, in a remaster nothing is added to the orginal mix, no extra bass, treble, etc.. the goal was more space and clarity of course the weakness/strength of any given system for playback will be unique.

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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited September 2009
    Couldn't find anything either in Ottawa or Gatineau. Guy at BB in Gatineau said it took only 1/2 hour to sell their stock. He said there was only 13K copies for Canada, hope this is baloney, I know Canada is small country population wise but not that small. Apparently COSTCO in Gatineau had a few sets for 189$, didn't last too long and apparently is now back order :mad:
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited September 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Thanks for the tip, I ordered a second mono set. I'll see which arrives first.

    Just realized cdpacific is outta stock. Looks like I'm waiting a while...
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  • pmckeealaska
    pmckeealaska Posts: 808
    edited September 2009
    So I ordered the Mono Set on the 30th of August and knew it would be a while before I actually had it in my hands, but the shipping process seems painfully slow. I bought the set off of the Beatles web site and it says it was shipped in the 17th of this month. It is going through FedEx Smartpost. The delivery date says October 8th! What the hell are they shipping it up here on, a mule? I paid $23.95 for shipping and this seems over the top pricey for such slow delivery. Am I being unreasonable here?
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    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited September 2009
    pmckeealaska wrote: »
    So I ordered the Mono Set on the 30th of August and knew it would be a while before I actually had it in my hands, but the shipping process seems painfully slow. I bought the set off of the Beatles web site and it says it was shipped in the 17th of this month. It is going through FedEx Smartpost. The delivery date says October 8th! What the hell are they shipping it up here on, a mule? I paid $23.95 for shipping and this seems over the top pricey for such slow delivery. Am I being unreasonable here?


    I thought stuff had to wait for winter and be trucked over ice roads to you guys! :D;):p

    Yeah - seems like you aren't getting the value for the price - but - not sure what "Smartpost" is....

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  • pmckeealaska
    pmckeealaska Posts: 808
    edited September 2009
    Ah yes, the Ice Roads...that must be it!

    Actually, if I lived in some bush community up here I might understand the long transit time, but jeez, I live in the biggest city in the state! I think Smartpost is just 4th class shipping under another name, which I'd be fine with, if I wasnt charged almost $24 for it!

    Yep, Anchorage is a pretty cool place. You can have city life and wilderness all in the same general area!
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