Emotiva CD player a big hit so far

dragon1952

I guess I'm just too old for that stuff.

jinjuku

GV#27 wrote: »

IMO it would be, assuming ofcourse an error free low jitter data transfer to the external DAC.A good CDP will have low inherent jitter.Keep in mind that the USB interface is inferior to the SPDIF in the areas of jitter and resolution.Using a standard coaxial digital output from the soundcard would be the best option.

I thought jitter was the timing differences of clocking between the CD transport and the DAC? That it is primarily a sync issue due to the mechanical nature of the CD transport and the DAC.

Some of those problems go away. I would think that the USB DAC would clock to the computer bus that it is residing on. The same as everything else.

I am upgrading to the Xonar anyways so I am not messing around with an USB DAC any how.

SCompRacer

dragon1952 wrote: »

Well, ya gotta get up when the CD's over and get another beer anyway (and take a wizz), so you might as well just slap another CD in there while you're at it. I guess I don't understand exactly how it works. What are you looking at while you're working the remote?

LOL I hear you!

What I described was a Bolder Statement modded Squeezbox with CI Audio power supply I inherited. Of course I am old and need glasses so it can’t be too far away to read the display. As you see by the other posts, there are lots nicer ways to view your library.

While the Statement mod sounded good, I gave it to a friend in need and stayed with my most amusing ModWright 9100ES tube output digital source as it plays SACD's, and sounds much, much better. If I went computer based, I'd get a ModWright tube output Transporter. And I still like my vinyl too Mike!:cool:

F1nut

It's no wonder we have an obesity problem in this country.

jinjuku

dragon1952 wrote: »

I guess I'm just too old for that stuff.

You can get a nice HTPC for ~$500-600 with a 1TB drive... Let us know I'm sure we can source the parts for you. Just need someone to build it.

bigred7078

jinjuku wrote: »

With me it's my flat panel on the wall that my HTPC is hooked up to:



Play lists are awesome and so is the ability to sort by artists, genres, etc...

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hahahah its hilarious to see Rob Zombie and Mozart on the same screen


I really like using my AppleTV to scroll through all my music and movies.



and its pretty nice because it takes up pretty much zero space unlike HTPC's. But i must admit i like my buddies HTPC running foobar

dragon1952

I've drooled over stereo components my whole life. The Audio/Video store overseas was like going to Disneyland for 3 yrs. I spent half my time in there. I want good, old fashioned stereo components with cool lights and dials

dragon1952

Keiko wrote: »

Sansui! :cool:

Yep....mostly Japanese stuff. This was '76-'79. Everyone made turntables back then too. No CD players yet

shack

dragon1952 wrote:

I guess I'm just too old for that stuff.

Plus its just damn boring.

tonyb

F1nut wrote: »

It's no wonder we have an obesity problem in this country.

Yeah...can't wait for the remote toilet to wipe your arse for you too.

Sex will be replaced by a walk in machine with virtual choices.

reeltrouble1

plus all this crap has no tubes so you know right their it sucks, keep blowin an I'll keep humming.

RT1--Tubes Rule.

BlueFox

plus all this crap has no tubes so you know right their it sucks, keep blowin an I'll keep humming.

That's right. No 19th century technology. Oh, the horrors!!! :eek:

cnh

Apples products are sleek but the audio they put out is, how can we say this delicately, less than adequate!

cnh

BlueFox

cnh wrote: »

Apples products are sleek but the audio they put out is, how can we say this delicately, less than adequate!

Actually, this is only correct if you store lossy files on the iPod and play those files through the internal iPod DAC.

On the other hand, if you use lossless files, along with the Wadia iTransport dock which uses the digital output of the iPod, and an external DAC, the audio quality is directly proportional to the qualty of the external DAC.

jinjuku

BlueFox wrote: »

Actually, this is only correct if you store lossy files on the iPod and play those files through the internal iPod DAC.

On the other hand, if you use lossless files, along with the Wadia iTransport dock which uses the digital output of the iPod, and an external DAC, the audio quality is directly proportional to the qualty of the external DAC.

Thanks for stating what should be obvious. As long as your digital stream is bit perfect, it's bit perfect. The DAC would be the single biggest barometer of SQ.

BlueFox

jinjuku wrote: »

Thanks for stating what should be obvious. As long as your digital stream is bit perfect, it's bit perfect. The DAC would be the single biggest barometer of SQ.

I agree it should be obvious, but so many people equate iPod with MP3 that, apparently, it is not obvious to some people.

cnh

BlueFox wrote: »

I agree it should be obvious, but so many people equate iPod with MP3 that, apparently, it is not obvious to some people.

I don't disagree. But let's be realistic. The average, no MOST ipod users and APPLE as well encourage MP3 as their STANDARD. And you'd need a hell of an ipod to store a lot of lossless CDs on that. And the ipod can't play those formats, can it? It can output a bitstream to a DAC but that's NOT what it was DESIGNED to do. So essentially we're taking a low end audio device and applying a kind of duct tape solution which, certainly improves the sound enormously. But why bother! Just use a computer since you can't play that on the portable as a portable unless you have the ipod in one hand and the DACs in another?

cnh

shack

cnh wrote: »

But why bother! Just use a computer since you can't play that on the portable as a portable unless you have the ipod in one hand and the DACs in another?cnh

Because you can take a $300 iPod attached to a $400 dock through a $500 free standing DAC and you get something that sounds very much like a $400 CDP. (or not nearly as good if that $400 CDP happens to be a world class "reference" emo CDP :rolleyes: )

reeltrouble1

shack wrote: »

Plus its just damn boring.

so true, but then it likely matches the system.

besides messing up a fine 2-channel rig with some ugly black box you focus on seems like a terrible thing to do, about as unmusical a thing as scraping your nails on the chalkboard.

now gazing into the soft warm glow of a fine set of power tubes in a dark cool room while wearing your finest smoking jacket with pipe in hand, that is where its at. not to mention how an album of songs is layed out based upon the artists conception of mood, language, musical key and scale mode, well, ok, actually I do mention it.

RT1

heiney9

Keiko wrote: »

How can you argue with that? :cool:

Believe me the "troll campers" will find a way to twist it, mold it, shape it, to fit their anti-hifi agenda's or for the mere idea of being contraversial. It's what they are taught in troll camp.

I have a tube amp hybrid specifically designed to be used with an iPod it has a nifty, sharp looking dock with a full function remote control. I don't own and iPod or similar and this amp is so much better off as a "stand alone" audio piece. Roll some 70's German Siemens tubes into her and let her glow and sing.

H9

BlueFox

Keiko wrote: »

How can you argue with that? :cool:

You are so correct. Stupidity is not worth correcting.

heiney9

BlueFox wrote: »

You are so correct. Stupidity is not worth correcting.

I see you've been attending troll camp this summer. Hope you brought lots of shaving cream.

BlueFox

cnh wrote: »

I don't disagree. But let's be realistic. The average, no MOST ipod users and APPLE as well encourage MP3 as their STANDARD. And you'd need a hell of an ipod to store a lot of lossless CDs on that. And the ipod can't play those formats, can it? It can output a bitstream to a DAC but that's NOT what it was DESIGNED to do. So essentially we're taking a low end audio device and applying a kind of duct tape solution which, certainly improves the sound enormously. But why bother! Just use a computer since you can't play that on the portable as a portable unless you have the ipod in one hand and the DACs in another?

To correct two points.

you'd need a hell of an ipod to store a lot of lossless CDs on that. And the ipod can't play those formats, can it

I have two 120GB iPods. I'm listening to one right now at work, using the Wadia dock, Benchmark DAC1, and Sennheiser Hd-650 headphones. The iPod currently has 1580 classical songs, ranging from a 2-3 minutes to 30 minutes in length, and there still is 70GB of free space. This is around a couple hundred albums. The songs are in lossless format, so obviously the iPod can play them. I bought a Polk iSonic to play the iPod outside on a warm night while drinking beer, and it works there also, but doesn't sound as good as through the 2 channel and external DAC.

It can output a bitstream to a DAC but that's NOT what it was DESIGNED to do.

If it was not designed to do that then it would not be able to do it.

BlueFox

heiney9 wrote: »

I see you've been attending troll camp this summer. Hope you brought lots of shaving cream.

So, now the Polk Forum prolific posters, after tiring of Emotiva bashing and calling Emotiva supporters trolls, are now going to start bashing iPod music server users. Funny how these threads always deteriorate by the same Polk Forum prolific posters. :rolleyes:

heiney9

Guys, knock yourselves out with your iPods.........you're entitled to your opinion. Many on here don't feel the same way. Let it go.....enjoy the music the way you want to listen to it.

heiney9

BlueFox wrote: »

So, now the Polk Forum prolific posters, after tiring of Emotiva bashing and calling Emotiva supporters trolls, are now going to start bashing iPod music server users. Funny how these threads always deteriorate by the same Polk Forum prolific posters. :rolleyes:

Always have had the same stance about iPods. You and I have had "bashing" (your poor choice of words) sessions before. My mind remains unchanged. Please see post #326 and let it go............

dragon1952

And just when it looked like we were all getting along,too.

bigred7078

cnh wrote: »

I don't disagree. But let's be realistic. The average, no MOST ipod users and APPLE as well encourage MP3 as their STANDARD. And you'd need a hell of an ipod to store a lot of lossless CDs on that. And the ipod can't play those formats, can it? It can output a bitstream to a DAC but that's NOT what it was DESIGNED to do. So essentially we're taking a low end audio device and applying a kind of duct tape solution which, certainly improves the sound enormously. But why bother! Just use a computer since you can't play that on the portable as a portable unless you have the ipod in one hand and the DACs in another?

cnh

Actually Apple is trying not to encourage low bitrate music these days. They recently went with a standard of 256kbps instead of 128kbps. Still not CD quality but its getting better. And ipods CAN play lossless audio format, not .FLAC, but they can play .ALAC which is still lossless. But i dont use my ipod to play digital music, i use an AppleTV as my media device.

bigred7078

dragon1952 wrote: »

And just when it looked like we were all getting along,too.

...thats what i was thinking

Ricardo

What's an ipod?