Emotiva CD player a big hit so far
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comfortablycurt wrote: »x2
I'd MUCH prefer having a traditional disc tray. Those slot loaders are great for car stereos, but that's about it IMO. I can imagine those slot loaders scratching discs up over time. I'm sure there's a very good reason that you almost never see those on home CDP's.
hmmmm.... i guess those idiots over at Classe have no idea what they are doing either then....:rolleyes:Pro-ject RM-9.1 w/ Grado Sonata 1 -> USP-1 -> RPA-1 -> Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands -
lol my goodness....some of you REALLY need to chill out with the word reference...It is a reference unit within their line-up, that is it, that is all... give it up alreadyPro-ject RM-9.1 w/ Grado Sonata 1 -> USP-1 -> RPA-1 -> Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands
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does the ad say its Emo's reference player??? I can't keep my snob card and go look at the sight myself.
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I don't understand the slot load criticism, a PS3 is slot loaded and aren't some McIntosh CDPs also slot loaded??
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It's not a normal slot load mechanism, it uses some type of loading arm. You have to wait until the unit displays "ready" before inserting the disc. Users on the forum over there have claimed it's clumsy, a couple even reported scratching discs because they didn't wait until it was "ready".
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bigred7078 wrote: »hmmmm.... i guess those idiots over at Classe have no idea what they are doing either then....:rolleyes:
Sorry dude.:rolleyes: I have a different opinion. I personally wouldn't want a slot loaded CDP. If you want one, go right ahead.
The new Rotel also used a slot-load, and I wouldn't buy one because of that fact.
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bigred7078 wrote: »hmmmm.... i guess those idiots over at Classe have no idea what they are doing either then....:rolleyes:
That Classe CDP 202 looks like one hexx of a Cd player. I'm pretty sure we could call that 'reference'. Incredible specs and processing. I'd definitely like to hear that in action. But will never be able to afford the 6500 price tag!
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I was far from impressed the last time I heard a Classe and B&W rig."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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I was far from impressed the last time I heard a Classe and B&W rig.
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so what's up with Denon building Mc's transport for SACD?? Anyway that is the rumour as Mc won't say who built it.
Denon, Marantz and McIntosh all under one roof, who would of ever thunk it.
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comfortablycurt wrote: »Sorry dude.:rolleyes: I have a different opinion. I personally wouldn't want a slot loaded CDP. If you want one, go right ahead.
The new Rotel also used a slot-load, and I wouldn't buy one because of that fact.
Opinions have been known to vary from person to person ya know?:rolleyes:
I dont really care man. Its very very very different than a car decks slot loading mechanism. It will not scratch your disks.
Me, i don't care for stand alone CDP's. I went all digital lossless awhile back and love it.Pro-ject RM-9.1 w/ Grado Sonata 1 -> USP-1 -> RPA-1 -> Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands -
That Classe CDP 202 looks like one hexx of a Cd player. I'm pretty sure we could call that 'reference'. Incredible specs and processing. I'd definitely like to hear that in action. But will never be able to afford the 6500 price tag!
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haha it is pretty hefty in the price tag, but that Classe is an incredible unit.Pro-ject RM-9.1 w/ Grado Sonata 1 -> USP-1 -> RPA-1 -> Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands -
I was far from impressed the last time I heard a Classe and B&W rig.
I kind of know what you mean. I really like both products, but together....they just never wow me.Pro-ject RM-9.1 w/ Grado Sonata 1 -> USP-1 -> RPA-1 -> Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands -
bigred7078 wrote: »I dont really care man. Its very very very different than a car decks slot loading mechanism. It will not scratch your disks.
That's not even really the point I was trying to make.
The point is, that I would prefer a tray loader to a slot loader. So, I'm not buying a slot loader.;)The nirvana inducer-
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So...specs = sound? weight = quality? I don't think so.I know I've had a few pcs of crap with great specs and very heavy.Listen then decide whatever you judge,otherwise speculation is useless.
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So...specs = sound? weight = quality? I don't think so.I know I've had a few pcs of crap with great specs and very heavy.Listen then decide whatever you judge,otherwise speculation is useless.
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also add price = quality....that's the universal measurement in culb polk
Kinda....more so price to sound quality ratio,after all,isn't it SQ that we all lust after? Emo and a ton of other companies have budget minded products that all seem to hit that same middle of the road sound quality.Just enough to please the average consumer.If thats all you want,then your good to go.Some of us prefer the ongoing journey for better SQ untill our ears are pleased with the end result.HT SYSTEM-
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Kinda....more so price to sound quality ratio,after all,isn't it SQ that we all lust after? Emo and a ton of other companies have budget minded products that all seem to hit that same middle of the road sound quality.Just enough to please the average consumer.If thats all you want,then your good to go.Some of us prefer the ongoing journey for better SQ untill our ears are pleased with the end result.
Good point. But can i ask if you have demoed any Emotiva product? The problem is most of the club polk members who claim emotiva sucks or is just cheap gear have never even tried it. Then they become all elitist and claim they don't have to try it...Pro-ject RM-9.1 w/ Grado Sonata 1 -> USP-1 -> RPA-1 -> Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands -
Kinda....more so price to sound quality ratio,after all,isn't it SQ that we all lust after? Emo and a ton of other companies have budget minded products that all seem to hit that same middle of the road sound quality.Just enough to please the average consumer.If thats all you want,then your good to go.Some of us prefer the ongoing journey for better SQ untill our ears are pleased with the end result.
True, but for some, for various reasons the "middle of the road" is the limit of what budget is available. Better SQ is known to exist, but is out of reach. Is the point your ears are pleased with SQ the end of the journey, or is it when you have the best SQ you can afford? -
Some of elitists here have tried their gear and have returned it. :rolleyes:bigred7078 wrote: »Good point. But can i ask if you have demoed any Emotiva product? The problem is most of the club polk members who claim emotiva sucks or is just cheap gear have never even tried it. Then they become all elitist and claim they don't have to try it...
So because I haven't owned a Kia, does that make me a snob or elitist if I said they suck?
Btw, nobody in this thread has said Emo sucks, yet."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
I disagree and I don't know where you base your claim on this one. There have been plenty of references of quality over price.....take for instance the Polk LSi9 -vs- the Polk LSi25. The LSi25 is the expensive one, yet I see that the LSi9 is the most commonly recommended speaker out of the LSi lineup.also add price = quality....that's the universal measurement in culb polk
After being a member of this forum [getting to know member's preferences] and meeting a lot of the members, I can say that usually price doesn't mean a damn thing unless it's beyond one's budget. Sound and the end result as to what hits your ears would be more accurate of a measurement. That said, there is definitely nothing universal about it.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Then they become all elitist and claim they don't have to try it...
I don't own one, I haven't demoed one, I don't want to demo one, I don't want to own one. BFD
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Some of elitists here have tried their gear and have returned it. :rolleyes:
So because I haven't owned a Kia, does that make me a snob or elitist if I said they suck?
Btw, nobody in this thread has said Emo sucks, yet.
riiight so because one guy tried it and thinks its not good means that viewpoint is set in stone... :rolleyes:
no one in this thread said it sucks, but its been stated before by people who have commented in this threa and are only here to bash it.Pro-ject RM-9.1 w/ Grado Sonata 1 -> USP-1 -> RPA-1 -> Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands -
I haven't auditioned an Emotiva either. There are a few things you might be able to discern from its construction, though. For example, a 200-250 watt/channel amp does not have to weigh a ton. And a lot of people don't like Darlington circuitry and other design features in the Emotiva which make it more 'complex' inside than a simpler, more elegant, and lighter design would warrant. Remember, one important factor is not to have too many pathways between your source and the power that can influence, color, the sound and so forth.
I am by no means an expert in this field. But it would seem to me that it might be more profitable to talk about some of these features of amps people 'do' like in greater detail...so as to illustrate some support by those who just don't think much of Emos!
I found the note that heiney9 posted from Nelson Pass on the original design of the Adcom 555 quite revealing in that sense. And I am not a designer of amps...but it made 'sense'.
More of this as well as the subjective dimension of what one hears as good are warranted here.
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I don't own one, I haven't demoed one, I don't want to demo one, I don't want to own one. BFD
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Ok well thanks for contributing to my point.
I really really don't care if you don't like Emotiva. But to make statements like that is just ignorance. The only people that continually argree with you on this matter is the same group of goons that always back each other up. Do you not realize this? You can go ahead and throw some witty remarks my way, im sure you or someone else will, but that does not take away from the fact that some of you guys are blinded with stubborn ignorance. You think your being wise and all knowning...call it what you want but many people, NOT just me see it as elitist ignorance.
And why does this same group of people who think Emotiva is so far below them continually try to trash Emotiva threads on here? It is really childish and just makes you seem like an ****, whether you see it or not. If you don't like the freaking company, IGNORE IT... It's simple. Or if you really have something to contribute then do it, but don't make it into some snide comment like most have who "think" they are helping.
Point is, If you don't like Emotiva, great...move along then and stop wasting everyones time in these threads where people actually want to learn about the "said" product. If you cannot do this then you are simply a troll who needs to grow up.Pro-ject RM-9.1 w/ Grado Sonata 1 -> USP-1 -> RPA-1 -> Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands -
I really don't care if you don't care...so what?
Go whine about something else."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
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Well, I don't give a Darn Thing About What Emotiva or anyone Called Reference so I don't want to discuss about it. There is too much abuse to the term Reference for marketing sake.
But I would like to address a few things other members here have discussed.So...specs = sound? weight = quality? I don't think so.I know I've had a few pcs of crap with great specs and very heavy.Listen then decide whatever you judge,otherwise speculation is useless.
Well, in simple math, the difference in number (and numbering system) has some meaning. So is the SPEC.
The better SPEC does not = better SOUND! It's even better! The better SPEC means better ENGINEERING!
WEIGHT DOES NOT = QUALITY! Once Again, there is even better Equation!
WEIGHT Means Better STABILITY (Due to Greater GRAVITATIONAL FORCE). When the CD spins, the stable platter with more weight has better G and then the flimsy plastics platter with less weight. Thus providing better Laser Tracking and less error in the reading and correcting process.
It's OK you do not Care but most Audiophiles and (Audio) Engineers Do.
But I am not going speculate anything I haven't heard but calling EMOTIVA REFERENCE for their CD Player is only TRUE For EMOTIVA. I won't go any further to interpret what the real meaning of Reference.also add price = quality....that's the universal measurement in culb polk
If you pay attention, Most Folks here believes Price Doesn't Mean A Darn Thing In Audio. I think a lot of folks here loves good quality product at a great price and I think I can safely say a lot of Polkies would not hesitate to buy Good Condition Used Gears for a lot less to enjoy a good sounding system.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
In addition, the VRMS is kind of low to me. I prefer one with a least 2 VRMS.
Output voltage: 1V rms
Yikes...this spec is a problem, wonder why they kept it so far beneath the standard, well actually, its a retorical question.
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bigred7078 wrote: »Good point. But can i ask if you have demoed any Emotiva product? The problem is most of the club polk members who claim emotiva sucks or is just cheap gear have never even tried it. Then they become all elitist and claim they don't have to try it...
I have demoed & owned enough middle of the road gear to know a product for the "masses" and I don;t need to try every single product to know it's probably not going to float my boat. Sure some middle of the road gear is a little better than other middle of the road gear......but in the end it's still more oriented to be middle of the road budget style equipment.
I did listen to an Emo amp and for all the praise and fan boi'ism that goes on I was completely underwhelmed. I'd like to have another go round to to confirm or deny my initial impressions. I walked away wondering to myself what the hell all the Emo enthusiasts were hearing.
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I don't think i have seen anybody make a post about Emotiva sucking, if not for this place i would not even own one. it was recomended to me here because it was in my budget at the time. Do i like it YES, but this is the first and only amp i have ever had any experiance with. It did bring my A9's to life, I still belive it's better then not having an amp at all. I have a Adcom 585 coming real soon should be here sometime next week, I am looking forward to putting these side by side, and seeing how they compare to each other. I am not doing this to see if emotiva sucks but to see and hear what could be in the future of sound quality for me. for the price of emotiva and someone looking to better their sound stage and on a budget, and not caring about going a step further because eather the wife won't let them or their budget won't allow it, and maybe worried about buying used and having no warranty to back up their investment then i personally think emotiva has it's place. I can see why some of the seinor members here say what they say sometimes about emotiva there are a few people here that put emotiva as that it's the best money can buy, and when somebody here says anything about buying used as you can get a better product in the used market they get shot down as an emo lover here jumps in to prove there point like they have stock in the company or something. I really enjoy my XPA-3 for now but i have come to hate the emotiva name because of all the BS that sourrounds it. for the few people here that support emotiva do you hear anybody here that has moved up the chain shoving the products they have come to love down your throats. "NO you don't" as a matter of fact if i have any question about anything who do you think chimes in to help they do, and i also like to learn about what they have, and reserch it. even though i may never be able to reach their journey or even be able to afford it. the differance between me owning a emo and most of you that do ( notice i said most not all ) is i give them respect as they do me. if I had the funds to do other things I would be moving forward to see what else is out there as well, and try all sorts of things would that make me a "SNOB" as well if i could? I say more power to the guys that can, and more power to you if you like your emotiva. I like mine, but i do want to try new things, its fun. but as far as i am concerned those of you that keep pushing emotiva is that your helping make it look ugly and unapealing.
Sorry if i pissed anybody off with my rant here just had to vent.
Larry.
