Emotiva CD player a big hit so far

jinjuku

heiney9 wrote: »

Nice post sucks2beme.............anyone remember the Toshiba 5960's and the very first Oppo that came out. Hifi virgins were giddy with glee......all way over hyped and simply mediocre in the end.

H9

P.s. there's nothing wrong with being middle of the road. But, in the end it is what it is.

Any manufacturer can have a bad/problematic product. Look at the 5 channel Monster amps. I have heard some stories about channels crapping out on them. When people get the replacement the put it up on eBay and sell it as NIB just to get away from it.

Oppo has a great reputation now... :rolleyes:

megasat16

jinjuku wrote: »

Oppo has a great reputation now... :rolleyes:

The problem lies with the people who thinks highly of the products these companies offer and consider them in the same league as other better Engineered (and more expensive) products.

Oppo, EMO, or any Interent Direct companies have both sides of the good and the bad.

heiney9

jinjuku wrote: »

Any manufacturer can have a bad/problematic product. Look at the 5 channel Monster amps. I have heard some stories about channels crapping out on them. When people get the replacement the put it up on eBay and sell it as NIB just to get away from it.

Oppo has a great reputation now... :rolleyes:

I wasn't talking about these products reliability; I was talking about how they were supposed to giant killers in the sound department. They all came with the exact type/style of hype from the same types of people as Emo is now. They weren't and aren't giant killers even for a deaf person. I even recently revisited a "modded" Tosh 5960 and it still sounded like an $80 dvd player. Yet a few years ago these were going to put an end to hi end cd player sales................becuase they were that good sounding :rolleyes:


Duell, I look forward to another Emo listening session. If the next RAS is at my brothers we'll have plenty of room and gear to mess with. He's having issues with one of the BAT amps after an output tube blew, so I'm not sure when/if it will be at his new house or not. Still doesn't have his newly aquired main rig dialed in yet.

H9

NJPOLKER

Are Emotiva products like no-frills beer? Yeah I am old enough to remember that beer.
I prefer pie of course.

jinjuku

heiney9 wrote: »

I wasn't talking about these products reliability; I was talking about how they were supposed to giant killers in the sound department.

This is the first that I heard that people were calling Emo and Oppo equipment giant killers.

jinjuku

megasat16 wrote: »

The problem lies with the people who thinks highly of the products these companies offer and consider them in the same league as other better Engineered (and more expensive) products.

Oppo, EMO, or any Interent Direct companies have both sides of the good and the bad.

Your assuming that those products can not compete... Others would assume differently. To each their own.

The Oppo BDP-83 thread here seems to have some positives to it...

heiney9

jinjuku wrote: »

This is the first that I heard that people were calling Emo and Oppo equipment giant killers.

Since your reading comprehension lacks a little bit the "They" I was speaking of was Oppo and the Toshiba 5960.

No one has come right out and stated Emo gear is a giant killer, but they way people vigorously defend it's existence and constanly try to compare it to higher end gear leads a reasonable person to deduce that's what being said.

Perhaps not you specifically, but certainly some others here and on the Emo boards.

My stance has always been that there is a lot better out there and while Emo fits the bill for some; some of us have moved on in our journey and we all want different things out of our rig.

H9

heiney9

I'm outta this one...........I agree to disagree.

jinjuku

heiney9 wrote: »

Since your reading comprehension lacks a little bit the "They" I was speaking of was Oppo and the Toshiba 5960.

No one has come right out and stated Emo gear is a giant killer, but they way people vigorously defend it's existence and constanly try to compare it to higher end gear leads a reasonable person to deduce that's what being said.

Perhaps not you specifically, but certainly some others here and on the Emo boards.

My stance has always been that there is a lot better out there and while Emo fits the bill for some; some of us have moved on in our journey and we all want different things out of our rig.

H9

Jeez how could I have ever come to that conclusion based on your statement of:rolleyes::

"I wasn't talking about these products reliability; I was talking about how they were supposed to giant killers in the sound department. They all came with the exact type/style of hype from the same types of people as Emo is now.

Are you always this arrogant? (rhetorical question).

megasat16

jinjuku wrote: »

Your assuming that those products can not compete... Others would assume differently. To each their own.

The Oppo BDP-83 thread here seems to have some positives to it...

I am not assuming anything! I meant what I meant. You steer it to what you wanted to say. So, I'll say it again.

The problem lies with the people who thinks very highly of the EMO or OPPO gears and considered them the same league as other better Engineered Products.

That's why some other folks will never agree.

Regardless, most people who think outside the box will understand. I would not put Oppo in the same league with EMO since their marketing strategy is very different and I have not heard Oppo claims they make Reference BluRay or DVD players.

I don't own EMO or OPPO products but for the reason that Oppo didn't say they don't make Reference Players, for only that reason I have more respect for Oppo than EMO.

Any Internet Direct or B&M companies will have the good and the bad from both sides of the story. Take it with a grain of salt if there is something you don't like what others said about your highly praised products.

olilugo

I would say this, and I don't really care what brand is in front of the box.

I am NOT looking for the best $400.00 CD player ever built.

I am looking for a CD player that cost $400.00 that performs like a $1500-$2000 CD player.
If I can find it then I have a winner in my hands.

Many would say apples and oranges, but I disagree, the opportunity to find a new brand component that can perform at the same level of a high-end brand component is very possible especially in the electronic market.

heiney9

Nice tag JuJu grow the f*ck up!!! That's one of the many many reason you'll never have any credibility here.

You all it arrogance......I call it experience.

jinjuku

heiney9 wrote: »

Nice tag JuJu grow the f*ck up!!! That's one of the many many reason you'll never have any credibility here.

You all it arrogance......I call it experience.

Trust me heiney9, from what I have seen here I really am not worried about any credibility issues among your 'gang'.

So you still think that if you need an EQ you really just need better gear instead? And you have the gall want to talk about 'credibility'. The hypocrisy of it all.

I am simply here to protect the audio virgins from the likes of you.

jinjuku

megasat16 wrote: »

I am not assuming anything! I meant what I meant. You steer it to what you wanted to say. So, I'll say it again.

The problem lies with the people who thinks very highly of the EMO or OPPO gears and considered them the same league as other better Engineered Products.

That's why some other folks will never agree.

Take it with a grain of salt if there is something you don't like what others said about your highly praised products.

Lets invert your statement to this: The problem lies with owners of highly expensive gear thinking that nothing lower in cost segment could ever operate in the same sphere of performance.

Saying it one way paints a group of people as 'idiots', the other way paints a group of people as 'snobs'.

BTW, I haven't praised anything (Emo or otherwise).

jinjuku

olilugo wrote: »

I would say this, and I don't really care what brand is in front of the box.

I am NOT looking for the best $400.00 CD player ever built.

I am looking for a CD player that cost $400.00 that performs like a $1500-$2000 CD player.
If I can find it then I have a winner in my hands.

Many would say apples and oranges, but I disagree, the opportunity to find a new brand component that can perform at the same level of a high-end brand component is very possible especially in the electronic market.

But according to megasat16 it's impossible to do what you wish for.

treitz3

jinjuku wrote: »

So you still think that if you need an EQ you really just need better gear instead?

I don't know about him but I can damn well agree to that.

jinjuku wrote: »

I am simply here to protect the audio virgins from the likes of you.

Spare us, please.

jinjuku

treitz3 wrote: »

I don't know about him but I can damn well agree to that.

Spare us, please.

Your are a straight up idiot if you think you simply need to buy better equipment rather than a band or two of EQ for room conditions. This is why certain polksters are universally reviled by every other audio community.

shack

The IL just gets longer and longer....

treitz3

jinjuku wrote: »

Your are a straight up idiot if you think you simply need to buy better equipment rather than a band or two of EQ for room conditions. This is why certain polksters are universally reviled by every other audio community.

BLo'Me. I think we are even now. You can also take your attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine Scooter.

Look, I offered my opinion based upon decades of experience. I used to have EQ's, sometimes 2 in the same system. They screw up the sound stage and imaging, add noise and change the phasing. Why would I want to add this when I can just go out and purchase a better product that will get the job done correctly?

EQ's are a damn crutch.

Face

jinjuku wrote: »

Your are a straight up idiot if you think you simply need to buy better equipment rather than a band or two of EQ for room conditions. This is why certain polksters are universally reviled by every other audio community.

That's right, we're the only online community who says such things. :rolleyes:

Go over to Audiogon's message board and ask about EQ's, I'm sure they'll be much more accommodating.


If you need to correct room deficiencies, why not do it the right way: http://www.gikacoustics.com/

jinjuku

treitz3 wrote: »

BLo'Me. I think we are even now. You can also take your attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine Scooter.

Look, I offered my opinion based upon decades of experience. I used to have EQ's, sometimes 2 in the same system. They screw up the sound stage and imaging, add noise and change the phasing. Why would I want to add this when I can just go out and purchase a better product that will get the job done correctly?

EQ's are a damn crutch.

Because I have never seen a speaker or an amp that magically fixes ROOM RESPONSE you moron.

megasat16

jinjuku wrote: »

Lets invert your statement to this: The problem lies with owners of highly expensive gear thinking that nothing lower in cost segment could ever operate in the same sphere of performance.

Saying it one way paints a group of people as 'idiots', the other way paints a group of people as 'snobs'.

BTW, I haven't praised anything (Emo or otherwise).

You can reverse my statement and I agree that some of the higher end audio brand names have products (mostly in the budget range) that are not a lot better than some $100 CD player or DVD player. I guess it's no contest if I say most people here knew about it and I've even seen some products from the Big Name makers are shot down here in CP.

The difference is that there is no lover boy or Fan Boy of such products are persistence as EMO lovers or Fan Boys to defend the products they own. Most of them will simply accepts the Fact and Move on to the higher end or the lower end which is cheaper and servers the purpose for them.

olilugo wrote: »

I would say this, and I don't really care what brand is in front of the box.

I am NOT looking for the best $400.00 CD player ever built.

I am looking for a CD player that cost $400.00 that performs like a $1500-$2000 CD player.
If I can find it then I have a winner in my hands.

Many would say apples and oranges, but I disagree, the opportunity to find a new brand component that can perform at the same level of a high-end brand component is very possible especially in the electronic market.

I am sure you'll find a lot of $400 player and some multi-player does excellent job as $1500-$2000 players. It's exactly what people wanted. Better Bangs for the Bucks and no Hypes!

In reality, I found there are 1500-2000 range products that is very well Engineered and sounds excellent and compete with $10K products. So is the $400-$500 products which can compete $1500-$2000 range products.

jinjuku wrote: »

But according to megasat16 it's impossible to do what you wish for.

Thanks but no Thanks Jinjuku! I am sure he has seen and read my post since mine is #171 and his post is next (#172).

jinjuku

Face wrote: »

That's right, we're the only online community who says such things. :rolleyes:

Go over to Audiogon's message board and ask about EQ's, I'm sure they'll be much more accommodating.


If you need to correct room deficiencies, why not do it the right way: http://www.gikacoustics.com/

Always maintained the EQ is the LAST thing you do. Room treatments are way ahead of EQ, so is proper speaker positioning. EQ is a last and often time necessary resort (especially in 5.1/7.1 HT environments)

Telling people to simply buy a better amp or speakers to correct room error is shear, number one, a-class, idiocy.

cnh

jinjuku wrote: »

Your are a straight up idiot if you think you simply need to buy better equipment rather than a band or two of EQ for room conditions. This is why certain polksters are universally reviled by every other audio community.

So we're 'reviled'? Does that mean we're Idiots?

Are you meaning to say that a cheap Equalizer is all you need to make any amp/AVR sound like a champ. If so, there are a lot of audio engineers and manufacturers wasting their time out there!

cnh

jinjuku

cnh wrote: »

So we're 'reviled'? Does that mean we're Idiots?

Are you meaning to say that a cheap Equalizer is all you need to make any amp/AVR sound like a champ. If so, there are a lot of audio engineers and manufacturers wasting their time out there!

cnh

If you can find where I said such a thing, knock your self out...

W WALDECKER

I seem to have noticed a trend here.Is it just my imagination or do these types of threads attract alot of dickbags ?

treitz3

It's not your imagination. It's reality.

jinjuku

treitz3 wrote: »

It's not your imagination. It's reality.

Ya, I have no idea where they all come from. They seem to keep together though.

Come on over to AVSForum/Audioholics/Hometheatershack sometime to see what non-douchery is like.

sucks2beme

jinjuku wrote: »

Your are a straight up idiot if you think you simply need to buy better equipment rather than a band or two of EQ for room conditions. This is why certain polksters are universally reviled by every other audio community.

Oh really? So why are you here? Just because you like the abuse?
I've been on those other boards.
You know, the "only good amps were made from 1974-1984" bunch.
Or "cables are all in your head" site?
You like the stuff? Fine. I think the point here is we don't dislike it,
but we aren't frothing about it. It fits in a price point. IF it works good
at that price point, then it serves the purpose intended. DONE.
Leave those listening with higher end gear out of it.
The real fix for the room is treatments, not EQ. There, I said it.
And better gear is about a lot more than EQ. Why must everyone come
here to save us from ourselves?

jinjuku

W WALDECKER wrote: »

I seem to have noticed a trend here.Is it just my imagination or do these types of threads attract alot of dickbags ?

They only come out if Emotiva is mentioned. Don't let it bother you;)