Emotiva CD player a big hit so far
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I find this thread to be educational right now IMHO. For me anyways.
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Sorry for the word "Reference" for it's existence!Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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If people didn't act like every new Emo product was the second coming of Christ(or first
), then things wouldn't be blown out of proportion.
It's a $400 CDP, hopefully it performs at or above it's price point. But to call it a reference player... :rolleyes:"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
If people didn't act like every new Emo product was the second coming of Christ(or first), then things wouldn't be blown out of proportion.
It's a $400 CDP, hopefully it performs at or above it's price point. But to call it a reference player... :rolleyes:
Face, how do you define a "reference" piece of gear? Receiver,Amp,Cd player, Speakers, etc. Not a challenge, just curious, as myself and other newb's may be.
Receiver: Pioneer Elite SC-05
Amp: Emotiva Xpa-3
Front L/R: POLK Rti-a9s':D
Center:POLK Csi-a6
Rear surround's:POLK Rti-a1s'
Sub: Klipsch Synergy sub-12
Sony Kdl-46w4100 46" LCD
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Face, how do you define a "reference" piece of gear? Receiver,Amp,Cd player, Speakers, etc. Not a challenge, just curious, as myself and other newb's may be.
Not to be presumptuous, and speak for Mr. Face, but to me Reference is a synonym for Best. That is, a piece of gear by which others are judged. Think of it as something that is in the National Bureau of Standards. It is the official measuring standard, and others try to measure up, or pretend they do.
Of course, unlike a meter or the speed of light, reference audio gear changes every generation.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Not to be presumptuous, and speak for Mr. Face, but to me Reference is a synonym for Best. That is, a piece of gear by which others are judged. Think of it as something that is in the National Bureau of Standards. It is the official measuring standard, and others try to measure up, or pretend they do.
Of course, unlike a meter or the speed of light, reference audio gear changes every generation.
Got ya, "Tried and true" Adcom, Rotel, Sunfire, etc. Made their names years ago. Emotiva trying to join the club. I have had the Xpa-3 for about 3 months now, and no problem's whatsoever. It is my first amp, so i dont have anything to compare it to, but for the price a terrific buy! Solid build, Dynamic sound. Only time will tell how Emotiva and the ERC-1 stack up as "reference" quality. Seem's like their on there way though.:DReceiver: Pioneer Elite SC-05
Amp: Emotiva Xpa-3
Front L/R: POLK Rti-a9s':D
Center:POLK Csi-a6
Rear surround's:POLK Rti-a1s'
Sub: Klipsch Synergy sub-12
Sony Kdl-46w4100 46" LCD
PS3
Audioquest type 4 wiring. -
Face, how do you define a "reference" piece of gear? Receiver,Amp,Cd player, Speakers, etc. Not a challenge, just curious, as myself and other newb's may be.
I think that is the biggest problem. There is "Reference" and "reference quality". Both terms I think are different and used very loosely by many. There are numerous businesses that do custom installs that have the word "Reference" somewhere in their business name. It is used often in product names such as Monster Reference Power Center and Monster Interlink Reference - Reference Quality Audio Interconnect. I have no idea if these are truly "Reference" or if there is even a standard (esp. for the power center) that would quantify what "reference" is for these.
AES (Audio Engineering Society) I believe sets the standard for what meets the Professional sound recording and associated equipment.
What I am not sure of is if the word "reference" and specs./standards of AES are licensed like THX for example. I'm also not sure if these standards apply or were intended to apply to the commercial home market.
The only place I have found these on line is here:
http://www.aes.org/publications/standards/ which has them to purchase. Complete set of all standards = $500 for non AES members, or a document that only contains the recommended practice for describing and specifying loudspeaker components used in professional audio and sound-reinforcement systems. = $30.
I'm not that interested as to what actually defines "reference", as my budget will never allow "reference" rated gear to buy any of these documents.
When it comes to Emo I think they offer good product at a reasonable price and that's it. But have found themselves (maybe engineered by them or not) in a love em or hate em status on the internet which I think is over rated on both sides. (my $.02)
Since I am still on the up hill side of the learning curve I would appreciate corrections to my assumptions are on "reference"
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Output level: 2 VMRS
Frequency Responsd (CD's): 2Hz to 20kHz
S/N Ratio: 120db
Dynamic Range: 110db
total harmonic distortion: 0.0008%
Didn't even know to look for these specs until this thread came along. glad I bought it when it came up for sale on the forum.____________________________________________________________
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Marketing people have ruined so many of the words that used to be reseved only for products that stood head and shoulder above the rest. Words like deluxe, premier, ultimate, reference, 'high quality', etc. I'm sure there are may others. They just don't mean anything any more.____________________________________________________________
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That is kind of neat it uses the same method as a car CD player for getting a disk in or out. Maybe that is common in home equipment, but that is the first I have noticed it. I have wondered if that method is better/worse than a tray. I do know in my car I am always getting the CD crooked or whatever trying to insert it. On the other hand, there have been times I have accidentally run the CD or DVD along the front edge of the tray drawer while inserting or removing. Fortunately, I haven't yet damaged a CD/DVD.
One point though. The web-page says it uses a "Analog Devices 1955 DAC".
A 1955 DAC!!! This is 2009. At the least, they should be using a Analog Devices 2008 DAC. :rolleyes:
Blue..
I doubt DACs are numbered according to the year they're produced. At least not Burr Brown, Wolfson, Cirrus Logic, etc.? Check the numbers.
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Nor are the Analog Devices chips.Blue..
I doubt DACs are numbered according to the year they're produced. At least not Burr Brown, Wolfson, Cirrus Logic, etc.? Check the numbers.
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Blue..
I doubt DACs are numbered according to the year they're produced. At least not Burr Brown, Wolfson, Cirrus Logic, etc.? Check the numbers.
It was a joke. I doubt vacuum tube DACs existed in 1955. :eek:Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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You're right...I should've picked up on that, bluefox.
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No problem. My attempts at humor fall flat most of the time.
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
Marketing people have ruined so many of the words that used to be reseved only for products that stood head and shoulder above the rest. Words like deluxe, premier, ultimate, reference, 'high quality', etc. I'm sure there are may others. They just don't mean anything any more.
I think that is the problem. Sometimes words take on new meanings or accepted meanings from what would be found in a dictionary. It seems as though if something is not trade marked, licensed and protected (maybe too much by Monster) it will be obscured by the marketing pro's that want to capitalize on the perceived meaning. Which is why I was hoping to hear more on this, so I could separate my perception from fact. -
This forum is great because there are a lot of members who know what is good and can help those of us on smaller budgets cut through the marketing gobbledegook sp? and get good stuff the first time out.____________________________________________________________
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This forum is great because there are a lot of members who know what is good and can help those of us on smaller budgets cut through the marketing gobbledegook sp? and get good stuff the first time out.
How true, just sometimes we need to cut through some of the gobbledegoop in here as well:D -
There are quite a few CD players in that price range, and up to $100 less even, on the used market that could be considered awesome. Music Hall CD25.2, Rotel RCD-1072, Arcam CD73, Cambridge Audio 640C, Rega Planet, to name a few. Even the NAD's. I've even seen a couple Jolida JD-100's go for $450 decently. That Emotiva is kind of cool looking, but there are an awful lot of options for the same price that would be likely to absolutely kill it.2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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Sometimes a manufacturer tries too hard to differentiate their product. The goofy slot load mechanism for instance. That alone will keep me away.
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Sometimes a manufacturer tries too hard to differentiate their product. The goofy slot load mechanism for instance. That alone will keep me away.
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I'd MUCH prefer having a traditional disc tray. Those slot loaders are great for car stereos, but that's about it IMO. I can imagine those slot loaders scratching discs up over time. I'm sure there's a very good reason that you almost never see those on home CDP's.The nirvana inducer-
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I am not a big fan of disc tray CD players either...
I love my top loading CD player.
Something to note about Emotiva's slot load is they designed it, it is not some off the shelf transport... just a FWIW- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
You guys have gotten way off track on this thread.
I've been skimming the initial reviews on the Emo forum and so far, everyone who has received their ERC-1 has been raving about it. This CDP hasn't been compared to a "reference" player yet, but I expect it to perform well against them (whatever you perceive reference to be). Those reviews should be forthcoming in the next few days.HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50 LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub
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So far it looks like it's beat out some Oppo's, a Revox, a 15 yr old Sony ES, an Onkyo carousel, and some other assorted Denon and Pioneer DVD players
I think it looks cool though, but not sure I like the 'CD sucker' either. I am a sucker for blue lights though.2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones -
And a Magnavox:Ddragon1952 wrote: »So far it looks like it's beat out some Oppo's, a Revox, a 15 yr old Sony ES, an Onkyo carousel, and some other assorted Denon and Pioneer DVD players -
I don't understand the slot load criticism, a PS3 is slot loaded and aren't some McIntosh CDPs also slot loaded??
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How did this:I don't believe in magic; you'd have to be very naive to think a $399 CDP can compete with any "reference" player.
Hopefully they won't have any QC issues with this one.
Turn into your quote above?reeltrouble1 wrote: »Did you have to send yours back, did they pay???
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you missed that thousands of posts emo thread where Ricardo had to send his amp back three times......
well not really but you get the joke........god your slow, you drive a Yugo????
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Do they still make Yugo?:D I didn't see any reference to Ricardo's thread so I missed the joke. Now I get it:o Sorry, kind of kills a joke when you have to explain it.
But what about those that didn't see the thread, they could be misled, kind of like false advertizing, which seems to be many folks complaint with Emo.;) -
well i kinda figured with something like 10,000 hits on that post...........but I suppose someone could miss it, anyway, if emo calls the thing reference that would be in my opinion false advertising.....but I would venture that like most audio gear these days its sounds pretty good but not outstanding.
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