Emotiva CD player a big hit so far

bigred7078

megasat16 wrote: »

Great Post H9! You hit the nail on the head and it's all that's really matter but some EMO fan boys seem to take a bit too serious about EMO reference quality. Since I've read a whole bunch of the term Reference on all XPA series amps on EMO website long ago, I no longer pay attention to what EMO called their products Reference but some EMO lovers can't let it go.

EMO offers reasonable quality product at Bang for the Buck and take it as it is.

To die hard EMO lovers, there is a whole different world out there which is above and beyond what EMO can offer so indulge yourself in different gears.....:) Listen to others' stuff, compare to your EMO stuff, and then decide what's best for you. If you like EMO, it's awesome. But just give other products a chance (by listening and comparing) just as much as you want EMO to be given a chance....:)

what some of you fail to realize is that no one is this thread has said Emotiva is the end all. Not once in fact. In fact i often recommend other products. Its just tiring to see the same people on here go out of their way to make snide comments and bash on emotiva.

In fact in the past several threads about Emotiva on this forum, no one has even said Emotiva is way better than anythign else. Many of you have just become conditioned to believe that is what people will say/ or think. People have just said it has compared to some more expensive gear. Then the usuals get all bent out of shape and act like they said nothing else could be better.

bigred7078

heiney9 wrote: »

No one has come right out and stated Emo gear is a giant killer, but they way people vigorously defend it's existence and constanly try to compare it to higher end gear leads a reasonable person to deduce that's what being said.

H9

People vigorously defend it here because some of you go out of your way to smear emotivas name.

bigred7078

W WALDECKER wrote: »

Why do you give a rats **** about peoples negative opinions regarding Emotiva ? are you a Shill ? Whats in it for you ? you just happened to be in the neighborhood ?

at least i own the product...


Why do some of you who claim to care less about emotiva feel the need to spend so much of your time fighting and posting about it???? If it was no big deal you would think you would just leave it alone.

SCompRacer

jinjuku wrote: »

Come on over to AVSForum/..........sometime to see what non-douchery is like.

OK, I did. Went to the Two Channel forum. Spotted this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1149039

Basic content. Not all responses shown. (There were some fair remarks).

Dennis Murphy and Danny Richie
________________________________________
Are these guys both excellent crossover designers?

By reputation yes, but if you have read some of Danny’s posting on various Forums, you will find that he strongly believes in speaker break in and (I’m guessing here) the Loch Ness Monster.:)

Technically, from what I've read, I'd give the nod to Murphy. He is less likely to deal with minutae and trivialities while taking a less flamboyant, self-promoting approach.

Seconded. Bad enough that he touts speaker break in, Ritchie lost whatever of my respect remained for him when he dismissed Dick Pierce as incompetent on the Audioholics forum about the topic.

Of course I won't judge the entire forum or all the members there by this one thread, but I do see some douchery.;)

I'm pretty sure that both gentleman are a sight better than all of the chest-puffing experts around here. Beyond that, any one might prefer Danny over Dennis or vice versa, but they would have to listen to some speakers first.

A good response, I think. I am responsible for the bold highlight.

F1nut

Let's look at that 1V rms output voltage again. There are two possible reasons for this. One would be that it has a weak power supply, but the more likely reason is because it's a noisy player and by limiting the output voltage to such a low amount it would help it sound better by not passing on so much of the noise. The downside of such a low output voltage is that it can't really be used with a passive pre amp or a low gain pre amp, so matching would be much more critical than normal. Therefore, this would greatly limit one's choices and in turn, the chances of finding that all important synergy.

megasat16

bigred7078 wrote: »

what some of you fail to realize is that no one is this thread has said Emotiva is the end all. Not once in fact. In fact i often recommend other products. Its just tiring to see the same people on here go out of their way to make snide comments and bash on emotiva.

In fact in the past several threads about Emotiva on this forum, no one has even said Emotiva is way better than anythign else. Many of you have just become conditioned to believe that is what people will say/ or think. People have just said it has compared to some more expensive gear. Then the usuals get all bent out of shape and act like they said nothing else could be better.

I also didn't say anyone in this thread has said EMOTIVA is the end all. I implore others to venture into different brand and different products and compare. There is a whole world full of Audio gears and manufacturers to enjoy and to experiment. I implore EMOTIVA owners to listen to others' stuff and compare. If they like EMOTIVA, it's AWESOME and I am happy for them. It's like YMMV. Not everyone likes oranges and not everyone likes Apples.

That's why I liked H9 post. His friend and he compared and his friend likes the EMO. I also think H9 is happy about it. It's all that really matters...

For $450 EMOTIVA reference player to compete with others, we need to give a listen to it. Also, EMOTIVA reference player owners have to listen to other brands and make a fair comparison. There are tens of $400 range players out there which does what EMO does....If EMOTIVA is truly superior, I will hail for EMOTIVA. How's that sound for you?

I am not sure you aware of another thread to purchase EMOTIVA Reference Player with the community efforts. Some of us agrees to chip in a few bucks to buy the EMOTIVA player. I don't know it's going to happen for real or not but I am hoping it would. So, we all know what's left when the fog is lifted.

W WALDECKER

bigred7078 wrote: »

at least i own the product...


Why do some of you who claim to care less about emotiva feel the need to spend so much of your time fighting and posting about it???? If it was no big deal you would think you would just leave it alone.

I have zero opinion about Emotiva positive or negative.However i do have a very negative opinion about A-holes who come here just to start **** and use Club Polk to conduct pissing matches. I disagree with many people here on numerous subjects but we still manage to remain friends and just agree to disagree. You people who come from God knows where keep F#cking up Club Polk and somthing needs to change :mad:

haimoc

F1nut wrote: »

Let's look at that 1V rms output voltage again. There are two possible reasons for this. One would be that it has a weak power supply, but the more likely reason is because it's a noisy player and by limiting the output voltage to such a low amount it would help it sound better by not passing on so much of the noise. The downside of such a low output voltage is that it can't really be used with a passive pre amp or a low gain pre amp, so matching would be much more critical than normal. Therefore, this would greatly limit one's choices and in turn, the chances of finding that all important synergy.

Well said.. Thanks, Jesse. I am out of this thread.

Toolfan66

Deleated!!

Systems

F1nut wrote: »

Let's look at that 1V rms output voltage again. There are two possible reasons for this.

Or a misprint.The manual claims a standard 2 VRMS output.

jinjuku

GV#27 wrote: »

Or a misprint.The manual claims a standard 2 VRMS output.

The manual is a misprint. The output is 1 volt nominal and 7 volts peak.

bigred7078

megasat16 wrote: »

I also didn't say anyone in this thread has said EMOTIVA is the end all. I implore others to venture into different brand and different products and compare. There is a whole world full of Audio gears and manufacturers to enjoy and to experiment. I implore EMOTIVA owners to listen to others' stuff and compare. If they like EMOTIVA, it's AWESOME and I am happy for them. It's like YMMV. Not everyone likes oranges and not everyone likes Apples.

That's why I liked H9 post. His friend and he compared and his friend likes the EMO. I also think H9 is happy about it. It's all that really matters...

For $450 EMOTIVA reference player to compete with others, we need to give a listen to it. Also, EMOTIVA reference player owners have to listen to other brands and make a fair comparison. There are tens of $400 range players out there which does what EMO does....If EMOTIVA is truly superior, I will hail for EMOTIVA. How's that sound for you?

I am not sure you aware of another thread to purchase EMOTIVA Reference Player with the community efforts. Some of us agrees to chip in a few bucks to buy the EMOTIVA player. I don't know it's going to happen for real or not but I am hoping it would. So, we all know what's left when the fog is lifted.

Thanks for the nice post:)

bigred7078

W WALDECKER wrote: »

I have zero opinion about Emotiva positive or negative.However i do have a very negative opinion about A-holes who come here just to start **** and use Club Polk to conduct pissing matches. I disagree with many people here on numerous subjects but we still manage to remain friends and just agree to disagree. You people who come from God knows where keep F#cking up Club Polk and somthing needs to change :mad:

Again since you have zero opinion why are you spending so much time in this thread? I don't come here to start ****. I did though in this thread because im tired of the reckless assault on emotiva here. If you want to have a decent conversation about it, by all means go for it. Some of the senior memebers are having good conversation about it now, but this is usually not the case.

apphd

jinjuku wrote: »

The manual is a misprint. The output is 1 volt nominal and 7 volts peak.

I see other discrepancies between the specs on the product page, and what is in the manual. How do you know which is correct and which is wrong? Are the other variances also wrong in the manual, and right on the product page?

i.e. Freq. Resp product page 20Hz~20kHz (+0/-1dB)
manual 20Hz~20kHz (+/-0.1dB)
Thanks

Toolfan66

bigred7078 wrote: »

spending so much time in this thread? I don't I did though in this thread because im tired of the reckless assault on emotiva here. .

"Tired of the reckless assault on emotiva?" Do you see how stupid this sounds? Dude there is more to life then to get all pissed about what somebody says about Emotiva. If your not the owner of the company then let it go. Really grow up man it's just gear, and just a CDP.

I am shocked that somebody would even put this much energy into something so petty.

A real opinion would have some foundation. I don't see any foundation in what you have to say here. Nor is your pissing and whinning wanting me to buy a CDP from Emotiva.

If you want to do the company justice then conduct your self as a grown adult, and have some "Foundation" in why we should even look at their CDP.

Nuff said.

Larry.

BlueFox

The funny part about all this rhetoric is a Redbook CD player is obsolete. A music server along with a DAC is a much better way to play CDs. This is like arguing over which buggy whip works best for your car.

megasat16

jinjuku wrote: »

The manual is a misprint. The output is 1 volt nominal and 7 volts peak.

It's a little annoying to say the least that the Reference Player manual has simple Typography error in it. Could someone at EMOTIVA marketing pay attention to simple numbers other than where to put the word REFERENCE in their marketing strategy? It would save us a lot of hassles and all the banter it received........

From what I gather in other forums, I think EMOTIVA started out with words for their Reference player at around 30lbs weight initially. The final design reflects the weight is about half of that. I think it's probably said to be true for other aspects of the designs unfortunately.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2112784&postcount=4

shack

BlueFox wrote:

The funny part about all this rhetoric is a Redbook CD player is obsolete. A music server along with a DAC is a much better way to play CDs. This is like arguing over which buggy whip works best for your car.

Gee. The same thing was said about vinyl. :rolleyes:

comfortablycurt

BlueFox wrote: »

The funny part about all this rhetoric is a Redbook CD player is obsolete. A music server along with a DAC is a much better way to play CDs. This is like arguing over which buggy whip works best for your car.

I'd hardly call a redbook CDP "obsolete".

The last I checked, it was actually the modern standard for audio playback.

W WALDECKER

bigred7078 wrote: »

Again since you have zero opinion why are you spending so much time in this thread? I don't come here to start ****. I did though in this thread because im tired of the reckless assault on emotiva here. If you want to have a decent conversation about it, by all means go for it. Some of the senior memebers are having good conversation about it now, but this is usually not the case.

Look Slick, here's a clue! I have zero opinion about Emotiva but you and your friends are harshing my mellow and ruining what used to be a very cool audio forum by acting like a bunch of crybaby piss bags. I have been sitting back ignoring these types of threads for the most part until I have seen just way too much of this ****. If you and your cohorts can't bring meaningful discussion to the table without upsetting the apple cart, please do yourselves and everyone else here a favor and take a hike....WCW III

BlueFox

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I'd hardly call a redbook CDP "obsolete".

The last I checked, it was actually the modern standard for audio playback.

Sorry Curt. There is a better, more convenient way to play digital music from a CD, or downloaded from a lossless site, than with a CD player. While a CD player still works, it is headed for the audio junkheap. Technology marches on, even if some people do not realize it, or are just slow. :cool:

Ricardo

BlueFox wrote: »

There is a better, more convenient way to play digital music from a CD, or downloaded from a lossless site, than with a CD player.

Ok. I give you that. It's your opinion and I respect it. Not my cup of tea, but then I don't expect everyone to like the same things I like.

While a CD player still works, it is headed for the audio junkheap. Technology marches on, even if some people do not realize it, or are just slow. :cool:

But you had to add this comment, just to piss off people that like using obsolete things :rolleyes: such as a CD player or turntable.

See my point? You are just trying to stirr the pot. Am I wrong?

BlueFox

Ricardo wrote: »

Ok. I give you that. It's your opinion and I respect it. Not my cup of tea, but then I don't expect everyone to like the same things I like.




But you had to add this comment, just to piss off people that like using obsolete things :rolleyes: such as a CD player or turntable.

See my point? You are just trying to stirr the pot. Am I wrong?

Hey. I still use a rotary phone, a CD player, and I am one of the few people in the country who has not yet got a cell phone. But I can tell which way the wind is blowing. If somebody likes using something then great, but that doesn't change technology's never ending march.

Glad to see we got off Emotiva.

bigred7078

shack wrote: »

Gee. The same thing was said about vinyl. :rolleyes:

haha good point

bigred7078

W WALDECKER wrote: »

Look Slick, here's a clue! I have zero opinion about Emotiva but you and your friends are harshing my mellow and ruining what used to be a very cool audio forum by acting like a bunch of crybaby piss bags. I have been sitting back ignoring these types of threads for the most part until I have seen just way too much of this ****. If you and your cohorts can't bring meaningful discussion to the table without upsetting the apple cart, please do yourselves and everyone else here a favor and take a hike....WCW III

hmm funny, cause i previously was sitting back and watching people piss all over emotiva. Just shut up and exit this thread already

comfortablycurt

BlueFox wrote: »

Sorry Curt. There is a better, more convenient way to play digital music from a CD, or downloaded from a lossless site, than with a CD player. While a CD player still works, it is headed for the audio junkheap. Technology marches on, even if some people do not realize it, or are just slow. :cool:

I can see the point here, it definitely does have a lot of convenience factor. I'd hardly go as far as saying that CDP's are obsolete though. They're very far from.

I'm sure there are still many many more people using CDP's than there are digital servers and DAC's.

I find it impossible to believe that CDP's are going to be headed for the junk heap anytime soon. I won't be setting up a digital server and DAC anytime soon myself. I am, however, going to be buying a new CDP in the near future.

As Keiko said...

Convenient? Yes. Better? Subjective.

I still, and always will, prefer having CD's to having all of my music on a file. I like to pick up my CD cases, and look at the artwork, look through the booklets, and actually have a collection.

When all of your music is on a server, it takes away from that. Sure, you can have all of the artwork and everything on file, but it's not quite the same. It isn't a collection in the same sense.

bigred7078

megasat16 wrote: »

It's a little annoying to say the least that the Reference Player manual has simple Typography error in it. Could someone at EMOTIVA marketing pay attention to simple numbers other than where to put the word REFERENCE in their marketing strategy? It would save us a lot of hassles and all the banter it received........

From what I gather in other forums, I think EMOTIVA started out with words for their Reference player at around 30lbs weight initially. The final design reflects the weight is about half of that. I think it's probably said to be true for other aspects of the designs unfortunately.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2112784&postcount=4

In the broad scheme of things does it really matter that they use the word "reference"? I don't see the point why some keep fixating on this word.

I definately agree though that the proof reading of manuals needs more care taking.

I was also a bit confused at the final weight of the product. Lonnie mentioned it would be around a hefty 30 lbs but it ended up at 17.5 lbs. Its still a hefty unit, but strange that it deviated some much from the original quote.

All in all, i think this will be an excellent unit. Is there better products out there? Of course, but i definately think for $399 its a great competitor within its price range.

bigred7078

comfortablycurt wrote: »

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When all of your music is on a server, it takes away from that. Sure, you can have all of the artwork and everything on file, but it's not quite the same. It isn't a collection in the same sense.

I agree with you on the collection part. I also like having a collection of music and movies to look at and sort through.

I did go mostly digital awhile back and love it. I still have my CD collection in its same place to look at, but i also have the convenience of having everything at the touch of a button.

I prefer to have intimate 2-channel listening with CD's and prefer to use digital music for parties and casual listening. Best of both worlds

Systems

bigred7078 wrote: »

All in all, i think this will be an excellent unit. Is there better products out there? Of course, but i definately think for $399 its a great competitor within its price range.

Certainly one can't judge SQ by the spec sheet/feature list( or a picture of the inards)but the ingredients are there for it to be a good CDP.The chosen DAC chip is top notch,the power supply seems to have been well thought out.Aswell the all important analog stage output op amps are a true discrete transistor design not IC's as found in the vast majority of CDP's at this and higher price levels.Just for curiosities sake,I would like to hear one for myself.

Poee7R

So Bigred, have you yourself, listened to this unit?


Dave