Studies On Residential Power Line Noise - Part 8: Audio Grade Fuses For Home Theater

DarqueKnight

When do you have time to visit other boards? I thought we had your undivided attention.

Face

Unfortunately, I have a short attention span and there aren't enough pictures here for me.

gonzalc3

Darqueknight

I read your reviews about the power port premier vs the power port, and the one about the soloist premier... In some parts you mention that in terms of the subwoofer you found some improvement by adding the pp but I got confuse about the soloist.. Since you end up saying something that at least you got protection by adding it...

I am thinking on replacing my soloist with the special edition one where I plug my ac conditioner that has the projector, preamp, player ,etc.. And use the soloist with the subwoofer (and of course replace the sub's power cord).... Do you think that will be an improvement by doing so? I have the subwoofer and the rest of the equipment in separate ac circuits....

WilliamM2

Now, discussion/debating threads are also a good thing but personnally this one is a review not a debate and should be respected in that way.

It's a review? Maybe it shouldn't be titled "Studies On Residential Power Line Noise - Part 8:".

DarqueKnight

gonzalc3,

I will answer your question in the Soloist thread.

gonzalc3

Thanks DK!

I will really appreciate it....

TECHNOKID

WilliamM2 wrote: »

It's a review? Maybe it shouldn't be titled "Studies On Residential Power Line Noise - Part 8:".

William, studies reviews they both report one's finding during his/her own personal testing. If one is to arguee the veracity of his/her findings he/she should do so by presenting his/her own testing in order to contradict one poster claim.

Simply trashing the poster's experience or claiming he/she is a fiction writer doesn't cut it for me. You can object by posing a question or bringing pertinent argument which will give the OP or any other poster a chance to give you an answer to your scepticism. I have checked the discussion from post 1 to now and yet the only thing I have seen is some trying to bash the findings without providing any valid technological, physical and/or logical reasons for the bashing.

When one calls balony on one's claim, he/she should be able to provide valid reasons with supporting evidences to do so. As I have mentioned, I am quite sceptical of all the cabling tweekings many claimed to be so benificial to their system however, unless I have absolute proofs of the opposite of what the OP is claiming, I will read but refrain from bashing his/her own claim.

We all have to keep an open mind and try to understand as none of us has the absolute truth. While technical theory is a must for one to be in line with reality, we also must realize that the theory originally came from experimenting as nothing became theory until someone has proved it to be truth by successfull experimenting. Many of the things that are a reality today were believed to be fiction not so many years ago.

With the extent and depth of today's technology, if one was open minded and just a tiny bit educated, even while being sceptical he/she could not discard the possibilty of such an existing fuse. As I pointed out, we all know many different type of fuses exist for different jobs. I don't claim to have degrees or such a high education but my technical training along with experience will not allow me to discard the existence of such a fuse since I realize that in this day and age such a fuse could be produced. The only valid possibility for me to discard the existence of such a fuse would be to actually buy some and do my own testing otherwise my argument would be futile and a big waiste of time. One can object but need the meat to do so.

Cheers!
TK

heiney9

bikezappa wrote: »

I have asked you many technical circuit questions many times and you have not answered.

I have also complimented you on your many old SDA modification threads in the past.

You have called me names and I have responded back in a similar manner.

My response was childish and I will not do so in the future.

You can't push rope.

You do realize you are on ignore and he can't possibly see your questions? He told you this in another thread a few months ago.

H9

P.s. Don;t you read all the posts in a thread? That would explain alot if you don't.

heiney9

WilliamM2 wrote: »

It's a review? Maybe it shouldn't be titled "Studies On Residential Power Line Noise - Part 8:".

Are you serious??????? Now you are debating how someone titles their own thread? JKC, you are a piece of work!!! Next you'll be questioning his screen name.

H9

treitz3

DarqueKnight wrote: »

Proper skepticism is a good thing.

Ridiculing a concept and ridiculing the people who embrace that concept just because you don't understand it is not a good thing.

Doing the aforementioned without actually trying said concept is just plain stupid. If everybody was like that, the wheel would have never been invented. That's right. I said it.

bikezappa

DarqueKnight wrote: »

TK,

Any competent physicist knows that AC does not actually reverse "direction". When you plug a television into an AC socket does the energy flow back and forth between the TV and the wall? Of course not. How would any electricity get to the TV if it was constantly jumping back and forth, or "reversing direction" between the wall and the TV? The voltage, or the force that pushes the current, swings between a maximum and a minimum value, but the net flow of energy (electrical current) is forward from the wall to the TV.

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Unfortunatly all definitions of AC Alternating Current disagree with DK.

http://www.answers.com/topic/alternating-current

I checked the definition at a few other places and they all stated the same thing. The Current and the Voltage changes directions.

AC is very similar to switching the battery terminals periodically. In the case of your home, 120V AC outlet changes directions or polarity 120 times per second.

dcmeigs

Jezzzz guys. That about eight pages of vitrol now.

I have just one question: If these little fuses are so worthy of inquiry and endless debate, why not cut one open and have a look around?

reeltrouble1

DarqueKnight wrote: »

Clarification: I did not say, or even mean to imply, that the porcupine was dead. Empirical evidence indicates that the poor critter is very much alive and likes its cozy new home.:)

so in this case then its not a purely resistive device, but current(ly) digging in against the forces of pressure?? that damm empirical evidence, hate it when it mucks things up with that theory.

now I will say the bobman has taken a hard ball, caught it, smiled, and carried on, good for him.

After all the sabre rattling, war dances, gunfights at high noon, I have decided Ohms Law does not say that a fuse cannot alter an audio or any other signal passed through it.

Thanks for the fine review DK, the finding concurs with numerous others I have read from respected individuals in the audio field who also found the fuses improved SQ, a not so costly tweak that I would certainly give a try before pebbles.

RT1

DarqueKnight

I'm going to have to set aside considerations and ponderings on porcupines and pebbles for now.

I'm still struggling with the concept that my AC current is bouncing back and forth, like a ping pong ball, between the wall and whatever device it is connected to.

Perhaps Einstein's apprentice will drop by later to share further insights and enlightenment.

gonzalc3

DarqueKnight wrote: »

I'm going to have to set aside considerations and ponderings on porcupines and pebbles for now.

I'm still struggling with the concept that my AC current is bouncing back and forth, like a ping pong ball, between the wall and whatever device it is connected to.

Perhaps Einstein's apprentice will drop by later to share further insights and enlightenment.

LOL!

The thing that is most amazing is that these litle tweaks actually work...

hearingimpared

DarqueKnight wrote: »

I'm going to have to set aside considerations and ponderings on porcupines and pebbles for now.

I'm still struggling with the concept that my AC current is bouncing back and forth, like a ping pong ball, between the wall and whatever device it is connected to.

Yea, I didn't get that one either.

DarqueKnight

For those puzzled regarding the identity of Einstein's apprentice, just be aware that Einstein was a reknowned physicist. Therefore, any apprentice Einstein would have would be a physicist too.;)

Such good science.

DarqueKnight

hearingimpared wrote: »

Yea, I didn't get that one.

I will attempt to clarify it for you, although I don't expect that I will do as good a job as someone who is more rigorously trained in electrical theory.

Here's how it (allegedly) works according to Einstein's apprentice:

1. The power company sends AC current to your house and it sits there in the wall receptacle waiting for you to plug in an electrical device.

2. When you plug in an electrical device, the AC current travels along the power cord, but it reverses direction every 1/60th of a second. That means that:

A. First the current comes out of the wall.
B. Then it goes back in.
C. Then it comes back out again.
D. Then it goes back in.

This process keeps repeating as long as the electrical device is plugged in and turned on.

Therefore, according to Einstein's apprentice, a directional device placed in series on an AC power line would have no effect on account of the current bouncing back and forth like a ping pong ball.

Why do you find this hard to understand? I'm struggling with it because I'm only a science fiction writer. I thought you already were familiar with this basic technical concept since you are one of them awedeeOHfiles.

hearingimpared

DarqueKnight wrote: »

I will attempt to clarify it for you, although I don't expect that I will do as good a job as someone who is more rigorously trained in electrical theory.

Here's how it (allegedly) works according to Einstein's apprentice:

1. The power company sends AC current to your house and it sits there in the wall receptacle waiting for you to plug in an electrical device.

2. When you plug in an electrical device, the AC current travels along the power cord, but it reverses direction every 1/60th of a second. That means that:

A. First the current comes out of the wall.
B. Then it goes back in.
C. Then it comes back out again.
D. Then it goes back in.

This process keeps repeating as long as the electrical device is plugged in and turned on.

Therefore, according to Einstein's apprentice, a directional device placed in series on an AC power line would have no effect on account of the current bouncing back and forth like a ping pong ball.

Why do you find this hard to understand?

You mean the current doesn't flow foward . . . what a revelation!

DarqueKnight

hearingimpared wrote: »

You mean the current doesn't flow foward . . . what a revelation!

Apparently not. I have it on good authority that the AC current changes both POLARITY and DIRECTION every 1/60th of a second.

Now, I bet even an experienced awedeeOHfile like you didn't know that AC had POLARITY did you? C'mon...admit it.

Einstein's apprentice is wicked SMAAT!!

garageinc

отлично, значит всё в поряде !

bikezappa

garageinc wrote: »

отлично, значит всё в поряде !

Exactly!

Monster Jam

bikezappa wrote: »

Exactly!

I concur as well.

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iskandam

I recently replaced the stock fuses on my subwoofer, media player, and amplifier with the AMR Gold Fuses. Couple of interesting observations. I tried both directions on the new fuses in each component. I didn't notice any change in sound on the subwoofer and media player, but BIG difference with the amp. I don't have a multimeter to measure polarity but in one direction the amp sounds smoother and more relaxed, with the fuse installed the other direction there is more detail and hf extension. The difference is not subtle and immediately noticeable. I'd describe the change as comparable to switching stock power cord with a high quality aftermarket one.

I wouldn't have believed any of this if I hadn't tried it and heard the change myself.

tonyb

iskandam wrote: »

I wouldn't have believed any of this if I hadn't tried it and heard the change myself.

Need I say more ?

leftwinger57

Wow, this thread was way before my time. It's still amazes me when you have a proven PHd. and maybe another doctor going at it. All through science theories have been debated, debunked or proven as science fact. There's always been competion even among sceintists on the same project(many on the Manhattan Project couldn't agree until Fermi and Oppenheimer pulled the team together) and then you have 2 people working in 2 different countries on the same project and not know like the race for the jet engine w/ England's Frank Whittle and Germany w/ Dr. Hans Von Oheim just as 1 minor example. Where does that leave me in a 55 y/o apt with brittle aluminum wiring. I do have circuit breakers and not glass fuses and I hear nothing but music and only music. Lucky I guess.

tonyb

He's talking about fuses in gear, not your home LW. LOL

My point was to the fact that someone tried it on their own and heard for themselves the changes that can occur. Where have I heard that before ?? Hmmm....

DarqueKnight

djwest78 wrote: »

Really? How do the LSi blend with the SDA SRS?

Sorry for the delay in responding. I am just now running across your question. Due to a glitch in the forum software, I (and some others) no longer get email notification when someone responds to a thread I'm subscribed to.

The LSis blend with the SRSs very well. There is no glaring timbre shift as sounds move from side to center to the other side through the LSi9s. The LSi15s I use for surrounds also blend in well with the SRSs. I do have to use dual LSi9s for centers because one LSi9 did not match the sonic weight of the SRSs. I also disconnected the tweeter of one of the LSi9s for a more balanced sound.