Someone explain this to me (about SVS subs)

maxima

I think alot of people mistakenly think that a sealed sub is inherently "faster" than a ported sub. As long as group delay is kept below the threshold of audibility which SVS typically does an admireable job of, the sub (regardless) is "fast" enough to play the note. I think the key here is most sealed subs (without some sort of eq boost) miss pretty much an entire octave of information. This results in the sealed sub being perceived as "musical or faster". I have used SVS subs in music systems with great results. I just make sure I back off my HT calibration a little so that the sub blends seamlessly.

dbaldus

maxima wrote: »

I think alot of people mistakenly think that a sealed sub is inherently "faster" than a ported sub. As long as group delay is kept below the threshold of audibility which SVS typically does an admireable job of, the sub (regardless) is "fast" enough to play the note. I think the key here is most sealed subs (without some sort of eq boost) miss pretty much an entire octave of information. This results in the sealed sub being perceived as "musical or faster". I have used SVS subs in music systems with great results. I just make sure I back off my HT calibration a little so that the sub blends seamlessly.

You mean just knock the sub down a few dBs on the AVR while listening to music?

Also, would you recommend this strategy for SACDs/DTS CDs as well as regular 2 ch music, or just 2 ch music?

Early B.

maxima wrote: »

I think alot of people mistakenly think that a sealed sub is inherently "faster" than a ported sub. As long as group delay is kept below the threshold of audibility which SVS typically does an admireable job of, the sub (regardless) is "fast" enough to play the note. I think the key here is most sealed subs (without some sort of eq boost) miss pretty much an entire octave of information. This results in the sealed sub being perceived as "musical or faster". I have used SVS subs in music systems with great results. I just make sure I back off my HT calibration a little so that the sub blends seamlessly.

IMO, there's a distinct difference in sound between a sealed sub and a ported one or one equipped with a passive radiator (PR). I think a sealed/PR sub generally sounds better (i.e., tighter) for music. It sounds more natural. However, for HT I prefer the sound of a ported sub.

shack

Early B. wrote: »

IMO, there's a distinct difference in sound between a sealed sub and a ported one or one equipped with a passive radiator (PR). I think a sealed/PR sub generally sounds better (i.e., tighter) for music. It sounds more natural. However, for HT I prefer the sound of a ported sub.

furball

SVS was caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and they knew it. SVS had to come up with something to save face. And the above statement is what they came up with.

Over the years, on many audio forums, such as avsforum, audioasylum, audioholics, etc., people have pointed out that SVS has engaged in systematic shill advertising on those forums. In recent memory, Audioholics has been the only site brave enough to stand up to this kind of unethical behavior.

furball

And do you know how these shill advertisers work?

For example,

1) SVS hires a PR firm specializing in internet shill advertising
2) The PR firm gives the job to 10 of its employees
3) Each employee has to create at least 50 different identities (usernames) on various internet audio forums
4) Each employee has to make at least 50 posts per hour under these different identities on different forums in order to make these aliases seem like real live people
5) Promoting SVS all over the net is these people's full time job
6) And whenever someone exposes their shill marketing, they swarm to SVS's defense, using whatever means necessary and at their disposal, burying the truth under piles upon piles of verbal abuse and profanity

furball

Apparently posted the above two posts in the wrong thread.

Should be in the other thread, titled "SVS and Their Marketing Practices."

Ricardo

furball wrote: »

Apparently posted the above two posts in the wrong thread.

Should be in the other thread, titled "SVS and Their Marketing Practices."

Oh, how convenient :rolleyes:

Who do you work for? I'm sure sales must be really bad these days to use these type of crap.

treitz3

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mrbigbluelight

furball wrote: »

Sold. Oh. Sorry.

Well, imagine how well the sale would go if he had put down his honest opinions of the sub "... it is okay for HT, but not so good for music..."

Yes, I can see where your friend is coming from.

:rolleyes:

kuntasensei

If positive responses about SVS are shill advertising, then I guess I work for SVS. Sure, I have pictures of my SVS in my room... as do countless people on various forums... but they're clearly shills, as I certainly am.

Oh, I like my Polk speakers, too. See all the times I posted about how great they sound? I'm waiting for my check, Polk. Get with it.

furball

I do not understand why you cannot tolerate my expressing my unsatisfactory experience with the sonic qualities of an SVS sub. To that end, for posting my unsatisfactory experience with an SVS sub, I have been the target of repeated personal attacks.

This is most unprofessional.

tonyb

As the title of the thread says....
Someone has to explain this to you???????

dorokusai

Furball - You have been issued an infraction since you have been told to refrain from obvious brand bashing in another thread. If you continue, you will be removed from the forum until you can cool off.

Polkies - I would ask that since he has been officially warned, that the rest of you back off with the responses, as it simply exacerbates the situation. If he continues, it will work itself out.

Relax, go listen to some music.

kuntasensei

furball wrote: »

I do not understand why you cannot tolerate my expressing my unsatisfactory experience with the sonic qualities of an SVS sub. To that end, for posting my unsatisfactory experience with an SVS sub, I have been the target of repeated personal attacks.

This is most unprofessional.

I don't take issue with you disliking the sound of a SVS sub. That's your right - it's your ears.

I take issue with your incessant need to insist that they use shill advertising on forums. Whether it is true or not, it is wholly irrelevant to how they sound, and makes you seem like you're trolling.

Sorry you had a negative experience with the SVS, as there are plenty of us who have nothing but good things to say about them. Fortunately, there are plenty of other companies making gear that might satisfy you.

DarqueKnight

furball wrote: »

I do not understand why you cannot tolerate my expressing my unsatisfactory experience with the sonic qualities of an SVS sub. To that end, for posting my unsatisfactory experience with an SVS sub, I have been the target of repeated personal attacks.

This is most unprofessional.

I do not understand why you arrogantly assume that we must tolerate your repetitious tirades against SVS. How many times do you need to tell us that you don't like SVS products and alleged business practices? You have made your point that you think SVS is the scum of the earth. Why go on an irrational crusade against a company that most people on this forum respect and have had nothing but good experiences with? It should be obvious now that you are not going to win any "converts" to your "cause". Your energies would more appropriately be applied to finding a product you like and then sharing your evaluative knowledge with the membership. If that is impossible for you, go find an "SVS Hater" cult and live happily ever after. Many of us here think Bose makes overpriced, mediocre products. There is the occasional joke about Bose, but you do not see thread after thread talking about Bose's inferior audio performance and misleading billion dollar marketing machine. Most of us here prefer to discuss what we like rather than the things we do not like. If we find some product or manufacturer that didn't serve us well, we inform the membership and then move on.

My observation has been that when an individual is irrationally crusading against something or someone that is no real threat to them, they actually really, really, like the thing they are crusading against or they are simply jealous or envious of the individual they are crusading against.

Some examples that come to mind are religious leaders who crusade against sexual immorality and then are exposed as adulterers, **** mongers, and pedophiles. Then there are politicians who have gotten elected on a "clean up the corruption" crusade who later turned out to be on the mob's payroll.

In your case, I speculate that you purchased an SVS sub, abused the hell out of it, blew the driver and/or amp, and then sent it back to SVS for free repair or replacement. When your claim was denied based on obvious abuse, you then initiated this anti-SVS crusade or became a disciple in an pre-existing crusade.

Good luck with driving SVS out of business.

dorokusai wrote: »

Furball - You have been issued an infraction since you have been told to refrain from obvious brand bashing in another thread. If you continue, you will be removed from the forum until you can cool off.

Polkies - I would ask that since he has been officially warned, that the rest of you back off with the responses, as it simply exacerbates the situation. If he continues, it will work itself out.

Relax, go listen to some music.

Not trying to exacerbate. Just offering some perspective. I'm done here.

furball

For merely expressing my opinion of the poor sonic qualities of an SVS sub, I personally heard, I have been the target of repeated personal insults and slanders.

And I cannot speak out in defense of what I said? Look through all my postings, never for once have I hurled any personal insults against any other member on this forum.

If you want to invoke any infractions, you should invoke infractions against those forum members who have repeatedly engaged in personal attacks.

dorokusai wrote: »

Furball - You have been issued an infraction since you have been told to refrain from obvious brand bashing in another thread. If you continue, you will be removed from the forum until you can cool off.

Polkies - I would ask that since he has been officially warned, that the rest of you back off with the responses, as it simply exacerbates the situation. If he continues, it will work itself out.

Relax, go listen to some music.

dorokusai

I have a great idea...how about you participate in the rest of the forum? I'm sure that you have more than SVS hatred to discuss and expound upon right?

doggie750

Furball, we explained and we are done........Dude, respect the fact that this forum has valid facts that you might need to reconsider. You haven't been in this forum quite long enough to appreciate, so please do yourself a favor explore within and find out that Polkies WILL DO YOU NO HARM if you just listen, unlike my 2 year old son.:)

maxima

dbaldus wrote: »

You mean just knock the sub down a few dBs on the AVR while listening to music?

Also, would you recommend this strategy for SACDs/DTS CDs as well as regular 2 ch music, or just 2 ch music?

Sorry, I don't have the opportunity to visit this forum as often as I would like. Getting back on track to dbaldus' question. Yes, you would want to back off your calibration when listening to music. This is because most people tend to calibrate their subs a bit hot for HT use.

I just finished building a sub for a friend based on an Ascendant Audio Atlas 15. He uses it for HT and music. He has found that if he backs off his HT sub calibration about 6db, the sub blends beautifully for music. As always, YMMV.:D

Early B.

maxima wrote: »

I just finished building a sub for a friend based on an Ascendant Audio Atlas 15. He uses it for HT and music. He has found that if he backs off his HT sub calibration about 6db, the sub blends beautifully for music. As always, YMMV.:D

Yeah, that's a great driver. The folks at Epik designed and sold it a couple of years ago.

maxima

Hi Early,

I agree with you 100%. I wish Chad still sold drivers for DIY. There is definitely a void in this price range. What do you say we go into business!;)

jakelm

I would like to know what SVS did with all of the older model drivers they recieved for upgrades. Didnt the customers return them to SVS? I know a couple have sold outside the manufacture.

Ron Temple

jakelm wrote: »

I would like to know what SVS did with all of the older model drivers they recieved for upgrades. Didnt the customers return them to SVS? I know a couple have sold outside the manufacture.

Everybody kept their drivers and either sold them or used them.

jakelm

Ron Temple wrote: »

Everybody kept their drivers and either sold them or used them.

Did not know that, I thought SVS bought them back or discounted the new ones if returned the old ones.

polkseller

wallstreet wrote: »

All speakers have "stellar" online reviews. Keep looking and you'll find the "unstellar" review too. That's the beauty of the internet.

I like this quote, try to find one negative review on the internet on speakers and subwoofer.... Everybody that own a product will not review it bad for sure.

Anyway I trust Furball for its opinion, I almost ordered b&w speaker only based on the reviews and user comments. When I went to listen to them, I was shocked that they were not like people were describing them.

Polk subwoofer are very musical and delicate at the same time, but some people here like Big and powerful sub sound.

I dont know any sub that can be at the same time fast, accurate, airy, go down low and clean and clear

there is always compromise.

furball

Speaking of subwoofer reviews...

Every subwoofer ever made is supposed to have BOTH stellar and unstellar reviews on the net. It's when you ONLY find stellar reviews on the, then you start to suspect that there is something unwholesome about that particular sub.

VR3

My subs (and not just because I am selling them) are the only subs i know that can do 115db at 20hz... and at the same time be faster than lightning with tone.

They are great subs... alot of their abilities do that come from their design. They are sealed, push pull, with low compliance drivers.

They also tune the PR down to like 15hz and load it in a slot port, so its a really cool design.

VMPS makes fantastic subs.