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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited May 2009
    I'm trying to negotiate a Ram 1500 crew cab prices right now. Trying to get to at least $21k from $37 sticker. First offer was $27k inc. TTL, which isn't enough for me to buy one. Wish me luck! :)
  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited May 2009
    JMO, JMO, JMO, But: I wouldn't buy a vehicle in this climate, JUST because it's a good deal. If you were really looking to buy a vehicle because you NEEDED one, then I can't blame you for getting the best deal possible. I'm just not going out to buy a vehicle, and go back in debt, for the sole purpose of getting a good deal.
    I think it's what got us into this mess in the 1st place: 'Upgrade-itis' has turned us into an entire nation of A.D.D. sufferers, and ONLY consumers, not producers.

    I'll get off my soapbox now.

    And I do sincerely wish those of you who did buy, the best of luck with your purchase.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,711
    edited May 2009
    Hi all,

    To update you (and further jack my own thread wondering about what these closings are going to really accomplish), I have my brand new Jeep Liberty parked out in the driveway. Details on the deal was asked for ... I held back on certain detail for fear that something would fall through ... call it superstition.

    Here's what I got: A base model Jeep Liberty with option group 28B and a paint upcharge. The sticker was $26,390. The settled price was $13,600. 52%off sticker. The deals are to be had right now. The vehicle had 44 miles and was obviously one of the dealer's early deliveries (delivery charge was $695, current charge is $740).

    So, I am just curious, because it always seems to me that the math gets really fuzzy when the price of cars is the subject. Does this mean that you wrote a check for $13,600 (plus tax) and handed it to the salesman, and had a car? In other words, is the ACTUAL cost to you $13.6k, or was there a trade or some other 'hidden' payment (equity) that figures into the actual cost to you?

    If not, half-price seems like a pretty durn good deal!

    also, is that a 4WD or AWD model?
  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited May 2009
    This ought to pull GM right back to the top..........yeah, right.....
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited May 2009
    Lorthos wrote:
    This ought to pull GM right back to the top..........yeah, right.....

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    When gas gets back to $4.00+ a gallon (and IT WILL) that is the type of car that just might get them back in the black. The vehicles that have kept Ford alive during these tough times are the small Fiesta and the Focus (big sellers worldwide).
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited May 2009
    shack wrote: »
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    When gas gets back to $4.00+ a gallon (and IT WILL) that is the type of car that just might get them back in the black. The vehicles that have kept Ford alive during these tough times are the small Fiesta and the Focus (big sellers worldwide).

    Well, thats fine, I'm all for it, but geez, could you make it any more uglier....
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited May 2009
    Lorthos wrote:
    Well, thats fine, I'm all for it, but geez, could you make it any more uglier....

    I sorta like the look. Something a little different from everything else Chevy has made in the last few years. I am seriously considering a Ford Fiesta when they get to the US next year. By that time my Focus should have about 150,000 on the OD and I'll be ready for a new car. I really like the look of it. YMMV

    112_news080214_01z+2009_ford_fiesta+front_three_quarter_view.jpg
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,987
    edited May 2009
    They are both ugly in my not so humble opinion but the Ford definitely has the edge between those two.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,711
    edited May 2009
    shack wrote: »
    I sorta like the look. Something a little different from everything else Chevy has made in the last few years. I am seriously considering a Ford Fiesta when they get to the US next year. By that time my Focus should have about 150,000 on the OD and I'll be ready for a new car. I really like the look of it. YMMV

    112_news080214_01z+2009_ford_fiesta+front_three_quarter_view.jpg

    That's my plan too (which, given my memory, I've probably already posted in this very thread). My 2000 ZX-3 should have about 180k if it makes it to 2010. OK so far (up for inspection next month). If we get a Fiesta, it'll be a 5-door :-)
  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,771
    edited May 2009
    I wonder if either of those will be available without the low profile tires? Here in Michigan, I would be buying new rims every month due to all the potholes.
  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited May 2009
    mhardy6647 wrote:
    That's my plan too (which, given my memory, I've probably already posted in this very thread). My 2000 ZX-3 should have about 180k if it makes it to 2010. OK so far (up for inspection next month). If we get a Fiesta, it'll be a 5-door :-)

    From what I understand the only two body styles available the first year will be the 4 door sedan:


    Ford-Fiesta_Sedan_2010_800x600_wallpaper_02.jpg


    and the 5 door hatchback:


    2009-ford-fiesta-5-door-scn-net-007.jpg

    Between the two I would probably go with the 5 door as well (that is what my Focus is), but if there is any indication that the 3 door hatchback is coming I would wait for it.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited May 2009
    WilliamM2 wrote:
    I wonder if either of those will be available without the low profile tires? Here in Michigan, I would be buying new rims every month due to all the potholes.

    Yes. There will be a "standard" version of both that will probably have 15" and 16" wheels instead of the 17" shown in the pictures.
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  • 66chevyIISS
    66chevyIISS Posts: 857
    edited May 2009
    shack wrote: »
    From what I understand the only two body styles available the first year will be the 4 door sedan:


    Ford-Fiesta_Sedan_2010_800x600_wallpaper_02.jpg

    That sure looks like a Corvette to me?? :p
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited May 2009
    That sure looks like a Corvette to me?? :p

    Yeah, that website doesn't like their photos linked. How bout this one....

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  • fatchowmein
    fatchowmein Posts: 2,637
    edited May 2009
    Sami wrote: »
    I'm trying to negotiate a Ram 1500 crew cab prices right now. Trying to get to at least $21k from $37 sticker. First offer was $27k inc. TTL, which isn't enough for me to buy one. Wish me luck! :)

    Crew cab = Quad cab? If so, I was looking at a red one the other day and I think the price was around $25k. If the sticker was 37, you must be looking at the Quad, 4x4? Anyhow, I just can't quite pull the trigger on one yet.

    Good luck and send pics if you get them down to 21k!
  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited May 2009
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    So, I am just curious, because it always seems to me that the math gets really fuzzy when the price of cars is the subject. Does this mean that you wrote a check for $13,600 (plus tax) and handed it to the salesman, and had a car? In other words, is the ACTUAL cost to you $13.6k, or was there a trade or some other 'hidden' payment (equity) that figures into the actual cost to you?

    If not, half-price seems like a pretty durn good deal!

    also, is that a 4WD or AWD model?

    Yes, I handed the dealer $13,600 plus tax. It all tallied, lock stock and barrel, to $15,100 and I have title to the vehicle.

    The vehicle is 4WD - you select it to go into 4WD, not the tranny model (available) that will automatically shift into 4WD when wheel slip is detected. 4WD low, down hill assist and tow modes are available too in the tranny within the vehicle I got.

    About other details, it has P225X65 tires and a donut spare. I really wanted P235X65 tires and a full sized spare but, for the price, you have to compromise - no room to dicker. I'll swap in P235 tires when the OEM tires wears out. ;)

    It also came with floor mats, which was did not expected!
  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited May 2009
    Crew cab = Quad cab? If so, I was looking at a red one the other day and I think the price was around $25k. If the sticker was 37, you must be looking at the Quad, 4x4? Anyhow, I just can't quite pull the trigger on one yet.

    Good luck and send pics if you get them down to 21k!

    Crew Cab, it's the biggest cab I think. I originally was looking at Quad Cabs but I'd like the extra space in back so I am trying to find a Crew Cab. No success yet, today I'm heading down to Denton with my b-i-l to take a look at Titan Crew Cabs, a few 2005's with 80k-130k miles from 7-9k range, and a couple of 1500 and 2500 Silverado's. These are former company cars at wholesale prices so I don't know what to expect. Probably cosmetically not perfect but I really wouldn't mind as that's what I'd get one for, work/hobbies. If they run good, I might end up with one of those used ones. I'm still keeping the BMW as my main ride no matter what I end up getting, if any.
  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited May 2009
    shack wrote: »
    Yeah, that website doesn't like their photos linked. How bout this one....

    [pic deleted]

    Yeah, that's the European model. For America they are apparently mucking it up and grafting on a nose/radiator portal from a Focus.

    Not the whole thing, but they are putting a "grill under the hood" and then making the front opening you see on the Euro version smaller.

    Imaging the side panels all the same, the headlights the same, but the grill and lower front end looking like a Focus.

    Too bad they are "un-Europeing" the front end. It takes away the flavor and European styling feel, really craps it up.
  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited May 2009
    Crew cab = Quad cab? If so, I was looking at a red one the other day and I think the price was around $25k. If the sticker was 37, you must be looking at the Quad, 4x4? Anyhow, I just can't quite pull the trigger on one yet.

    Good luck and send pics if you get them down to 21k!

    I am currently driving a 4.7L 4WD quad cab 1500. Bought it new in 2002 for $21K. It is entirely basic, with AM/FM radio & tape and AC provided as amenitieis. MOPAR and the dealers were offering great prices (rebates, etc) on what you got for the base model and upcharging the hell out of anything that implied an option at the time.

    All in all, it has been a good vehicle. About the only bad thing I can say about it is that the gas mileage sucks and I had to replace the steering column. 'had to swap out a U-joint on the drive shaft too. Total repair, not wear out, costs have been $1,100 over 140K miles (still on the original exhaust and light bulbs).

    Given that, my gut feeling would be to move on a $25K, if the sticker is $37K. It was noticed around here that Mopar and the dealers are not dicounting the RAMs from a percentage standpoint that their SUVs.
  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited May 2009
    Sami wrote: »
    Crew Cab, it's the biggest cab I think. I originally was looking at Quad Cabs but I'd like the extra space in back so I am trying to find a Crew Cab. No success yet, today I'm heading down to Denton with my b-i-l to take a look at Titan Crew Cabs, a few 2005's with 80k-130k miles from 7-9k range, and a couple of 1500 and 2500 Silverado's. These are former company cars at wholesale prices so I don't know what to expect. Probably cosmetically not perfect but I really wouldn't mind as that's what I'd get one for, work/hobbies. If they run good, I might end up with one of those used ones. I'm still keeping the BMW as my main ride no matter what I end up getting, if any.

    Crew cab is the vehicle with the "half" door for the rear seats. Quad cab, bigger, is the one with full/car sized rear doors for the rear seat. Rear passenger leg room increases accordingly with the oor size increase.

    Right now, dealer trade in values are very bad for either vehicle. Be careful of a dealer trying to make up the difference by marking up the truck accordingly. ;)
  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited May 2009
    Crew cab is the vehicle with the "half" door for the rear seats. Quad cab, bigger

    I am pretty certain the Crew Cab is bigger than a Quad. Did you trade in your Ram or do you plan to keep it?
  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited May 2009
    Sami wrote: »
    I am pretty certain the Crew Cab is bigger than a Quad. Did you trade in your Ram or do you plan to keep it?

    I feel pretty good about my terminoloy. Anyway, the bigger one is the one that has a separate outside door latch for the rear passenger to let themselves in. The other requires the front door to be opened first.

    I kept my Ram for two reasons:

    1) The best "buy" deal from a dealer is not to trade. Dealers are pros at what they do and we are not. They can complicate the hell out of a car deal with a trade involved, as they stay on top of the nuances of the fluid 2nd hand car market.

    2) I bought and want to keep this truck for around the house/local use. Its carrying capacity is phenominal! I've carried payloads weighing a ton and you could not even feel that it was carrying anything. The vehicle also has the largest tow weight in the entire class of 1/2 ton rated vehicles. A real truck!
  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited May 2009
    I feel pretty good about my terminoloy. Anyway, the bigger one is the one that has a separate outside door latch for the rear passenger to let themselves in. The other requires the front door to be opened first.
    I am new to the truck terminology so I didn't know what to ask for. Now, it seems like Single < Extended < Quad < Crew < Mega.

    http://www.autosavant.com/2009/05/04/2009-dodge-ram-1500-laramie-quad-cab-4x4-review/

    "The four-door Quad Cab sits in the Ram lineup between the standard cab and the Crew Cab (which offers a larger backseat)."
  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited May 2009
    Sami wrote: »
    I am new to the truck terminology so I didn't know what to ask for. Now, it seems like Single < Extended < Quad < Crew < Mega.

    http://www.autosavant.com/2009/05/04/2009-dodge-ram-1500-laramie-quad-cab-4x4-review/

    "The four-door Quad Cab sits in the Ram lineup between the standard cab and the Crew Cab (which offers a larger backseat)."

    I don't keep up on terminolgy myself. I'm interested when shopping, take a crash course and then it cements until I go shopping again. When last shopping for a truck, there was standard/crew/quad/club cab configurations.

    What you pointed to via your link, cab wise, is what I have. Within the cab, it has a truck front area/car back area. In the rear, the leg room is comfortable for most adults, but not spacious. Crew cabs were just tolerable for adult seating, but you would not want to take a 10 hour road trip back there (children are fine).

    GM also had club cab pickup trucks. These are as spacious as the front seat area of any pick up tucks.

    Since, you are shopping, also advise to pay attention to the bed length. My bed is 6.5 ft. The crew/quad cab and bed length configuration makes for a long vehicle with a really wide turning radius. I need to "advance plan" my turning maneuver when entering an open mall parking spot and will refuse to enter some. I am pretty certain a longer bed (which is available in this model) would make such a maneuver more challenging.
  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited May 2009
    Do they have Badonkadonk Cab?

    I'm guessing that would be bigger the Crew or Quad.
  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited May 2009
    wizzy wrote: »
    Do they have Badonkadonk Cab?

    I believe it's called Escalade. :p

    Hillbilly, the Crew Cab I was looking at had 5.5ft bed.
  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited May 2009
    Sami wrote: »
    I believe it's called Escalade. :p

    Hillbilly, the Crew Cab I was looking at had 5.5ft bed.

    I remember the short beds (they may still be available, but like I previously said, I don't keep up on features unless in shopping mode for a particular type of vehicle. ;) .

    I didn't get it, as I sometimes haul 8-10ft lumber. With the tailgate open, it was decided as being somewhat of a dicy situation to have so much sticking out of the rear with 10ft lumber in a 5.5 ft bed and totally out of the question for a "chance it" situation with occasional 12ft wood. If I didn't haul wood from time to time, I probably would have opted for the 5.5 ft bed ... provided the vehicle deal was to be had in that configuration. ;)
  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited May 2009
    Yes, I handed the dealer $13,600 plus tax. It all tallied, lock stock and barrel, to $15,100 and I have title to the vehicle.

    The vehicle is 4WD - you select it to go into 4WD, not the tranny model (available) that will automatically shift into 4WD when wheel slip is detected. 4WD low, down hill assist and tow modes are available too in the tranny within the vehicle I got.

    About other details, it has P225X65 tires and a donut spare. I really wanted P235X65 tires and a full sized spare but, for the price, you have to compromise - no room to dicker. I'll swap in P235 tires when the OEM tires wears out. ;)

    It also came with floor mats, which was did not expected!

    I forgot to add. There was no trade in involved. Just a straight up buy.

    Plus a year's subscription to Sirius satellite radio came with the deal. That is worth $155. I'm liking it a lot real fast! 'will probably do a two year subscription renewal when the time comes.
  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,711
    edited May 2009
    Yes, I handed the dealer $13,600 plus tax. It all tallied, lock stock and barrel, to $15,100 and I have title to the vehicle.

    The vehicle is 4WD - you select it to go into 4WD, not the tranny model (available) that will automatically shift into 4WD when wheel slip is detected. 4WD low, down hill assist and tow modes are available too in the tranny within the vehicle I got.

    About other details, it has P225X65 tires and a donut spare. I really wanted P235X65 tires and a full sized spare but, for the price, you have to compromise - no room to dicker. I'll swap in P235 tires when the OEM tires wears out. ;)

    It also came with floor mats, which was did not expected!

    Sounds great. And I like things that I can shift myself.